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Aanlen

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Rip504 wrote...

If this does happen and DLC is required what about all of those ppl who do not connect to the net?
Will It also be on a free disc you can go pick up somewhere? Will they mail you a free disc? No It will cost money. Costing money= Nothing or Needing a profit return.

If they do this,I will be just as upset as I was with the original ending. It makes little to no sense to do this,and wait a month (Or longer) to release the true ending. It just doesn't compute...

I like the idea,but will not hold my breath. I highly doubt Bioware will be honest or gives us a definitive answer to our questions. You give them the benefit of the doubt, as where I only see epic failures either way.

DLC true ending that some of us will get and others will not? So only those of us who obtain your extra DLC get the true ending? Leaving fans alienated because they are broke and find this ploy as meaningless as your original endings?

I'm having trouble understanding why you think or why Bioware would plan something like this.
It's not the theory,it's the ploy,or deliverance and silence to the fans.

I have read the Twitter post... And will end my statement here.


Maybe its all already on the disk, you only have to unlock it? Using either a code or maybe they've got it time stamped. Who knows. Anything is better than what we got.

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I cant even listen to the ending song without getting goose bumps.

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BadlyBrowned wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

MordiMoro wrote...

snackynak wrote...

Bojac6 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Read this... whether is a lie or not... i smuch better than this bullcrap we got

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/62230265


READ


Definitely a lie, but it would have been cool, yes.  

You can tell it's a lie because there are no sources, the guy has really no way of knowing this is true, and he blames Kinect integration for time constraints, despite the fact that there was a working Kinect demo like a year ago.  

It's just some angry fanboy who was angry Kinect and now angry about the endings making stuff up.


Not entirely. There are unused audio files which indicate at least some of what he said was true.
Joker hidden dialouge


exactly! It brings together! Posted Image

Can someone post what he says? I'm not able to download the files.


1st one: "A little late to the party but the girls are coming home with me."

2nd one: "That was for Cortez!"



How does this change the plot?

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Empiro3 wrote...

Just a quick question for you folks: has anyone ever confirmed that the Mass Effect Twitter account is actually an official one, and not just one run by some fan (who is now trolling us)?


The Mass Effect account is a verified account, so it's proven to be real :)

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Elendstourist wrote...

I cant even listen to the ending song without getting goose bumps.

It depresses the hell out of me.

Despite the state of the ending, no one can lie and say that the soundtrack isn't fantastic.

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I asked 10 minutes ago what means 1m1...
masseffect hasn't respond yet....

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DvkZ2 wrote...

@masseffect I still want to believe you guys are sneaky trolls and have something going on you don't tell us yet. Can I get a cryptic reply?
Mass Effect Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect

Close

@whateverlulz The sun, it shines. http://ow.ly/9DAzx

Damn you Bioware... You're rasing my hopes up! o,o


That was... very much enjoyed. lol

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Rifneno wrote...

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People hating on the Indoctrination theory sound like this:

Before they finish ME3: "I bought ME1 I loved it. I bought ME2, I loved it. They both had such an amazing story and were so much fun to play. BW really knows how to make amazing characters and tell a wonderful story."

Finish ME3, see theory: "There's NO WAY BioWare could have fooled me with an amazing plot twist, they don't write good stories."



Absolutely love this, couldnt agree more

They write good stories. It make no sense.


QFT.  I'll never understand all the people writing it off as "Bioware's typical bad writing."  Then again, a lot of them blame it on EA too.  I'm not saying EA has never done anything wrong but half their critics are so totally blinded that hate that it's impossible to for them to even consider any reason for a problem other than "EA is the devil!"

You know what part of the incredibly bad writing this would be if these endings were real is most hilarious?  And oddly I almost never see brought up?  Shepard takes a direct hit from Harbinger's beam cannon.  A regular capital ship can take down a dreadnought in a few shots of that thing, and Shepard survives Harbinger's on foot?  There's absolutely no possible way.  None.  You might as well say he survived a thermonuclear blast.  Even a destroyer's beam cannon is INSTANT death for Shepard in every other instance.


