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[Stephanid98]

Something small I noticed last night about fuel - I traveled to the cerberus base, decided to say I wasn't yet ready for the 'final assault' and went back to explore, visited the Citadel again, making sure I didn't miss anything. Went back into space, thought "Crap, I better fuel up!" but turns out my fuel was reset back to full capacity, as if I'd never traveled there in the first place. Not sure if it means anything but just thought I'd mention it.

[BubbleDncr]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

Irishkev wrote...

The reason I think the ending is not finished besdies the fact it makes no sense at this point Are as follows:

1. you can't save the game at all in the earth mission why? only autosave
2. Once you finish the earth mission the Mission gets reset and your auto save is overwritten with you back on your ship before you attack cerburus.
3.I have played every bioware game since it came out and I am sure no matter what if you died or lived in the game since DLC has been out it didn't reset the main mission to before you died.

these 3 things granted all to do with saves but all at the end tell me they want to add something to the ending what I don't know. Maybe they ran out of time maybe it's a hoax or maybe its just a dam bug

I was able to make a save during the earth final battle.

I was unable to save - I tried, because I wanted to be able to easily have my goodby conversations over and over again.

I assumed that it meant they were gonna come out with dlc that can only take place before the final mission, and that it would give you bonuses to your effective military strength - thus, they're giving you the option to try and get a better ending after dlc comes out? not that there is a better ending.

[Icinix]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

Irishkev wrote...

The reason I think the ending is not finished besdies the fact it makes no sense at this point Are as follows:

1. you can't save the game at all in the earth mission why? only autosave
2. Once you finish the earth mission the Mission gets reset and your auto save is overwritten with you back on your ship before you attack cerburus.
3.I have played every bioware game since it came out and I am sure no matter what if you died or lived in the game since DLC has been out it didn't reset the main mission to before you died.

these 3 things granted all to do with saves but all at the end tell me they want to add something to the ending what I don't know. Maybe they ran out of time maybe it's a hoax or maybe its just a dam bug

I was able to make a save during the earth final battle.

You get one unqiue save just before you walk into the conduit. You can't make a save yourself anywhere from that point on.

The only way to 'save' a copy of the auto save before you make your choice is to Alt+Tab out and copy the autosave out of the directory.

Modifié par Icinix, 13 mars 2012 - 11:17 .

[Sl4sh3r]

Rip504 wrote...

Everybody take a moment to laugh at the one who was once known as Sl4sh3r.
LoL

Care to enlighten me?

[balance5050]

UKHaz wrote...

2_BR4ZIL_2 wrote...

Descedent wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

BadlyBrowned wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

I just noticed on the back of th N7 CE insert there in image covering the whole thing showing someone with Shep armor on pulling an unclothed hand out of rubble...

/checks CE edition

Interesting.....nice find. Dunno if it means anything though lol

Hahaha, I checked mine too

HMM obvious it's final battle 

Looks like Mr. James Vega finnaly got his N7 armor and is pulling Shep out of that mess

IMO, this is after the indocrination/hallucination ending, with the Shepard from the dream sequences pulling the real Shep back up; as if to say, "You've broken the control they had on you, now finish it!!!"

OMFG SO EPIC, I just hate them for making me wait.

[manjikengo]

netarchy wrote...

manjikengo wrote...

Lili_oups wrote...

And i bet the "breath" scene is right after shepard took harbinger beams...not after the citadel explosion

That makes absolutely no sense. The BREATH ending he or she is covered in rubble too. I don't remember pushing pieces of concrete off myself before the conduit walk.

... It makes perfect sense the indoctrination theory in that the whole citadel bit *never actually happened* at all.

10/10.  Either way, the indoctrination STARTS when shepard is knocked out by harbingers laserblast. It ENDS once you see the normandy crew leaving the ship. the breath ending takes place after the normandy crew walks onto the island in lost.

[FrostByte-GER]

Elenterx wrote...

http://oi44.tinypic.com/2jtjkl.jpg
http://oi41.tinypic.com/20aqdcm.jpg

hmmm...The description means that Shepard walks over the dead bodies from Cerberus. But there were no dead bodies from Cerberus on the floor....

My english skills are limited. I'm not sure if this dead corpes text was real or only a concept that has been deleted and replaced with the actual ending?

[Reptilian Rob]

cyric085 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

ok everybody I don't think this is the thread to b**ch about how bad the endings are. go to another thread. This one is about the ending being an indoctrination attempt by Harbinger and the evidence that supports it, or the evidence that does not.

