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Killer3000ad wrote...

Has it been mentioned that Shep's face looks like a husk in the brief moments before disappearing in the Control option?

It has, the main arguments against it are that his eyes glow red when you are renegade, or that he's just burning, But I've only seen husks and Saren have glowing blue eyes.

[Reptilian Rob]

2_BR4ZIL_2 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Aanlen wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

I cant even listen to the ending song without getting goose bumps.

It depresses the hell out of me.

Despite the state of the ending, no one can lie and say that the soundtrack isn't fantastic.

Indeed. its art.

But I still cant listen to that goddamn ending song. It makes me feel like crying.

The ending song hit me very hard, becaise I knew since the relays exploded there was no more united galaxy, no more harmony, just seclusion. 

Which begs the question to why is anything alive if the mass relays exploded? i mean, the one in the Arrival DLC took out the entire sistem, so if all mass relays exploded then everything would destroyed, including earth and everyone fighting in the Sol sistem.

Mass Effect 3 ended on a BAD note, not even a sour one, a BAD one. Everything I worked so hard for, the relationships, the preservation of everything anyone held dear, for nothing.

I didn't unite anything in the end, I just tore everything apart. 

[JulienJaden]

Dessalines wrote...

JulienJaden wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Read this... whether is a lie or not... i smuch better than this bullcrap we got

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/62230265


READ

Read, people.

It may be a troll, but it definitely makes sense in the light of what we know from the script.

I guess Bioware could possibly be working on actually implementing this ending post-release to make up for what they had to do under the time pressure from EA. Or this is false and they are actually going with the indoctrination thing we're discussing. Either way, I think it can't be denied that everything Bioware employees actually said up until now was teasing and definitely hinting that they were working on something in the light of which our anger would quickly subside, on something that would satisfy us.

the reason why I know this bull. Why would your reputation matter to a Reaper. It makes no sense. i Second, harbringer in Arrival clearly talks about how Shepard would sacrifice systems to stop the Reapers. I do not think he would go with the bargaining thing. People were posting about this end before it was leak, and now this guy posts this information from a "friend."

I'm sorry, I wanted to write "most of it definitely makes sense in the light of what we know" and then forgot about it.

Yes, there's things that seem off, yet I wouldn't dismiss all of it outright.
And I still firmly believe that, at least as far as us being elated about twitter posts by Bioware employees and speculations about them working on an alternative go, we are onto something, without the shadow of a doubt. Either they didn't want to include the ending until it goes global or they were under pressure by EA to ship as early as possible and couldn't do the ending properly, so they put in a placeholder ending with some elements already as they're supposed to be and will patch it rather soon.

I base this on them pretty much saying that we should hold on to our copies and savefiles and stay tuned because we still don't know everything. That's a pretty clear message to me.

[Debi-Tage]

BadlyBrowned wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

I just noticed on the back of th N7 CE insert there in image covering the whole thing showing someone with Shep armor on pulling an unclothed hand out of rubble...

/checks CE edition

Interesting.....nice find. Dunno if it means anything though lol

haha - first good find i've made if so

[eoinnx03]

Everyone please read this open letter taken from another thread, its brilliant!

(This is an open letter in so far as it can be posted anywhere and under any pretenses. This has been designed to create a level headed communication between fans, artists and everyone in between.)

I've been thinking silently for the last few days, thinking about what I perceive to be a legitamate sociological phenomenon. For the first time in my memory a distinct mobilization of gamers have set forth and demanded answers about something that is either being generally misunderstood or being criticized for an apparent lack of effort. I've summed up the general consensus' of Mass Effect 3's ending's.

1. Acceptance- This group has accepted the ending as is, and at this time is the vocal minority.

2. Befuddlement- This group denies any rational plausibility that the current endings are in anyway realistic and have come up with their own theories as to what really happened (Great job on the indoctrination theory guys and gals.)

3. Emotional Devastation- This group consists of people who are legitmatly hurt, confused and frustrated by the lack of intellectual and emotional pay offs. I consider myself to be a part of this group.

All these groups have every right to exist, as opinion is the greatest strength of art.

The Key Issues: Artistry, Verisimilitude and Economic Ramifications.

