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You know what gets me? What if they didn't have anything planned and the ending is the true ending. Now we have done all the work for them to fill in the plot holes. Maybe we should asked to be credited? lol


Time will be the decider.  I think that if it is finished within (say) a month then it was nothing to do with us.  If it's a couple of months then maybe.

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Pathero wrote...

Also, where can I get the indoctrination siggy? I can't seem to find it in the bajillions of posts in this thread.


just right click and hit copy link on the pictures...

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Pathero wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

You know what gets me? What if they didn't have anything planned and the ending is the true ending. Now we have done all the work for them to fill in the plot holes. Maybe we should asked to be credited? lol


Time will be the decider.  I think that if it is finished within (say) a month then it was nothing to do with us.  If it's a couple of months then maybe.


I was joking.  

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Prince Keldar wrote...

You know what gets me? What if they didn't have anything planned and the ending is the true ending. Now we have done all the work for them to fill in the plot holes. Maybe we should asked to be credited? lol


I guess that will come down to when they actually release the real ending (if there is one). If it comes out very soon then they had finished it probably before the game was released. while if it gets released later this year then it could be a possibility.

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Pathero wrote...

thatfilmgirl wrote...

Just started my second play through. I don't have the means to record but did anyone else notice that the ME main title after you escape earth, the MASS letters get overlaid with ghostly trees? I just noticed it but have no way of taking video of that. Anyone else able to?


SOMEONE.  PICTURES.  NOW.


... um please. :o

Watch on youtube.

There isn't even the vaguest hint of this. The Mass letters are as clean as they've always been.

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Sry I failed xD

Modifié par FrostByte-GER, 13 mars 2012 - 11:41 .


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This is certainly interesting theory and if bioware somehow suprises us with something like dragon age awakening that would explain everything and give us closure I would have to admit that I was really mistaken and I would probably be awed about it. Till then I will presume worst.

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balance5050 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

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cyric085 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

ok everybody I don't think this is the thread to b**ch about how bad the endings are. go to another thread. This one is about the ending being an indoctrination attempt by Harbinger and the evidence that supports it, or the evidence that does not.

****ty ending is evidence enough that this is not going to end as expected, I know what BW was going for and they failed. 


go somewhere else. this is a great thread, very interesting.  you not adding anything to it.

Look at my previous posts, where I lay out solid evidence against this theory. 

Calm down captain forum cop. 


dude we get it you don't like this theory. now man up and leave the thread alone.

I'm sorry, I was under the impresion this was for evidence and COUNTER evidence. If you don't like the reality of the situation that's fine, but don't project your anger. 


Please write down your evidence again so we can crush it.

Most likely this is the situation, like it or not. And before you say the "Tweets" have merit, I'm fairly certain it's just BW saying to hold on to your games so they can chrage you more for DLC later on down the line. I am fairly certain this is how the entire thing went down, verbaitum. 

The script was leaked months ago, thus forcing BW to change the ending into the one we have now. Because of their commitment to release on time they threw together these nonsensical endings in the hopes that we the players would be stupid enough to fall for their "Well it's all just interpretive" convoluted endings. Whether or not they choose to rectify this with future DLC is invalid, the game should have been shipped in a full package, not a giant troll and speculation bait jar. You can glorify the writing and indoctronation theory all you want, I have yet to see a developer who thinks making your consumers wait for the full project as being a great idea. 

The sad truth is that this is probably just a lot of wishful thinking and trying to escape from the terrible endings we got, and the inevitable end to this (most likely) is that Bioware could really care less. They have your money, that's all that matters. It's not Bioware anymore afterall, EA has turned them into something else entierly. 


Well... that was a waste, I thought you had evidence against indoctrination. Not, your gripes about the company. May I friend you so that I can rub it in your face when they make the "True End" DLC?

That would just be proving me right, so I fail to see the logic there. And yes, this IS evidence against this theory because the company is in direct influance of thier franchise, contrary to popular belife it's not us. The endings we got were supposed to invoke a type of imaginative element within us, if we got the ending where Shep takes a breath it is up to us to decide what happends next. In the literary world it's called the "imaginative prospect" or back in modernist times a "cerebral ending."

The sad part is that Bioware was trying to do something very amazing, they just fell flat on their face. Also, don't chastize the evidence I'm laying out like it's a waste, I never called your post a waste of time or space.

Leave that crap somewhere else, this is a place to discuss the theroy of indoctronation not start a flame war. 

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

thatfilmgirl wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

Pathero wrote...

thatfilmgirl wrote...

Just started my second play through. I don't have the means to record but did anyone else notice that the ME main title after you escape earth, the MASS letters get overlaid with ghostly trees? I just noticed it but have no way of taking video of that. Anyone else able to?


SOMEONE.  PICTURES.  NOW.


