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[savionen]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Well if you want evidence to this, I will point you in the direction of the "From Ashes" dlc, the flop that was DA2 and the sinking of the TORtanic. You don't see any of those games or DLC being fixed, I don't see why they should start now in terms of enhancing the post ending with a theory as well layed out as this, the pattern as of 2010 is far too strong to just shrug off. And Bioware is under one banner, all offices are under EA.

Not really evidence. Just opinion on why you dislike Bioware.

[Icinix]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...
I'm sorry, I was under the impresion this was for evidence and COUNTER evidence. If you don't like the reality of the situation that's fine, but don't project your anger. 

Please write down your evidence again so we can crush it.

Most likely this is the situation, like it or not. And before you say the "Tweets" have merit, I'm fairly certain it's just BW saying to hold on to your games so they can chrage you more for DLC later on down the line. I am fairly certain this is how the entire thing went down, verbaitum. 

The script was leaked months ago, thus forcing BW to change the ending into the one we have now. Because of their commitment to release on time they threw together these nonsensical endings in the hopes that we the players would be stupid enough to fall for their "Well it's all just interpretive" convoluted endings. Whether or not they choose to rectify this with future DLC is invalid, the game should have been shipped in a full package, not a giant troll and speculation bait jar. You can glorify the writing and indoctronation theory all you want, I have yet to see a developer who thinks making your consumers wait for the full project as being a great idea. 

The sad truth is that this is probably just a lot of wishful thinking and trying to escape from the terrible endings we got, and the inevitable end to this (most likely) is that Bioware could really care less. They have your money, that's all that matters. It's not Bioware anymore afterall, EA has turned them into something else entierly. 

Thats not a collection counter arguments - thats just your opinion.

Well if you want evidence to this, I will point you in the direction of the "From Ashes" dlc, the flop that was DA2 and the sinking of the TORtanic. You don't see any of those games or DLC being fixed, I don't see why they should start now in terms of enhancing the post ending with a theory as well layed out as this, the pattern as of 2010 is far too strong to just shrug off. And Bioware is under one banner, all offices are under EA.

No I mean its a collection of arguments about you believing its a rushed ending - not a collection of arguments that go against the evidence of it being an indoctrinated ending.

Yes - its an important distinction.

[seitani]

Pathero wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

You know what gets me? What if they didn't have anything planned and the ending is the true ending. Now we have done all the work for them to fill in the plot holes. Maybe we should asked to be credited? lol

Time will be the decider.  I think that if it is finished within (say) a month then it was nothing to do with us.  If it's a couple of months then maybe.

if this happens you should demand some royalties from Gamble and Hudson;)

[Glitch007]

Good watch (also think he's right with the creepy AI kid smile and Shep on Earth):

Modifié par Glitch007, 13 mars 2012 - 11:53 .

[balance5050]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

cyric085 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

ok everybody I don't think this is the thread to b**ch about how bad the endings are. go to another thread. This one is about the ending being an indoctrination attempt by Harbinger and the evidence that supports it, or the evidence that does not.

****ty ending is evidence enough that this is not going to end as expected, I know what BW was going for and they failed. 

go somewhere else. this is a great thread, very interesting.  you not adding anything to it.

Look at my previous posts, where I lay out solid evidence against this theory. 

Calm down captain forum cop. 

dude we get it you don't like this theory. now man up and leave the thread alone.

I'm sorry, I was under the impresion this was for evidence and COUNTER evidence. If you don't like the reality of the situation that's fine, but don't project your anger. 

Please write down your evidence again so we can crush it.

Most likely this is the situation, like it or not. And before you say the "Tweets" have merit, I'm fairly certain it's just BW saying to hold on to your games so they can chrage you more for DLC later on down the line. I am fairly certain this is how the entire thing went down, verbaitum. 

The script was leaked months ago, thus forcing BW to change the ending into the one we have now. Because of their commitment to release on time they threw together these nonsensical endings in the hopes that we the players would be stupid enough to fall for their "Well it's all just interpretive" convoluted endings. Whether or not they choose to rectify this with future DLC is invalid, the game should have been shipped in a full package, not a giant troll and speculation bait jar. You can glorify the writing and indoctronation theory all you want, I have yet to see a developer who thinks making your consumers wait for the full project as being a great idea. 

