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Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory


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frajerik

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theratking wrote...

just going to say this again in case it was lost

Dont know if anyones noticed this, but after waking up from harbingers beam, if you use the kinect to use an ability as a biotic singularity has a white center instead of black. Not sure what that means if anything just thought it was curious. It struck me as very odd.


Wha...? So the ending is really better with kinect?

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Irishkev wrote...

The reason I think the ending is not finished besdies the fact it makes no sense at this point Are as follows:

1. you can't save the game at all in the earth mission why? only autosave
2. Once you finish the earth mission the Mission gets reset and your auto save is overwritten with you back on your ship before you attack cerburus.
3.I have played every bioware game since it came out and I am sure no matter what if you died or lived in the game since DLC has been out it didn't reset the main mission to before you died.

these 3 things granted all to do with saves but all at the end tell me they want to add something to the ending what I don't know. Maybe they ran out of time maybe it's a hoax or maybe its just a dam bug


I was able to make a save during the earth final battle.

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Reptilian Rob wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

ok everybody I don't think this is the thread to b**ch about how bad the endings are. go to another thread. This one is about the ending being an indoctrination attempt by Harbinger and the evidence that supports it, or the evidence that does not.

****ty ending is evidence enough that this is not going to end as expected, I know what BW was going for and they failed. 


go somewhere else. this is a great thread, very interesting.  you not adding anything to it.

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Lili_oups wrote...

And i bet the "breath" scene is right after shepard took harbinger beams...not after the citadel explosion

That makes absolutely no sense. The BREATH ending he or she is covered in rubble too. I don't remember pushing pieces of concrete off myself before the conduit walk.

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iwillkillfortali wrote...

Irishkev wrote...

The reason I think the ending is not finished besdies the fact it makes no sense at this point Are as follows:

1. you can't save the game at all in the earth mission why? only autosave
2. Once you finish the earth mission the Mission gets reset and your auto save is overwritten with you back on your ship before you attack cerburus.
3.I have played every bioware game since it came out and I am sure no matter what if you died or lived in the game since DLC has been out it didn't reset the main mission to before you died.

these 3 things granted all to do with saves but all at the end tell me they want to add something to the ending what I don't know. Maybe they ran out of time maybe it's a hoax or maybe its just a dam bug


I was able to make a save during the earth final battle.


I think I did too. But it wasn't there  once it reset me back on before I attacked Cerberus.

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Reptilian Rob wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

ok everybody I don't think this is the thread to b**ch about how bad the endings are. go to another thread. This one is about the ending being an indoctrination attempt by Harbinger and the evidence that supports it, or the evidence that does not.

****ty ending is evidence enough that this is not going to end as expected, I know what BW was going for and they failed. 


 Care to enlighten us?

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iwillkillfortali

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De1ta G wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

Irishkev wrote...

The reason I think the ending is not finished besdies the fact it makes no sense at this point Are as follows:

1. you can't save the game at all in the earth mission why? only autosave
2. Once you finish the earth mission the Mission gets reset and your auto save is overwritten with you back on your ship before you attack cerburus.
3.I have played every bioware game since it came out and I am sure no matter what if you died or lived in the game since DLC has been out it didn't reset the main mission to before you died.

these 3 things granted all to do with saves but all at the end tell me they want to add something to the ending what I don't know. Maybe they ran out of time maybe it's a hoax or maybe its just a dam bug


I was able to make a save during the earth final battle.


I think I did too. But it wasn't there  once it reset me back on before I attacked Cerberus.


I think it was in that garage.:sick:

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Reptilian Rob

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Prince Keldar wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

ok everybody I don't think this is the thread to b**ch about how bad the endings are. go to another thread. This one is about the ending being an indoctrination attempt by Harbinger and the evidence that supports it, or the evidence that does not.

****ty ending is evidence enough that this is not going to end as expected, I know what BW was going for and they failed. 


go somewhere else. this is a great thread, very interesting.  you not adding anything to it.

Look at my previous posts, where I lay out solid evidence against this theory. 

Calm down captain forum cop. 

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byne wrote...

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The game tells you there will be DLC. So do the devs,it doesn't mean it is ending dlc,just dlc.

Maybe they think an epic fight on Omega will turn our heads...


Why would I (or anyone else) pay money for a DLC to retake Omega, when in the end, it will just be cut off from the galaxy like every other system?


lol, don't worry, taking back omega will be a dream after you get drunk on the citadel and you'll wake up next to aria.
:P

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Prince Keldar wrote...

ok everybody I don't think this is the thread to b**ch about how bad the endings are. go to another thread. This one is about the ending being an indoctrination attempt by Harbinger and the evidence that supports it, or the evidence that does not.


:whistle: But that isn't as fun.

Seriously though, the point of this thread is the theory that this may really all be the process of indoctrination (really, it began as just some hallucination/dream theory, but indoctrination fit the bill).  There are dozens of threads about how terrible the endings are and what not.  Take it there.  

Same with all the alternate endings being provided by "sources" and fan fiction from the users on what would be a better ending.  There are threads for that; this is not one of them.

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manjikengo wrote...

Lili_oups wrote...

And i bet the "breath" scene is right after shepard took harbinger beams...not after the citadel explosion

That makes absolutely no sense. The BREATH ending he or she is covered in rubble too. I don't remember pushing pieces of concrete off myself before the conduit walk.