1. The key concept of art.

Art is first and foremost an expression of the artist and it is wholly up to them how their product is finished. Input can certainly play a part but severe interference is not necessary. No one had the right to tell da Vinci that the Mona Lisa needed to smile or that Michaelangelo needed to put pants on David. Those were not the public's choice to make. However the staggering amount of backlash has put the entire gaming world into the public eye. Is it ethical to demand changes because we find it to be offense? I certainly would never put pants on David, simply because Michaelangelo sculpted his statue that way.

2. Verisimilitude

Truth, I believe is an objective in art and something that everyone should stive for regardless of their genre of output. I consider myself a film student before a gamer and am personally no stranger to artistic scientific expression. I count 2001: A Space Odyssey, The Man Who Fell to Earth and the two Andrei Tarkovsky films Solaris (the original) and Stalker to be the some of the greatest examples of contemplative sciene fiction the art medium has ever seen. These films derive strength from open-endedness and intepretation rather than direct emotional responses (sometimes the emotional payoff comes from the interpretation). I will readily accept these as fact if Bioware will confirm this was their original intention.

In contrast however, I cannot dismiss the overall structure of Mass Effect's very nature. The game by it's very nature feels film-like to me ( cut scenes mimic the hand-held camera effect sometimes and film grain is soooo much nerdy fun). This type of film-making compliments realism and gives the impression that we are "in the moment". A great example of this are the opening twenty minutes or so of Saving Private Ryan.

Everything leading up to the finale suggests a type of hardcore realism ( the descriptions in the codex give credibility to the science!) and quite literally takes a type of Kafka-esque ( or David Lynchian for those familiar with film)180 to something entirely different. This type of expression while certainly an exciting and clever genre has a tendency to alienate people who are not familiar with it. The entire events surrounding the "Indoctrination" Theory give credit to this idea seeing as these are often discussion topics that come up when discussion a film like Mulholland Drive or a novel like The Trial. This shift is quite alarming to some people including myself but not altogether unpleasent.

This distinct 180 has left more unanswered questions than anything I've ever seen before in the gaming medium, some directly contradicting canon logic and sometimes even common sense. (Garrus was with me during the run to the beam but somehow ended up on the Normandy.) This lack of finite structure cripples the game in many ways, simply because we do not know what the intention was. If Bioware's intent was to be artistic, I really wish they would say so.

3. Economic Ramifications

The economic ramifications to the endings are abundantly clear. The game has dropped in price by as much as fifteen dollars. For something as hot and becoming as Mass Effect this comes as a distinct suprise. I will not comment on personal motivations by any company or producer as I feel it would be incredibly inappropriate to do so without all the facts.

Looking forward: The Sound of Silence and Re-taking Mass Effect

The Sound of Silence

I find the amount of silence from developers to me a mixed message, as if they don't know what to do or are secretly planning something to wow us. Occam's Razor however suggests otherwise. I really think that the key issue here is the lack of communication, silence is not comforting to people in this situation and the further lack of communication can only make things worse for everyone involved. People like myself want to know intention of expression for a cleared state of mind.


Re-taking Mass Effect

This campaign should prove to anyone involved that Bioware has some of the greatest fans in the history of gaming. People are literally so involved with your series that they want to make it into their own form of expression. This contradicts my earlier statement about artistic integrity but one cannot dismiss the outpouring of fan responses. This is an unprecedented event in gaming history. At this time the Re-take Mass Effect campaign has over twenty thousand likers on Facebook. Can anyone imagine twenty thousand people? Truly picture it in your head!

If you've read this far ( I talk too much I know), I thank you personally and would like to hear feedback from everyone (devolpers as well if at all possible!). I would also not mind this being shared as I consider this to be a summation of what everyone (hopefully) wants.

In regards to the topic spreading, Peter Gabriel said it best-

You can blow out a candle
But you can't blow out a fire
Once the flames begin to catch
The wind will blow it higher.

[Elendstourist]

netarchy wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

snackynak wrote...

@ReclaimedHavoc "How does this change the plot?"
It doesn't, not the final end at least, but it does change the result to the final charge to the conduit. If your ems was high enough, Joker was supposed to blast harbinger before he blasts you.

Ugh.

Also, how do I get the Soundtrack from my CE? I want it on my iPod.