Maybe Harbringer planned to only stun Shepard not kill considering in ME2: Arrival it had the opportunity to kill shepard but told the indoctrinated servants to keep him alive for his arrival.

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ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

BadlyBrowned wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

MordiMoro wrote...

snackynak wrote...

Bojac6 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Read this... whether is a lie or not... i smuch better than this bullcrap we got

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/62230265


READ


Definitely a lie, but it would have been cool, yes.  

You can tell it's a lie because there are no sources, the guy has really no way of knowing this is true, and he blames Kinect integration for time constraints, despite the fact that there was a working Kinect demo like a year ago.  

It's just some angry fanboy who was angry Kinect and now angry about the endings making stuff up.


Not entirely. There are unused audio files which indicate at least some of what he said was true.
Joker hidden dialouge


exactly! It brings together! Posted Image

Can someone post what he says? I'm not able to download the files.


1st one: "A little late to the party but the girls are coming home with me."

2nd one: "That was for Cortez!"



How does this change the plot?


Did you read the supposed plot ending in the link there? These snippets found in the game files show that the scene with Joker flying in are plausible. 

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ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

I cant even listen to the ending song without getting goose bumps.

It depresses the hell out of me.

Despite the state of the ending, no one can lie and say that the soundtrack isn't fantastic.


Indeed. its art.

But I still cant listen to that goddamn ending song. It makes me feel like crying.

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ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

I cant even listen to the ending song without getting goose bumps.

It depresses the hell out of me.

Despite the state of the ending, no one can lie and say that the soundtrack isn't fantastic.



Absolutely. At first, when I unboxed the CE and read about the Soundtrack including in the box I was like: "Well, I dont need that. There is no f*ckin METAL on it!". Now I am very happy to have it, since it is sooooooo good. The ending song alone is enough for me to want to own the soundtrack.

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Aanlen wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

I cant even listen to the ending song without getting goose bumps.

It depresses the hell out of me.

Despite the state of the ending, no one can lie and say that the soundtrack isn't fantastic.


Indeed. its art.

But I still cant listen to that goddamn ending song. It makes me feel like crying.

The ending song hit me very hard, becaise I knew since the relays exploded there was no more united galaxy, no more harmony, just seclusion. 

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JulienJaden wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Read this... whether is a lie or not... i smuch better than this bullcrap we got

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/62230265


READ



Read, people.

It may be a troll, but it definitely makes sense in the light of what we know from the script.

I guess Bioware could possibly be working on actually implementing this ending post-release to make up for what they had to do under the time pressure from EA. Or this is false and they are actually going with the indoctrination thing we're discussing. Either way, I think it can't be denied that everything Bioware employees actually said up until now was teasing and definitely hinting that they were working on something in the light of which our anger would quickly subside, on something that would satisfy us.


the reason why I know this bull. Why would your reputation matter to a Reaper. It makes no sense. i Second, harbringer in Arrival clearly talks about how Shepard would sacrifice systems to stop the Reapers. I do not think he would go with the bargaining thing. People were posting about this end before it was leak, and now this guy posts this information from a "friend."

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@ReclaimedHavoc "How does this change the plot?"
It doesn't, not the final end at least, but it does change the result to the final charge to the conduit. If your ems was high enough, Joker was supposed to blast harbinger before he blasts you.

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Aanlen wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

I cant even listen to the ending song without getting goose bumps.

It depresses the hell out of me.

Despite the state of the ending, no one can lie and say that the soundtrack isn't fantastic.


Indeed. its art.

But I still cant listen to that goddamn ending song. It makes me feel like crying.


QFT. The soundtrack is one of the most beautiful things I've ever listened to. The ME soundtracks have always moved me and never dissapointed.

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Sorry but the GameFAQs post...just no. No.

Not that it doesn't sound good. It does. But how would a reviewer know? A friend of a friend chain? Really? Everything here is stuff you could easily put together with what has been known. The Joker dialogue was out before this person posted.