****ty ending is evidence enough that this is not going to end as expected, I know what BW was going for and they failed. 

go somewhere else. this is a great thread, very interesting.  you not adding anything to it.

Look at my previous posts, where I lay out solid evidence against this theory. 

Calm down captain forum cop. 

dude we get it you don't like this theory. now man up and leave the thread alone.

I'm sorry, I was under the impresion this was for evidence and COUNTER evidence. If you don't like the reality of the situation that's fine, but don't project your anger. 

[k8ee]

Stephanid98 wrote...

Something small I noticed last night about fuel - I traveled to the cerberus base, decided to say I wasn't yet ready for the 'final assault' and went back to explore, visited the Citadel again, making sure I didn't miss anything. Went back into space, thought "Crap, I better fuel up!" but turns out my fuel was reset back to full capacity, as if I'd never traveled there in the first place. Not sure if it means anything but just thought I'd mention it.

fuel refills at the citadel

[balance5050]

You guys need to see this, Bioware employee pointing customer to a thread that SUPPORTS indoctrination theory.

http://social.biowar...ex/9872108&lf=8

[Rifneno]

And this isn't "evidence" exactly, but notice how a good portion of the series is giving us the moral lesson that our fear of AIs is likely just our fear of the unknown overreacting? Most AIs we encounter weren't the least bit evil. Even the one on Luna turned out to be good, just confused at gaining awareness in the middle of combat. Then this ending pulls a giant 180 and tells us the complete opposite: we should be terrified of AI and never even attempt it because it's guaranteed to end in the destruction of all organic life. From a writing perspective, that's just... no.

[Prince Keldar]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

cyric085 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

ok everybody I don't think this is the thread to b**ch about how bad the endings are. go to another thread. This one is about the ending being an indoctrination attempt by Harbinger and the evidence that supports it, or the evidence that does not.

****ty ending is evidence enough that this is not going to end as expected, I know what BW was going for and they failed. 

go somewhere else. this is a great thread, very interesting.  you not adding anything to it.

Look at my previous posts, where I lay out solid evidence against this theory. 

Calm down captain forum cop. 

dude we get it you don't like this theory. now man up and leave the thread alone.

I'm sorry, I was under the impresion this was for evidence and COUNTER evidence. If you don't like the reality of the situation that's fine, but don't project your anger. 

ok I apologize when I first got on I saw several posts about the ****ty endings and I don't want this thread locked down because I am rather enjoying it.  Also I haven't seen your previous posts but was commenting on your reply to mine.  Now anything new happen in the last few hours?

Modifié par Prince Keldar, 13 mars 2012 - 11:21 .

[LoveAsThouWilt]

I think I'm done with this thread. I know my own thoughts, and that they have been shared and most of us agree as to what "doesn't fit" about the ending as it is, which suggests that Shepard being indoctrinated is actually plausible, because of how little adds up within the context of the Mass Effect Universe, the previous games, and the ME3 itself. At this point its just a forum of people reiterating what has already been said. So if any real news ever comes up, I'm sure I'll hear about it without having to dig through 10 pages of information every minutes.

[Fledgey]

Not sure if these were posted yet. I'm going to go and record all the parts with the kid at the beginning of the game and I'll post it up in a few.

https://twitter.com/...693165761150977
https://twitter.com/...686320568926209

Modifié par Fledgey, 13 mars 2012 - 11:22 .

[ArkkAngel007]

seitani wrote...

i just hate how irrelevant the ending is. I'm now playing second time and i could not care less about the Aria's merc fleet or batarian fleet or salarian fleet or any the other war assets etc. because there is so minor difference in the ending (i have three different beams to choose from horrah). Shep could just say to Hackett that he can shove the crucible where sun doesn't shine and let the reapers wipe every advanced race away. He would even save the mass relays in the process.

Ok...well this is for the could have beens, should have beens, and the ending sucks threads, not this one.  Hate to kinda police, but with the game FAQ "ending" and fan fiction write ups being mentioned, it's getting a bit out of hand.

Again, this is for the indoctrination theory regarding the final moments of the game after you are attacked by Harbringer.  We find evidence in the game, many which brought the onset of this theory, and discuss if they fit the mantra or no.  In the end, we may find we are completely wrong.  We could also find ourselves right.  It doesn't really matter.

Not about alternate endings, ending-DLC, what should have happened, etc.