... um please. :o


WTF? Need pictures too!


Just bumping because I want to make sure I'm not crazy!


Just rewatched that scene and no, the letters just get darker and fade out.


I also do not see any trees. Justs fades into black.

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is it really so far-fetched that they have a patch to bring in a true ending? think about it...

the console discs supposedly have 6GB more data on them than the PC discs or something right? maybe this data isn't in the PC version so people don't stumble upon it looking through files, and when the time comes, patch for consoles, and DLC for PC containing the true ending/cut content.

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That's weird. Must be the lighting on my computer + the way the letters fade out. Thanks all! *lack of rewind button!*

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[quote]panamakira wrote...



[quote]UKHaz wrote...

Looks like Mr. James Vega finnaly got his N7 armor and is pulling Shep out of that mess :)[/quote]

IMO, this is after the indocrination/hallucination ending, with the Shepard from the dream sequences pulling the real Shep back up; as if to say, "You've broken the control they had on you, now finish it!!!"

:D

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Oh man....that would be so damn Epic.

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Yes! That would be so damn awesome!

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Descedent wrote...

Pathero wrote...

Also, where can I get the indoctrination siggy? I can't seem to find it in the bajillions of posts in this thread.


just right click and hit copy link on the pictures...


or here 
http://imgur.com/a/782PH#9 

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Icinix wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...
I'm sorry, I was under the impresion this was for evidence and COUNTER evidence. If you don't like the reality of the situation that's fine, but don't project your anger. 


Please write down your evidence again so we can crush it.

Most likely this is the situation, like it or not. And before you say the "Tweets" have merit, I'm fairly certain it's just BW saying to hold on to your games so they can chrage you more for DLC later on down the line. I am fairly certain this is how the entire thing went down, verbaitum. 

The script was leaked months ago, thus forcing BW to change the ending into the one we have now. Because of their commitment to release on time they threw together these nonsensical endings in the hopes that we the players would be stupid enough to fall for their "Well it's all just interpretive" convoluted endings. Whether or not they choose to rectify this with future DLC is invalid, the game should have been shipped in a full package, not a giant troll and speculation bait jar. You can glorify the writing and indoctronation theory all you want, I have yet to see a developer who thinks making your consumers wait for the full project as being a great idea. 

The sad truth is that this is probably just a lot of wishful thinking and trying to escape from the terrible endings we got, and the inevitable end to this (most likely) is that Bioware could really care less. They have your money, that's all that matters. It's not Bioware anymore afterall, EA has turned them into something else entierly. 


Thats not a collection counter arguments - thats just your opinion.

Well if you want evidence to this, I will point you in the direction of the "From Ashes" dlc, the flop that was DA2 and the sinking of the TORtanic. You don't see any of those games or DLC being fixed, I don't see why they should start now in terms of enhancing the post ending with a theory as well layed out as this, the pattern as of 2010 is far too strong to just shrug off. And Bioware is under one banner, all offices are under EA.

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thatfilmgirl wrote...

That's weird. Must be the lighting on my computer + the way the letters fade out. Thanks all! *lack of rewind button!*


Or maybe you're indoctrinated.

Wait! Did that wall just move?

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

thatfilmgirl wrote...

That's weird. Must be the lighting on my computer + the way the letters fade out. Thanks all! *lack of rewind button!*


Or maybe you're indoctrinated.

Wait! Did that wall just move?


I must be, given I chose synthesis the first time I played the ending.

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Noob451 wrote...

is it really so far-fetched that they have a patch to bring in a true ending? think about it...

the console discs supposedly have 6GB more data on them than the PC discs or something right? maybe this data isn't in the PC version so people don't stumble upon it looking through files, and when the time comes, patch for consoles, and DLC for PC containing the true ending/cut content.


That's what my current belief. I don't think it will be anything like DA: Awakening. The "true" ending will maybe take an hour or so.

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Reptilian Rob wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

cyric085 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

ok everybody I don't think this is the thread to b**ch about how bad the endings are. go to another thread. This one is about the ending being an indoctrination attempt by Harbinger and the evidence that supports it, or the evidence that does not.

****ty ending is evidence enough that this is not going to end as expected, I know what BW was going for and they failed. 


go somewhere else. this is a great thread, very interesting.  you not adding anything to it.

Look at my previous posts, where I lay out solid evidence against this theory. 

Calm down captain forum cop. 


dude we get it you don't like this theory. now man up and leave the thread alone.

I'm sorry, I was under the impresion this was for evidence and COUNTER evidence. If you don't like the reality of the situation that's fine, but don't project your anger. 


Please write down your evidence again so we can crush it.

Most likely this is the situation, like it or not. And before you say the "Tweets" have merit, I'm fairly certain it's just BW saying to hold on to your games so they can chrage you more for DLC later on down the line. I am fairly certain this is how the entire thing went down, verbaitum. 