Considering the ME1 ending concept involved dark energy, and all the work since in the first script points to the same ending, despite the rest of the game being fairly different, just doesn't seem to jar well. It just doesn't fit in how that was supposed to be an ending where what is known says otherwise. The only thing that could support it is the Joker dialogue, which again, could have just been used to formulate the fiction.

But how can really judge that? We're banking on a theoretical ending to be released after all.

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Aanlen wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

I cant even listen to the ending song without getting goose bumps.

It depresses the hell out of me.

Despite the state of the ending, no one can lie and say that the soundtrack isn't fantastic.


Indeed. its art.

But I still cant listen to that goddamn ending song. It makes me feel like crying.

About the same.

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Aanlen wrote...

Maybe its all already on the disk, you only have to unlock it? Using either a code or maybe they've got it time stamped. Who knows. Anything is better than what we got.


Agreed and great point about it being unlocked on the disc. That didn't cross my mind until just now.
Still It would ****** me off a little,but as long as the end made up for it... I would be happy.

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http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/62230265

Now those endings make sense a lot more. Though 90% of them still involves death of Shepard. I wonder what we'll gonna get in the end?

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Elendstourist wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

I cant even listen to the ending song without getting goose bumps.

It depresses the hell out of me.

Despite the state of the ending, no one can lie and say that the soundtrack isn't fantastic.



Absolutely. At first, when I unboxed the CE and read about the Soundtrack including in the box I was like: "Well, I dont need that. There is no f*ckin METAL on it!". Now I am very happy to have it, since it is sooooooo good. The ending song alone is enough for me to want to own the soundtrack.




This track is one I personally love, because it reminded me of the speech Wrex gave just before charging the reaper on Tuchanka

"From this day forward, the word 'Shepard' will mean HERO!"

I love wrex :wub:.

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I am all in on the indoctrination/hallucination theory. That being said, what are people against it using it to disprove it?

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The significance of 1m1?
http://1m1.ir/

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jspiess wrote...

I am all in on the indoctrination/hallucination theory. That being said, what are people against it using it to disprove it?


Usually "LOLOLOL that's stupid!!!"

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TomY90 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Dessalines wrote...

RobT2012 wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

People hating on the Indoctrination theory sound like this:

Before they finish ME3: "I bought ME1 I loved it. I bought ME2, I loved it. They both had such an amazing story and were so much fun to play. BW really knows how to make amazing characters and tell a wonderful story."

Finish ME3, see theory: "There's NO WAY BioWare could have fooled me with an amazing plot twist, they don't write good stories."



Absolutely love this, couldnt agree more

They write good stories. It make no sense.


QFT.  I'll never understand all the people writing it off as "Bioware's typical bad writing."  Then again, a lot of them blame it on EA too.  I'm not saying EA has never done anything wrong but half their critics are so totally blinded that hate that it's impossible to for them to even consider any reason for a problem other than "EA is the devil!"

You know what part of the incredibly bad writing this would be if these endings were real is most hilarious?  And oddly I almost never see brought up?  Shepard takes a direct hit from Harbinger's beam cannon.  A regular capital ship can take down a dreadnought in a few shots of that thing, and Shepard survives Harbinger's on foot?  There's absolutely no possible way.  None.  You might as well say he survived a thermonuclear blast.  Even a destroyer's beam cannon is INSTANT death for Shepard in every other instance.


Maybe Harbringer planned to only stun Shepard not kill considering in ME2: Arrival it had the opportunity to kill shepard but told the indoctrinated servants to keep him alive for his arrival.


Actually you never see Harbys beam hit shepard it all fades to white before it hits you (if it does) we dont know, all we know is he was knocked out and assumed dead by everyone on the ground. That's what we know for fact.

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Rip504 wrote...

Aanlen wrote...

Maybe its all already on the disk, you only have to unlock it? Using either a code or maybe they've got it time stamped. Who knows. Anything is better than what we got.


Agreed and great point about it being unlocked on the disc. That didn't cross my mind until just now.
Still It would ****** me off a little,but as long as the end made up for it... I would be happy.


If it's time stamped, unplug your xbox from the internet and change the date to next year...

Turn on with ME3 in for great justice?