Download it via Origin. Go to game folder -> Bonus. There is a folder named "Soundtrack". Thats where I found the MP3s.

They're in WAV, not Mp3, but otherwise correct.
I'm quite happy they didn't compress to Mp3 as well.

Indeed, you are right. Sorry.

[ToSatellite]

I'm not sure if it was stated yet, and i'm not going to dig around for 300ish pages, but think about it, if the crucible destroyed the mass relays as well as the reapers, doesn't that mean that the sol system would've blown up since the destruction of mass relays result in a super-nova like explosion?
Meaning if this part wasn't inoctrination/a hallucination, Earth would've been destroyed, meaning shepard couldn't have woken up in London.

[lookingglassmind]

eoinnx03 wrote...

Everyone please read this open letter taken from another thread, its brilliant!

(This is an open letter in so far as it can be posted anywhere and under any pretenses. This has been designed to create a level headed communication between fans, artists and everyone in between.)

I've been thinking silently for the last few days, thinking about what I perceive to be a legitamate sociological phenomenon. For the first time in my memory a distinct mobilization of gamers have set forth and demanded answers about something that is either being generally misunderstood or being criticized for an apparent lack of effort. I've summed up the general consensus' of Mass Effect 3's ending's.

1. Acceptance- This group has accepted the ending as is, and at this time is the vocal minority.

2. Befuddlement- This group denies any rational plausibility that the current endings are in anyway realistic and have come up with their own theories as to what really happened (Great job on the indoctrination theory guys and gals.)

3. Emotional Devastation- This group consists of people who are legitmatly hurt, confused and frustrated by the lack of intellectual and emotional pay offs. I consider myself to be a part of this group.

All these groups have every right to exist, as opinion is the greatest strength of art.

The Key Issues: Artistry, Verisimilitude and Economic Ramifications.

1. The key concept of art.

Art is first and foremost an expression of the artist and it is wholly up to them how their product is finished. Input can certainly play a part but severe interference is not necessary. No one had the right to tell da Vinci that the Mona Lisa needed to smile or that Michaelangelo needed to put pants on David. Those were not the public's choice to make. However the staggering amount of backlash has put the entire gaming world into the public eye. Is it ethical to demand changes because we find it to be offense? I certainly would never put pants on David, simply because Michaelangelo sculpted his statue that way.

2. Verisimilitude

Truth, I believe is an objective in art and something that everyone should stive for regardless of their genre of output. I consider myself a film student before a gamer and am personally no stranger to artistic scientific expression. I count 2001: A Space Odyssey, The Man Who Fell to Earth and the two Andrei Tarkovsky films Solaris (the original) and Stalker to be the some of the greatest examples of contemplative sciene fiction the art medium has ever seen. These films derive strength from open-endedness and intepretation rather than direct emotional responses (sometimes the emotional payoff comes from the interpretation). I will readily accept these as fact if Bioware will confirm this was their original intention.

In contrast however, I cannot dismiss the overall structure of Mass Effect's very nature. The game by it's very nature feels film-like to me ( cut scenes mimic the hand-held camera effect sometimes and film grain is soooo much nerdy fun). This type of film-making compliments realism and gives the impression that we are "in the moment". A great example of this are the opening twenty minutes or so of Saving Private Ryan.

Everything leading up to the finale suggests a type of hardcore realism ( the descriptions in the codex give credibility to the science!) and quite literally takes a type of Kafka-esque ( or David Lynchian for those familiar with film)180 to something entirely different. This type of expression while certainly an exciting and clever genre has a tendency to alienate people who are not familiar with it. The entire events surrounding the "Indoctrination" Theory give credit to this idea seeing as these are often discussion topics that come up when discussion a film like Mulholland Drive or a novel like The Trial. This shift is quite alarming to some people including myself but not altogether unpleasent.

This distinct 180 has left more unanswered questions than anything I've ever seen before in the gaming medium, some directly contradicting canon logic and sometimes even common sense. (Garrus was with me during the run to the beam but somehow ended up on the Normandy.) This lack of finite structure cripples the game in many ways, simply because we do not know what the intention was. If Bioware's intent was to be artistic, I really wish they would say so.

