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Why are so many people suing the fact that the ending is so stupid as a reason for it not being real? When you see a really lousy movie do you assume the filmmakers were just trolling you and are going to release their real masterpiece at a later date?

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Rip504 wrote...

The Pistol does not have infinite Ammo. In the way some of you claim. All guns have infinite Ammo,it's the heat sinks that need to be changed,hence this just happens to be an old model,or a special heat sink. It could simply be the Predator with 49+Shots


"A special Heat sink" thats never been seen before in the trilogy let alone those models carry high damage low magazine.    your argument is invalid.

Modifié par Niemack Saarinen, 14 mars 2012 - 12:03 .


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This thread moves way too fast to check what's been posted and what not, but just to let you know that a community manager might have had a slip of the tongue:

@masseffect do y'all have any ETA when more news will be released? Dying for news on a new ending/DLC.

@wishihadadream No ETA yet, but you will be updated via Facebook and Twitter when the news is available :).


There's an awful lack of denial of a new ending here.

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jojimbo wrote...
because as it stands no matter which choice you choose, you die, the gates blow up, happy paradise and the goofy grandpa.


False. Why do people keep parroting wrong info that was disproven literally 250+ pages ago? I'm not trying to be rude but read the thread before you post. We've had to explain the "Shepard lives" ending what seems like 200 times.

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thePredator50 wrote...

This thread moves way too fast to check what's been posted and what not, but just to let you know that a community manager might have had a slip of the tongue:

@masseffect do y'all have any ETA when more news will be released? Dying for news on a new ending/DLC.

@wishihadadream No ETA yet, but you will be updated via Facebook and Twitter when the news is available :).


There's an awful lack of denial of a new ending here.


could just be a generic reply though.

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I don't even feel like bothering anymore to be honest, the ending (whatever it is or may be) is/will be a joke. It's painful to be a certified literature major, because I know how ambitious the end goal was, and then to see it fall apart like this.

If this theory proves to be correct then that's wonderful and I'll take my failed assertions with humble guile. If not, then it's just a low blow to someone who has loved and stayed with the franchise a long, long time. I still think that a lot of this is grasping for straws, or some form of escape to the horrible endings we got as fans.

It would be better to go into this will lower expectations than high ones, it hurts a lot less when you fall a few feet opposed to a few stories.

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BrotherWarth wrote...

Why are so many people suing the fact that the ending is so stupid as a reason for it not being real? When you see a really lousy movie do you assume the filmmakers were just trolling you and are going to release their real masterpiece at a later date?


go away:sick:

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I've been following this thread for a while now.... this theory would explain a lot, if it turned out to be true.

Everything from Harbinger's attack onward just felt wrong, not like Mass Effect at all. When the catalyst showed up with his weird nonsensical reasoning, it felt like I've stumbled unto the love-child of 'Matrix' and 'Lost'.

Here's another movie analogy I like to use: From the first time I saw the kid in Vancouver in the demo, it felt a little bit like watching the Sixth Sense. No one except Shepard notices the kid (watching him play with the Normandy toy, crouching in the vent, getting on board that evac shuttle).
And when I played ME3 (not the demo) I realized that the kid ran into the building just before the Reaper attack. Then I thought "poor kid. survives that blast just to get killed by the next one"

Originally I thought he represented all those innocents lost in the war... those who Shepard can't save. Remember him/her talking to Anderson in the Paragon choise? "Fighting a war is hard enough, but knowing you cannot save all of them no matter how hard you try..." or something like that.
But reading this thread, I've started wondering if the kid hasn't been part of Shepard's increasingly indoctrinated mind all along.

Modifié par Steffi2206, 14 mars 2012 - 12:06 .


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If anyone on here wishes to discuss this theory in a more neutral, friendly, and controlled environment, please PM me and I will direct you to where we are slowly moving the discssion.

In all honesty, the thread has been sabatoged by hateful fans and can no longer be the peaceful and thoughtful discussion it had started out as, but myself and several others intend on keep byne's hard work alive and not be soiled by upset ME fans who'd rather inject their own hateful or disappointed opinions into this topic without caring about the whole purpose of this topic.

again, if interested, PM me and I will direct you to where we are migrating to.