The sad truth is that this is probably just a lot of wishful thinking and trying to escape from the terrible endings we got, and the inevitable end to this (most likely) is that Bioware could really care less. They have your money, that's all that matters. It's not Bioware anymore afterall, EA has turned them into something else entierly. 

Well... that was a waste, I thought you had evidence against indoctrination. Not, your gripes about the company. May I friend you so that I can rub it in your face when they make the "True End" DLC?

That would just be proving me right, so I fail to see the logic there. And yes, this IS evidence against this theory because the company is in direct influance of thier franchise, contrary to popular belife it's not us. The endings we got were supposed to invoke a type of imaginative element within us, if we got the ending where Shep takes a breath it is up to us to decide what happends next. In the literary world it's called the "imaginative prospect" or back in modernist times a "cerebral ending."

The sad part is that Bioware was trying to do something very amazing, they just fell flat on their face. Also, don't chastize the evidence I'm laying out like it's a waste, I never called your post a waste of time or space.

Leave that crap somewhere else, this is a place to discuss the theroy of indoctronation not start a flame war. 

No evidence... that was just like... your opinion man.

[Grizzly2O]

While this theory makes a whole lick of sense, I think the whole "Bioware indoctrinated you!" in a form of metagaming thing is a bit far fetched and giving them a bit too much credit. When it comes to the hallucination/indoctrination thing going on with Shepard, I couldn't agree more. There is too much evidence to support it.

[Ona Demonie]

Prince Keldar wrote...

on the Mars mission with the room where your flashlight is on I always think I see someone running at the bottom of the stairs going towards the windows. I am pretty sure it is just the light and shadows but if freaks me out everytime. lol

I think BioWare has been indoctrinating their fans.

[GreatBandit]

I know this is completely off topic, but can someone inbox me with how i do a siggy?
I feel like such a noob.
Also this theory has kept me intrigued for hours!

[Prince Keldar]

Ona Demonie wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

on the Mars mission with the room where your flashlight is on I always think I see someone running at the bottom of the stairs going towards the windows. I am pretty sure it is just the light and shadows but if freaks me out everytime. lol

I think BioWare has been indoctrinating their fans.

haha yeah maybe.

[Kioux]

Jurgwug wrote...

while the optimist in me supports the hallucination/indoctrination theory, the pessimist in me says that we're giving Bioware a little too much credit. IMO they will make a new ending dlc, not because they planned it all along, but because they realized the s**tstrom this is all causing and just want it to go away.

Even if we do give them too much credit - after having so many people unite (funny because there is some connection to the game, heh) we might just get either an explanation or an alternate ending. While I would say it could be a better ending and I would like one, I know that others disagree, so lets just stick with Alternate endings.

Either way - as long as they would do something like this, I don't much care if it was planned or if someone just had a horrible case of mind-diarrhea. I want closure and I could certainly do with a bit more happy ending and a little less doom.

[FrostByte-GER]

Prince Keldar wrote...

on the Mars mission with the room where your flashlight is on I always think I see someone running at the bottom of the stairs going towards the windows. I am pretty sure it is just the light and shadows but if freaks me out everytime. lol

Yeah some missions were really like Dead Space. I thought to myself. Holy ****, something is there, but no...

[camcon2100]

Watch the post pyramids fellas

[Recon911PDW]

I still believe in the hallusination/indoctrination theory but I went back and looked at the achievements and they suggest otherwise but I don't believe it.

Long Service Medal "Complete Mass Efect 3 twice, or once with a Mass Effect 2 import." Notice how it says "complete"
What a joke.

Also this - Legend "Mission accomplished."
Mission accomplished my ***, everything was messed up.

and this - Patriot "Make the final assault."
Oh Shepard definatly made it to the final assault, in his head he did. The fight aint over yet obviously.

Modifié par Recon911PDW, 13 mars 2012 - 11:59 .

[N7L4D]

Believer since page 24...I think this page get updated by the minute lol

[Little Lummo]

Recon911PDW wrote...

I still believe in the hallusination/indoctrination theory but I went back and looked at the achievements and they suggest otherwise but I don't believe it.

Long Service Medal "Complete Mass Efect 3 twice, or once with a Mass Effect 2 import." Notice how it says "complete" - what a joke.

Also this - Legend "Mission accomplished."
Mission accomplished my ***.

and this - Patriot "Make the final assault."
Oh Shepard definatly made it to the final assault, in his head he did. The fight aint over yet obviously.