3. Economic Ramifications

The economic ramifications to the endings are abundantly clear. The game has dropped in price by as much as fifteen dollars. For something as hot and becoming as Mass Effect this comes as a distinct suprise. I will not comment on personal motivations by any company or producer as I feel it would be incredibly inappropriate to do so without all the facts.

Looking forward: The Sound of Silence and Re-taking Mass Effect

The Sound of Silence

I find the amount of silence from developers to me a mixed message, as if they don't know what to do or are secretly planning something to wow us. Occam's Razor however suggests otherwise. I really think that the key issue here is the lack of communication, silence is not comforting to people in this situation and the further lack of communication can only make things worse for everyone involved. People like myself want to know intention of expression for a cleared state of mind.


Re-taking Mass Effect

This campaign should prove to anyone involved that Bioware has some of the greatest fans in the history of gaming. People are literally so involved with your series that they want to make it into their own form of expression. This contradicts my earlier statement about artistic integrity but one cannot dismiss the outpouring of fan responses. This is an unprecedented event in gaming history. At this time the Re-take Mass Effect campaign has over twenty thousand likers on Facebook. Can anyone imagine twenty thousand people? Truly picture it in your head!

If you've read this far ( I talk too much I know), I thank you personally and would like to hear feedback from everyone (devolpers as well if at all possible!). I would also not mind this being shared as I consider this to be a summation of what everyone (hopefully) wants.

In regards to the topic spreading, Peter Gabriel said it best-

You can blow out a candle
But you can't blow out a fire
Once the flames begin to catch
The wind will blow it higher.

Although I disagree with some points, the theory underlining them is of high importance.

[Jackalope]

Okay, so I was replaying the ending last night, and I think I saw something...odd.

It happened after the conversation with Blinky the Space Kid, and the two sides appear and the beam in the center appears. I start moving my Shepard forward, but for some reason I was leaning the camera towards the right. Waaaaaaaaay off in the distance towards the right side looking slightly downward, I swear I saw one of those colored boxes you use to interact with a door.

The thing is, I dropped my control and tried to make it appear again, and I couldn't. I'm only like 60% sure I saw something. If anyone is replaying that scene, could they bank right and see if they replicate it? You know, for science.

If it's not really there, I need to lay off the Southern Comfort and cranberry juice.

[seitani]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

jspiess wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Aanlen wrote...

Maybe its all already on the disk, you only have to unlock it? Using either a code or maybe they've got it time stamped. Who knows. Anything is better than what we got.

Agreed and great point about it being unlocked on the disc. That didn't cross my mind until just now.
Still It would ****** me off a little,but as long as the end made up for it... I would be happy.

15th is japan release which i think is last where game is not yet released
I thought the same thing since they are waiting on their official statement. When does the game get released everywhere?

Tomorrow I think.

[Teh Tux]

I believe this theory 100%.
A company famed for the best writing in the industry just simply would not let this get released if it was the final state.
Now all we can really do is wait until Bioware gives us a proper response. I guess they still are under 'No Disclosure'. No other reason as to why they would be silent for more than a week.

[ReclaimedHavoc]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Thermorium wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

Rest of the releases? What does that mean? The game is already out. No developer in their right mind would put a fake ending on their game just to release a real one at an undisclosed later date.

It´s supposed to come out in japan/asia on the 15th of march, so it's not released everywhere yet.

But why would they include a fake ending just to make the VAST majority of players wait to download a real ending? The entire idea is dumb.

Yeah, it's dumb, but all the evidence points that they're are going to release an ending. For what reason? I don't know.

[ArkkAngel007]

Debi-Tage wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/62230265

Now those endings make sense a lot more. Though 90% of them still involves death of Shepard. I wonder what we'll gonna get in the end?

Read second post about the 4 endings:

"The destroy ending does destroy the relays, but its implied that with
all the races on earth, they, together, will restore what they lost and
will attempt to work together. if shepard lives, your LI leading your
squad, will be looking for you. You are beamed back down to earth (its
assumed shepard was somehow blasted into the beam? this is the only
questionable part). It ends with shepard's hand coming out of the rubble
and breathing. Still a cliffhanger of sorts, but you can assume they
will find him/her obviously."

I just noticed on the back of th N7 CE insert there in image covering the whole thing showing someone with Shep armor on pulling an unclothed hand out of rubble...