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BrotherWarth wrote...

Why are so many people suing the fact that the ending is so stupid as a reason for it not being real? When you see a really lousy movie do you assume the filmmakers were just trolling you and are going to release their real masterpiece at a later date?

Been barking up that tree for a few pages, it is what it is. 

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Rip504 wrote...

The Pistol does not have infinite Ammo. In the way some of you claim. All guns have infinite Ammo,it's the heat sinks that need to be changed,hence this just happens to be an old model,or a special heat sink. It could simply be the Predator with 49+Shots

I'd like to mention that I replayed the beginning. Even though you have infinite ammo you still have to reload. This was an intentional change at the end and not just the same switch.

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Reptilian Rob wrote...

I don't even feel like bothering anymore to be honest, the ending (whatever it is or may be) is/will be a joke. It's painful to be a certified literature major, because I know how ambitious the end goal was, and then to see it fall apart like this.

If this theory proves to be correct then that's wonderful and I'll take my failed assertions with humble guile. If not, then it's just a low blow to someone who has loved and stayed with the franchise a long, long time. I still think that a lot of this is grasping for straws, or some form of escape to the horrible endings we got as fans.

It would be better to go into this will lower expectations than high ones, it hurts a lot less when you fall a few feet opposed to a few stories.


Emergency Induction Ports, please.

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Not sure if it is anything, but when you get up from Harbinger's boom laser you can shoot the soldier reaching out to you in the head..end his suffering. No where else is friendly fire possible...just something i noticed.

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You know, at first I was real pissed off about the endings. I just couldn't fathom how Bioware could screw it up THAT bad. But now looking over the evidence, it seems plausible. It makes sense.

Except for one tiny detail. The 90%+ people who bought the game, hated the ending, and didn't come to the boards, so don't know about the Indoctrination theory. It is not obvious, and I don't think many of them will figure it out on their own.

And you know, all these weird things we keep pointing out as evidence? It might just be lazyness by Bioware. The floating walk, infinite shot pistol, faceless bodies, Anderson getting ahead of you, the list goes on. So at the end of the day, this will either make everyone bow to the glory of Bioware, or kill the franchise dead.

Personally, the other 40 hours of ME3 was so good, I'm keeping the faith.

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Rip504 wrote...

The Pistol does not have infinite Ammo. In the way some of you claim. All guns have infinite Ammo,it's the heat sinks that need to be changed,hence this just happens to be an old model,or a special heat sink. It could simply be the Predator with 49+Shots


Ammo/Heatsinks whatever, the concept is the same at end of the day, just because it isnt technically infinite, does not stop it from feeling like it, which is all that matters in an artform like gaming.

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Reptilian Rob wrote...

I don't even feel like bothering anymore to be honest, the ending (whatever it is or may be) is/will be a joke. It's painful to be a certified literature major, because I know how ambitious the end goal was, and then to see it fall apart like this.

If this theory proves to be correct then that's wonderful and I'll take my failed assertions with humble guile. If not, then it's just a low blow to someone who has loved and stayed with the franchise a long, long time. I still think that a lot of this is grasping for straws, or some form of escape to the horrible endings we got as fans.

It would be better to go into this will lower expectations than high ones, it hurts a lot less when you fall a few feet opposed to a few stories.


Well Bob, your missing half the point which this thread is built upon (Well, not even missing in, just interpreting it wrong) On the more than likely event (I'd say 60%) that it is wrong this thread alone gave countless people the ability to stomach the game again, and that, in itself, is worth something, and hell, I know a lot of people are actually going to be able to not hate the game due to this, since even if it isn't right, a lot of people consider it a child (And I am pretty sure I just made the literature major in you cry with my grammar)

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Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

The Pistol does not have infinite Ammo. In the way some of you claim. All guns have infinite Ammo,it's the heat sinks that need to be changed,hence this just happens to be an old model,or a special heat sink. It could simply be the Predator with 49+Shots


"A special Heat sink" thats never been seen before in the trilogy let alone those models carry high damage low magazine.    your argument is invalid.