The script was leaked months ago, thus forcing BW to change the ending into the one we have now. Because of their commitment to release on time they threw together these nonsensical endings in the hopes that we the players would be stupid enough to fall for their "Well it's all just interpretive" convoluted endings. Whether or not they choose to rectify this with future DLC is invalid, the game should have been shipped in a full package, not a giant troll and speculation bait jar. You can glorify the writing and indoctronation theory all you want, I have yet to see a developer who thinks making your consumers wait for the full project as being a great idea. 

The sad truth is that this is probably just a lot of wishful thinking and trying to escape from the terrible endings we got, and the inevitable end to this (most likely) is that Bioware could really care less. They have your money, that's all that matters. It's not Bioware anymore afterall, EA has turned them into something else entierly. 


As I said before, this is all well and good, and I'd even agree with you if there weren't so many inconsistancy's and small pieces of evidence to go along with this theory. Despite the script being leaked, they wouldn't just throw something THIS bad together. In addition, someone said the assets for this ending were found in the files in game from quite a while ago. Also, the descrepancies in the installs and required installs leads me to believe that there is something up. (And they would've shot it down by now otherwise)

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Reptilian Rob wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

cyric085 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

ok everybody I don't think this is the thread to b**ch about how bad the endings are. go to another thread. This one is about the ending being an indoctrination attempt by Harbinger and the evidence that supports it, or the evidence that does not.

****ty ending is evidence enough that this is not going to end as expected, I know what BW was going for and they failed. 


go somewhere else. this is a great thread, very interesting.  you not adding anything to it.

Look at my previous posts, where I lay out solid evidence against this theory. 

Calm down captain forum cop. 


dude we get it you don't like this theory. now man up and leave the thread alone.

I'm sorry, I was under the impresion this was for evidence and COUNTER evidence. If you don't like the reality of the situation that's fine, but don't project your anger. 


Please write down your evidence again so we can crush it.

Most likely this is the situation, like it or not. And before you say the "Tweets" have merit, I'm fairly certain it's just BW saying to hold on to your games so they can chrage you more for DLC later on down the line. I am fairly certain this is how the entire thing went down, verbaitum. 

The script was leaked months ago, thus forcing BW to change the ending into the one we have now. Because of their commitment to release on time they threw together these nonsensical endings in the hopes that we the players would be stupid enough to fall for their "Well it's all just interpretive" convoluted endings. Whether or not they choose to rectify this with future DLC is invalid, the game should have been shipped in a full package, not a giant troll and speculation bait jar. You can glorify the writing and indoctronation theory all you want, I have yet to see a developer who thinks making your consumers wait for the full project as being a great idea. 

The sad truth is that this is probably just a lot of wishful thinking and trying to escape from the terrible endings we got, and the inevitable end to this (most likely) is that Bioware could really care less. They have your money, that's all that matters. It's not Bioware anymore afterall, EA has turned them into something else entierly. 


Well... that was a waste, I thought you had evidence against indoctrination. Not, your gripes about the company. May I friend you so that I can rub it in your face when they make the "True End" DLC?

That would just be proving me right, so I fail to see the logic there. And yes, this IS evidence against this theory because the company is in direct influance of thier franchise, contrary to popular belife it's not us. The endings we got were supposed to invoke a type of imaginative element within us, if we got the ending where Shep takes a breath it is up to us to decide what happends next. In the literary world it's called the "imaginative prospect" or back in modernist times a "cerebral ending."

The sad part is that Bioware was trying to do something very amazing, they just fell flat on their face. Also, don't chastize the evidence I'm laying out like it's a waste, I never called your post a waste of time or space.

Leave that crap somewhere else, this is a place to discuss the theroy of indoctronation not start a flame war. 


Okay, I rescind my apology now. 

What is Evidence = It was hallucination because of locations of Anderson, your squad, or that no other npc's seem to notice the kid only shepard, and much more.

What is Not evidence = It was not hallucination because EA ruined Bioware.

Do you have specific examples from the game that points to the ending as not being a hallucination?

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while the optimist in me supports the hallucination/indoctrination theory, the pessimist in me says that we're giving Bioware a little too much credit. IMO they will make a new ending dlc, not because they planned it all along, but because they realized the s**tstrom this is all causing and just want it to go away.

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Thanks for all (really, so many replies/messages!) the help think I've got it now!

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Plus on that planet with the Bug queen Tali said I feel like someone is watching us.

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Gonna start a NG+ now! This thread has given me the motivation :) 

This time i'm gonna be more observant than a hawk though lol

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on the Mars mission with the room where your flashlight is on I always think I see someone running at the bottom of the stairs going towards the windows. I am pretty sure it is just the light and shadows but if freaks me out everytime. lol