Now if you want to add something about the theory, awesome.  If not, well, still appreciate the opinion, but we just don't want another lament thread.

[Stephanid98]

k8ee wrote...

Stephanid98 wrote...

Something small I noticed last night about fuel - I traveled to the cerberus base, decided to say I wasn't yet ready for the 'final assault' and went back to explore, visited the Citadel again, making sure I didn't miss anything. Went back into space, thought "Crap, I better fuel up!" but turns out my fuel was reset back to full capacity, as if I'd never traveled there in the first place. Not sure if it means anything but just thought I'd mention it.

fuel refills at the citadel

wow, thanks, never new that!

[seitani]

balance5050 wrote...

UKHaz wrote...

2_BR4ZIL_2 wrote...

Descedent wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

BadlyBrowned wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

I just noticed on the back of th N7 CE insert there in image covering the whole thing showing someone with Shep armor on pulling an unclothed hand out of rubble...

/checks CE edition

Interesting.....nice find. Dunno if it means anything though lol

Hahaha, I checked mine too

HMM obvious it's final battle 

Looks like Mr. James Vega finnaly got his N7 armor and is pulling Shep out of that mess

IMO, this is after the indocrination/hallucination ending, with the Shepard from the dream sequences pulling the real Shep back up; as if to say, "You've broken the control they had on you, now finish it!!!"

OMFG SO EPIC, I just hate them for making me wait.

or maybe somebody found shepards severed arm from the ruins and is planning to sell it on ebay:bandit:

Modifié par seitani, 13 mars 2012 - 11:23 .

[De1ta G]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

cyric085 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

ok everybody I don't think this is the thread to b**ch about how bad the endings are. go to another thread. This one is about the ending being an indoctrination attempt by Harbinger and the evidence that supports it, or the evidence that does not.

****ty ending is evidence enough that this is not going to end as expected, I know what BW was going for and they failed. 

go somewhere else. this is a great thread, very interesting.  you not adding anything to it.

Look at my previous posts, where I lay out solid evidence against this theory. 

Calm down captain forum cop. 

dude we get it you don't like this theory. now man up and leave the thread alone.

I'm sorry, I was under the impresion this was for evidence and COUNTER evidence. If you don't like the reality of the situation that's fine, but don't project your anger. 

I would love to your counter evidence but there is so many freakin new pages made every minute. So I have no idea where it is.

[balance5050]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

cyric085 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

ok everybody I don't think this is the thread to b**ch about how bad the endings are. go to another thread. This one is about the ending being an indoctrination attempt by Harbinger and the evidence that supports it, or the evidence that does not.

****ty ending is evidence enough that this is not going to end as expected, I know what BW was going for and they failed. 

go somewhere else. this is a great thread, very interesting.  you not adding anything to it.

Look at my previous posts, where I lay out solid evidence against this theory. 

Calm down captain forum cop. 

dude we get it you don't like this theory. now man up and leave the thread alone.

I'm sorry, I was under the impresion this was for evidence and COUNTER evidence. If you don't like the reality of the situation that's fine, but don't project your anger. 

Please write down your evidence again so we can crush it.

[smah]

 I'm really hoping this theory to be true, but my practical sense tells me Bioware/EA just goofed. All these points brought up are extremely valid though, which is why I somewhat believe this to be possible. Just playing devil's advocate, but I have to point out possibilities for why the breath scene is not indicative of the whole thing being hallucinations/indoctrination as well as some other objections.

1) Destroy only eradicates synthetics and Shep is only PARTIALLY synthetic. It's not impossible that he's barely holding onto his life briefly without his synths, like someone who's pacemaker failed or something? And we don't even know WHICH part of him is synth other than part of his spine, his eyes, and some bones.

2) In the other two choices, Shep's body is completely disintegrated, so of course there can't POSSIBLY be a scene with him breathing. Again, this is only if we take the endings at face value.

3) Shepard looking "huskified" in the control and synthsis could be explained by the fact that he is, again, partly synthetic, and the disintegration of his body is revealing those synthetic partswhich were there all along.

4) Why, if Shep never left London, do we not hear gunfire. If he never made it to the Citadel, then the Allied forces would still be fighting the reapers.

5) Again, if we take endings at face value, it's an unlikely possibility, but a possibility nontheless, that either the Citadel or the Crucible strcutures shielded him from burning up in the atmosphere. 