Yeah, why would one of the old models just be lying there when you have seen one in years.

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LastChanceofgod wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

I don't even feel like bothering anymore to be honest, the ending (whatever it is or may be) is/will be a joke. It's painful to be a certified literature major, because I know how ambitious the end goal was, and then to see it fall apart like this.

If this theory proves to be correct then that's wonderful and I'll take my failed assertions with humble guile. If not, then it's just a low blow to someone who has loved and stayed with the franchise a long, long time. I still think that a lot of this is grasping for straws, or some form of escape to the horrible endings we got as fans.

It would be better to go into this will lower expectations than high ones, it hurts a lot less when you fall a few feet opposed to a few stories.


Well Bob, your missing half the point which this thread is built upon (Well, not even missing in, just interpreting it wrong) On the more than likely event (I'd say 60%) that it is wrong this thread alone gave countless people the ability to stomach the game again, and that, in itself, is worth something, and hell, I know a lot of people are actually going to be able to not hate the game due to this, since even if it isn't right, a lot of people consider it a child (And I am pretty sure I just made the literature major in you cry with my grammar)

Nah, it's ok, grammar isn't as important as people make it out to be. lol

Honestly, this theory is way too good to be true. If it was, it would be the greatest twist in gaming history, bar none in terms of value. I just can't see that happening, I just can't. Consider me floored if it does happen. 

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I wasn't on board with this idea until I read the comment "dan" made here:
http://www.duelingan...g-mass-effect-3
With what he said in mind, I'm perfectly happy with thinking what played out with the Crucible all be in Shepard's head and the last little bit him waking up from resisted Indoctrination. That may not be what Bioware wants but it's what I'll stick to.

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People need to stop referring to the ending as a "new" ending.

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BrotherWarth wrote...

Why are so many people suing the fact that the ending is so stupid as a reason for it not being real? When you see a really lousy movie do you assume the filmmakers were just trolling you and are going to release their real masterpiece at a later date?


Usually when you see a really lousy ending - the whole movie was pretty lousy.

Or its a depressing ending that makes sense in the context.

This ending - without the indoctrination theory - is a true lousy ending that doesn't match up to the sense and polish of the rest of the game.

It sits alone away from the rest of the story.

Indoctrination theory slots it in perfectly.

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Off topic... Is it possible to change your username on here? I can't find it anywhere. This username is old :blush:

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BrotherWarth wrote...

Why are so many people suing the fact that the ending is so stupid as a reason for it not being real? When you see a really lousy movie do you assume the filmmakers were just trolling you and are going to release their real masterpiece at a later date?


Because the other 99.9% of the trilogy was high quality. It seems fair to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt, at least for now.

Modifié par savionen, 14 mars 2012 - 12:11 .


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http://social.biowar...index/9861052/1 theres lot of good and valid points in this explanation

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Reptilian Rob wrote...

LastChanceofgod wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

I don't even feel like bothering anymore to be honest, the ending (whatever it is or may be) is/will be a joke. It's painful to be a certified literature major, because I know how ambitious the end goal was, and then to see it fall apart like this.

If this theory proves to be correct then that's wonderful and I'll take my failed assertions with humble guile. If not, then it's just a low blow to someone who has loved and stayed with the franchise a long, long time. I still think that a lot of this is grasping for straws, or some form of escape to the horrible endings we got as fans.

It would be better to go into this will lower expectations than high ones, it hurts a lot less when you fall a few feet opposed to a few stories.


Well Bob, your missing half the point which this thread is built upon (Well, not even missing in, just interpreting it wrong) On the more than likely event (I'd say 60%) that it is wrong this thread alone gave countless people the ability to stomach the game again, and that, in itself, is worth something, and hell, I know a lot of people are actually going to be able to not hate the game due to this, since even if it isn't right, a lot of people consider it a child (And I am pretty sure I just made the literature major in you cry with my grammar)

Nah, it's ok, grammar isn't as important as people make it out to be. lol

Honestly, this theory is way too good to be true. If it was, it would be the greatest twist in gaming history, bar none in terms of value. I just can't see that happening, I just can't. Consider me floored if it does happen. 


Consider me floored if it doesn't.