That's because it's an hallucination 

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manjikengo wrote...

Lili_oups wrote...

And i bet the "breath" scene is right after shepard took harbinger beams...not after the citadel explosion

That makes absolutely no sense. The BREATH ending he or she is covered in rubble too. I don't remember pushing pieces of concrete off myself before the conduit walk.


... It makes perfect sense the indoctrination theory in that the whole citadel bit *never actually happened* at all.

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Prince Keldar

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manjikengo wrote...

Lili_oups wrote...

And i bet the "breath" scene is right after shepard took harbinger beams...not after the citadel explosion

That makes absolutely no sense. The BREATH ending he or she is covered in rubble too. I don't remember pushing pieces of concrete off myself before the conduit walk.


When everything goes white and then you get up injured.  That is hallucination due to Harbinger's attempt at indoctrination.  Shepard never actually got up.  or so goes the theory.

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Reptilian Rob wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

ok everybody I don't think this is the thread to b**ch about how bad the endings are. go to another thread. This one is about the ending being an indoctrination attempt by Harbinger and the evidence that supports it, or the evidence that does not.

****ty ending is evidence enough that this is not going to end as expected, I know what BW was going for and they failed. 


go somewhere else. this is a great thread, very interesting.  you not adding anything to it.

Look at my previous posts, where I lay out solid evidence against this theory. 

Calm down captain forum cop. 


dude we get it you don't like this theory. now man up and leave the thread alone.

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Elenterx wrote...

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go on....

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2_BR4ZIL_2 wrote...

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I just noticed on the back of th N7 CE insert there in image covering the whole thing showing someone with Shep armor on pulling an unclothed hand out of rubble...


/checks CE edition

Interesting.....nice find. Dunno if it means anything though lol


Hahaha, I checked mine too :D


HMM obvious it's final battle 

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Looks like Mr. James Vega finnaly got his N7 armor and is pulling Shep out of that mess :)


IMO, this is after the indocrination/hallucination ending, with the Shepard from the dream sequences pulling the real Shep back up; as if to say, "You've broken the control they had on you, now finish it!!!"

:D

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frajerik wrote...

theratking wrote...

just going to say this again in case it was lost

Dont know if anyones noticed this, but after waking up from harbingers beam, if you use the kinect to use an ability as a biotic singularity has a white center instead of black. Not sure what that means if anything just thought it was curious. It struck me as very odd.


Wha...? So the ending is really better with kinect?


well honestly i think the whole game was better with the kinect, but yea idk, why change the color of the singularity?

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i just hate how irrelevant the ending is. I'm now playing second time and i could not care less about the Aria's merc fleet or batarian fleet or salarian fleet or any the other war assets etc. because there is so minor difference in the ending (i have three different beams to choose from horrah). Shep could just say to Hackett that he can shove the crucible where sun doesn't shine and let the reapers wipe every advanced race away. He would even save the mass relays in the process.

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Why the endings were incomplete/rushed (From a Graphical View):

-One thing I noticed was the graphics from parts of the Citadel. One notable one was when Shepard is being raised. The light is four transparent textures added with a glow shader.
-Platform itself was transparent. Messy work?
-Textures were blockier than the rest of the game. Not as polished and refined.
-If you walk TOWARDS Earth (and away from the Synthesis choice), you will enter a hall of mirrors. The polygons will reflect forever.

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Everybody take a moment to laugh at the one who was once known as Sl4sh3r.
LoL

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mr.surv wrote...

Elenterx wrote...

http://oi44.tinypic.com/2jtjkl.jpg
http://oi41.tinypic.com/20aqdcm.jpg

go on....


I don't have a scanner, but it's a painting of Shepard walking through that corrider in the Citadel after teleporting inside, and Andersen is walking right behind Shepard. 

Edit: Well, we only see their backs. However, Shpeard is clearly the one with the armor, and the figure behind him has one what looks like an admirals outfit. 

Modifié par BadlyBrowned, 13 mars 2012 - 11:17 .


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I really hope that this is true and we get a dlc. I will pay for it just to have a brighter ending.

Has anyone actually thought that Bioware did these endings with purpose. I mean that they might want to see how people will react, then make a better ending. Atleast, that is what i think.

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Does anyone know of any signature pics that DON`T demand a better ending to Mass Effect, and that support it?

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UKHaz wrote...

2_BR4ZIL_2 wrote...

Descedent wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

BadlyBrowned wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

I just noticed on the back of th N7 CE insert there in image covering the whole thing showing someone with Shep armor on pulling an unclothed hand out of rubble...


/checks CE edition

Interesting.....nice find. Dunno if it means anything though lol


Hahaha, I checked mine too :D


HMM obvious it's final battle 

Posted Image


Looks like Mr. James Vega finnaly got his N7 armor and is pulling Shep out of that mess :)


IMO, this is after the indocrination/hallucination ending, with the Shepard from the dream sequences pulling the real Shep back up; as if to say, "You've broken the control they had on you, now finish it!!!"

:D


well it definately has to be after, it appears that the sun is coming through in the picture.  That picture isn't represented anywhere in the game, it has to mean something...ie: the rest of the game... he ain't dead!

Modifié par Descedent, 13 mars 2012 - 11:17 .