All of these points are things that I though of in opposition to points brought up in this thread. Please, don't flame as I do wish the Indoctrination theory to be correct and I'm just playing devil's advocate, but these are just some possible counter arguments. If anybody could respond to these that would be great.

Modifié par smah, 13 mars 2012 - 11:23 .

[GreatBandit]

Stephanid98 wrote...

Something small I noticed last night about fuel - I traveled to the cerberus base, decided to say I wasn't yet ready for the 'final assault' and went back to explore, visited the Citadel again, making sure I didn't miss anything. Went back into space, thought "Crap, I better fuel up!" but turns out my fuel was reset back to full capacity, as if I'd never traveled there in the first place. Not sure if it means anything but just thought I'd mention it.

Nah, you get topped off when you go to the citadel. 

[De1ta G]

smah wrote...

 I'm really hoping this theory to be true, but my practical sense tells me Bioware/EA just goofed. All these points brought up are extremely valid though, which is why I somewhat believe this to be possible. Just playing devil's advocate, but I have to point out possibilities for why the breath scene is not indicative of the whole thing being hallucinations/indoctrination as well as some other objections.

1) Destroy only eradicates synthetics and Shep is only PARTIALLY synthetic. It's not impossible that he's barely holding onto his life briefly without his synths, like someone who's pacemaker failed or something? And we don't even know WHICH part of him is synth other than part of his spine, his eyes, and some bones.

2) In the other two choices, Shep's body is completely disintegrated, so of course there can't POSSIBLY be a scene with him breathing. Again, this is only if we take the endings at face value.

3) Shepard looking "huskified" in the control and synthsis could be explained by the fact that he is, again, partly synthetic, and the disintegration of his body is revealing those synthetic partswhich were there all along.

4) Why, if Shep never left London, do we not hear gunfire. If he never made it to the Citadel, then the Allied forces would still be fighting the reapers.

5) Again, if we take endings at face value, it's an unlikely possibility, but a possibility nontheless, that either the Citadel or the Crucible strcutures shielded him from burning up in the atmosphere. 

All of these points are things that I though of in opposition to points brought up in this thread. Please, don't flame as I do wish the Indoctrination theory to be correct and I'm just playing devil's advocate, but these are just some possible counter arguments. If anybody could respond to these that would be great.

I don't think you hear gunfire because if you did then it would be too obvious that you are dreaming.

[balance5050]

*posting again so everyone sees.*

You guys need to see this, Bioware employee pointing customer to a thread that SUPPORTS indoctrination theory.

http://social.biowar...ex/9872108&lf=8

[GreatBandit]

smah wrote...

 I'm really hoping this theory to be true, but my practical sense tells me Bioware/EA just goofed. All these points brought up are extremely valid though, which is why I somewhat believe this to be possible. Just playing devil's advocate, but I have to point out possibilities for why the breath scene is not indicative of the whole thing being hallucinations/indoctrination as well as some other objections.

1) Destroy only eradicates synthetics and Shep is only PARTIALLY synthetic. It's not impossible that he's barely holding onto his life briefly without his synths, like someone who's pacemaker failed or something? And we don't even know WHICH part of him is synth other than part of his spine, his eyes, and some bones.

2) In the other two choices, Shep's body is completely disintegrated, so of course there can't POSSIBLY be a scene with him breathing. Again, this is only if we take the endings at face value.

3) Shepard looking "huskified" in the control and synthsis could be explained by the fact that he is, again, partly synthetic, and the disintegration of his body is revealing those synthetic partswhich were there all along.

4) Why, if Shep never left London, do we not hear gunfire. If he never made it to the Citadel, then the Allied forces would still be fighting the reapers.

5) Again, if we take endings at face value, it's an unlikely possibility, but a possibility nontheless, that either the Citadel or the Crucible strcutures shielded him from burning up in the atmosphere. 

All of these points are things that I though of in opposition to points brought up in this thread. Please, don't flame as I do wish the Indoctrination theory to be correct and I'm just playing devil's advocate, but these are just some possible counter arguments. If anybody could respond to these that would be great.

Well a blast from harby could have severly damaged his hearing and when he "awoke" if he did that could be one the results.

[Descedent]

balance5050 wrote...

*posting again so everyone sees.*

You guys need to see this, Bioware employee pointing customer to a thread that SUPPORTS indoctrination theory.

http://social.biowar...ex/9872108&lf=8

you are half a day late to the party... that was hourssssss ago