Haha, asked that a little bit ago actually.  Will see if they respond...

Still think the post is BS though.  Most I got out of a developer was that Black Ops would take place in Vietnam, as they were involved in level design on contract.  That was a minor piece.  For a BioWare employee to spill the beans to some random reviewer, who blabs to some random person, is really unlikely.

[savionen]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Thermorium wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

Rest of the releases? What does that mean? The game is already out. No developer in their right mind would put a fake ending on their game just to release a real one at an undisclosed later date.

It´s supposed to come out in japan/asia on the 15th of march, so it's not released everywhere yet.

But why would they include a fake ending just to make the VAST majority of players wait to download a real ending? The entire idea is dumb.

The current ending is the real ending until the real ending comes out.

They could be wrapping it up in a DLC. They could be adding a half-game expansion. The story might just be wrapped up in Mass Effect 4, etc.

[Rip504]

The game tells you there will be DLC. So do the devs,it doesn't mean it is ending dlc,just dlc.

Maybe they think an epic fight on Omega will turn our heads...

[2_BR4ZIL_2]

ToSatellite wrote...

I'm not sure if it was stated yet, and i'm not going to dig around for 300ish pages, but think about it, if the crucible destroyed the mass relays as well as the reapers, doesn't that mean that the sol system would've blown up since the destruction of mass relays result in a super-nova like explosion?
Meaning if this part wasn't inoctrination/a hallucination, Earth would've been destroyed, meaning shepard couldn't have woken up in London.

Yeah... which would mean that the Destroy ending is just that... Destroy the reapers and EVERYTHING else (maybe sparing only some far off colonies that wouldnt survive on its own), since all the major planets are in a Mass Relay sistem.

[byne]

Rip504 wrote...

The game tells you there will be DLC. So do the devs,it doesn't mean it is ending dlc,just dlc.

Maybe they think an epic fight on Omega will turn our heads...

Why would I (or anyone else) pay money for a DLC to retake Omega, when in the end, it will just be cut off from the galaxy like every other system?

[AM94]

Killer3000ad wrote...

Has it been mentioned that Shep's face looks like a husk in the brief moments before disappearing in the Control option?

i did mention that once, it also looks that way when you choose Synthesis, some people claim its just his skin burning but even if that is true it might shed off his skin, exposing Reaper tech possibly used to rebuild him during ME2

[theratking]

Dont know if anyones noticed this, but after waking up from harbingers beam, if you use the kinect to use an ability as a biotic singularity has a white center instead of black. Not sure what that means if anything just thought it ws curious. This indoctrination idea is fascinating. 

[Descedent]

GBGriffin wrote...

BadlyBrowned wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

I just noticed on the back of th N7 CE insert there in image covering the whole thing showing someone with Shep armor on pulling an unclothed hand out of rubble...

/checks CE edition

Interesting.....nice find. Dunno if it means anything though lol

Hahaha, I checked mine too

HMM obvious it's final battle 

[TobiTobsen]

2_BR4ZIL_2 wrote...

ToSatellite wrote...

I'm not sure if it was stated yet, and i'm not going to dig around for 300ish pages, but think about it, if the crucible destroyed the mass relays as well as the reapers, doesn't that mean that the sol system would've blown up since the destruction of mass relays result in a super-nova like explosion?
Meaning if this part wasn't inoctrination/a hallucination, Earth would've been destroyed, meaning shepard couldn't have woken up in London.

Yeah... which would mean that the Destroy ending is just that... Destroy the reapers and EVERYTHING else (maybe sparing only some far off colonies that wouldnt survive on its own), since all the major planets are in a Mass Relay sistem.

It actually looked as if the the relays just were breaking down with some small explosions. Not the enormous super nova explosion from the Alpha Relay.

[Niemack Saarinen]

I'd like to state that you cant delete the "Restart London" Mission, and once you get to the citadel beam that overtakes it and "Restart London" save is removed and replaced with "Restart Citadel" and again- you cant delete it. Why force a save you cant delete? (I double checked with ME2 i don't think i ever had a "restart suicide run" and i can save throughout the mission and even delete them.

[iwillkillfortali]

To the people that are B***hing about the other endings.
Mass Effect is about choices and each choice can lead to you or any other person dieing.