Well if you finished it and you didn't get the achievements, then it would give it away instantly that theres more to it, which they clearly didnt want to happen. Perhaps when the real ending is out, it will reveal some extra achievements with it...

[Prince Keldar]

Recon911PDW wrote...

I still believe in the hallusination/indoctrination theory but I went back and looked at the achievements and they suggest otherwise but I don't believe it.

Long Service Medal "Complete Mass Efect 3 twice, or once with a Mass Effect 2 import." Notice how it says "complete" - what a joke.

Also this - Legend "Mission accomplished."
Mission accomplished my ***.

and this - Patriot "Make the final assault."
Oh Shepard definatly made it to the final assault, in his head he did. The fight aint over yet obviously.

Well, Lair of the Shadow Broker and Arrival were intended to be played after the Suicide Mission but wasn't there also an accomplishment for completing the game after the Suicide Mission too?  

[hex23]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

I'm sorry, I was under the
impresion this was for evidence and COUNTER evidence. If you don't like
the reality of the situation that's fine, but don't project your anger. 

Pretty much anything I've seen you say was addressed and dismissed 200+ pages ago. You aren't bringing anything new to the conversation.

[Recon911PDW]

Little Lummo wrote...

Recon911PDW wrote...

I still believe in the hallusination/indoctrination theory but I went back and looked at the achievements and they suggest otherwise but I don't believe it.

Long Service Medal "Complete Mass Efect 3 twice, or once with a Mass Effect 2 import." Notice how it says "complete" - what a joke.

Also this - Legend "Mission accomplished."
Mission accomplished my ***.

and this - Patriot "Make the final assault."
Oh Shepard definatly made it to the final assault, in his head he did. The fight aint over yet obviously.

Well if you finished it and you didn't get the achievements, then it would give it away instantly that theres more to it, which they clearly didnt want to happen. Perhaps when the real ending is out, it will reveal some extra achievements with it...

I hope that your right.

[Rip504]

The Pistol does not have infinite Ammo. In the way some of you claim. All guns have infinite Ammo,it's the heat sinks that need to be changed,hence this just happens to be an old model,or a special heat sink. It could simply be the Predator with 49+Shots

[balance5050]

Recon911PDW wrote...

I still believe in the hallusination/indoctrination theory but I went back and looked at the achievements and they suggest otherwise but I don't believe it.

Long Service Medal "Complete Mass Efect 3 twice, or once with a Mass Effect 2 import." Notice how it says "complete"
What a joke.

Also this - Legend "Mission accomplished."
Mission accomplished my ***, everything was messed up.

and this - Patriot "Make the final assault."
Oh Shepard definatly made it to the final assault, in his head he did. The fight aint over yet obviously.

Please don't let achievments be any sort of evidence. They are an after thought with most games.

Modifié par balance5050, 14 mars 2012 - 12:01 .

[Corather]

Recon911PDW wrote...

I still believe in the hallusination/indoctrination theory but I went back and looked at the achievements and they suggest otherwise but I don't believe it.

Long Service Medal "Complete Mass Efect 3 twice, or once with a Mass Effect 2 import." Notice how it says "complete" - what a joke.

Also this - Legend "Mission accomplished."
Mission accomplished my ***, everything was messed up.

and this - Patriot "Make the final assault."
Oh Shepard definatly made it to the final assault, in his head he did. The fight aint over yet obviously.

But if BW wanted all locations to have a chance to expierence the indoctrination ending properly, then handling things like this makes alot of sense (Gutsy as heck, though).  Otherwise, those of us who hit it first will hit the end and it'll be all SNAPE KILLED DUMBLEDORE across the forums and internet and folks won't get to expierence this section of the fight against indoctrination as intended, everyone will just pick the 'Destroy' (Assuming the theory is correct) and move on to the next stage.

Which is also why folks think they have a 'Real Ending' DLC all lined up ready to go.  Though personally I'd bet more on patch, that way it can be free and I can't see how you can do this and charge folks for it and not have it be sucicide for your brand name.

[TRISTAN WERBE]

Yes if you live you can see the rumble is buildings

[Myrmedus]

Only issue I have is that I would expect Harbinger must speak to you at some point if this is true? Like, after you wake up? Well Keith Szarabajka's bibliography doesn't have him working on ME3?

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Going to bed now to have horrible indoctrination nightmares. Hope BioWare says something definite soon.