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[jamiekas]

I hope to goodness the threadmaker is right.

[Rifneno]

I know the subject of the eyes has been brought up a lot.  But I've talked to quite a few people who don't see it, or don't think they're really what we think they are.  So I got some screenshots and when necessary magnified them so you can see them better.


That's the Illusive Man's eye in ME2. Note the pattern: an inner circle, an outer circle, and two orb shapes on the bottom left and right.


This is Saren's eye in ME1 right before he ragequits existence. It's different, but similar in a way. A large glowing center, an inner ring, a much smaller outer ring, and some wavy designs coming out of them.


This is Shepard's eye right after his face turned black in the control ending. This is the exact same pattern as the Illusive Man's. The only difference is the color. Which is similar to Saren's. I'll also note that the rest of the scene he seemed to be in immense pain as he's gripping the handles. After he turns like this, he simply looks deadpan and emotionless.


This is Shepard's eye during the synthesis ending. He's further from the camera and a lot of the time it's distorted by the green pulses, but this is still a clear enough shot to tell, without a doubt, that he has the same eyes here as in control.

Hopefully this helps convince someone that doesn't believe the eye evidence, which I personally consider to be the strongest evidence of the indoctrination theory.

[Martukis]

@FryinHard please work on your formatting.

[AM94]

If the ending is already on the disc and is so called "time stamped" if that is even possible, couldnt u just set your computer/console to a future date and it would activate the full ending, or am i just retarded, because that seems like the logical and obvious thing to do.

Modifié par AM94, 14 mars 2012 - 12:27 .

[Jurgwug]

Kioux wrote...

Jurgwug wrote...

while the optimist in me supports the hallucination/indoctrination theory, the pessimist in me says that we're giving Bioware a little too much credit. IMO they will make a new ending dlc, not because they planned it all along, but because they realized the s**tstrom this is all causing and just want it to go away.

Even if we do give them too much credit - after having so many people unite (funny because there is some connection to the game, heh) we might just get either an explanation or an alternate ending. While I would say it could be a better ending and I would like one, I know that others disagree, so lets just stick with Alternate endings.

Either way - as long as they would do something like this, I don't much care if it was planned or if someone just had a horrible case of mind-diarrhea. I want closure and I could certainly do with a bit more happy ending and a little less doom.

Yea, I have to agree with you. The reason the endings made me sad was mainly becasue there was no closure, and a little had to do with the sad ending. If they do ANYTHING to change it, I'll be so happy 

[Bigdoser]

Thats very interesting Rif that should be added to the OP post.

[MaroonMoore93]

Rip504 wrote...
Edit: Maybe whoever designed it,also created your destroy and control consoles. Why do you think TIM KNOWS he can control the Reapers? Through the Prothean archives which has info on this room,Crucible and different options to deal with the Reapers.

Let me just address this one point:
I think The Illusive Man would not have shot himself in the head if he "knew" he could control the Reapers. The whole reason he commits suicide(as I saw it) is because he is not willing to bet "humanity's existance" on his ability to control the Reapers.
Jus' sayin'

[Traderjoeeeee]

Rifneno wrote...

I know the subject of the eyes has been brought up a lot.  But I've talked to quite a few people who don't see it, or don't think they're really what we think they are.  So I got some screenshots and when necessary magnified them so you can see them better.


That's the Illusive Man's eye in ME2. Note the pattern: an inner circle, an outer circle, and two orb shapes on the bottom left and right.


This is Saren's eye in ME1 right before he ragequits existence. It's different, but similar in a way. A large glowing center, an inner ring, a much smaller outer ring, and some wavy designs coming out of them.


This is Shepard's eye right after his face turned black in the control ending. This is the exact same pattern as the Illusive Man's. The only difference is the color. Which is similar to Saren's. I'll also note that the rest of the scene he seemed to be in immense pain as he's gripping the handles. After he turns like this, he simply looks deadpan and emotionless.


This is Shepard's eye during the synthesis ending. He's further from the camera and a lot of the time it's distorted by the green pulses, but this is still a clear enough shot to tell, without a doubt, that he has the same eyes here as in control.

Hopefully this helps convince someone that doesn't believe the eye evidence, which I personally consider to be the strongest evidence of the indoctrination theory.

Bravo rif!

[thePredator50]

I sincerely hope that all the nods about there being more to the ending aren't referring to this: http://www.me3finalhours.com/

[De1ta G]

This ending isn't time stamped. It will be activated through patch or free dlc most likely. That's what I believe.

[Rip504]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...



I sure as hell would like to have had this magical 49+ Old model of a predator that dwarfs its newer renditions completely in every regard to efficiency.

No you are using suggestions...
Did you play ME1?
It was a joke. Obviously the gun is a plot device.

Also why do ppl get upset when I say You are reaching for meaning in a meaningless ending?

The OP also states this...

"Is it likely? No. Am I reaching, insanely? Yes." OP's words not mine...

Shepard is the first organic to ever stand here,Yes in front of the
Godchild. That doesn't mean the room. Obviously human writing proves
organics were there,or how about the Crucible's design? It is designed
to plug into that port SPECIFICALLY,hence someone has seen this room
before.


Edit: Maybe whoever designed it,also created your
destroy and control consoles. Why do you think TIM KNOWS he can control
the Reapers? Through the Prothean archives which has info on this
room,Crucible and different options to deal with the Reapers.

He shoots himself in the head only after realizing he is indoctrinated and can no longer obtain his goal. He is now an enemy of humanity. He states this on MARS>
Also I shoot him...

Modifié par Rip504, 14 mars 2012 - 12:36 .

[Auresta]

thePredator50 wrote...

I sincerely hope that all the nods about there being more to the ending aren't referring to this: http://www.me3finalhours.com/

Most of us probably didn't find this out until today.

[smah]

smah wrote...

 I'm really hoping this theory to be true, but my practical sense tells me Bioware/EA just goofed. All these points brought up are extremely valid though, which is why I somewhat believe this to be possible. Just playing devil's advocate, but I have to point out possibilities for why the breath scene is not indicative of the whole thing being hallucinations/indoctrination as well as some other objections.

1) Destroy only eradicates synthetics and Shep is only PARTIALLY synthetic. It's not impossible that he's barely holding onto his life briefly without his synths, like someone who's pacemaker failed or something? And we don't even know WHICH part of him is synth other than part of his spine, his eyes, and some bones.

2) In the other two choices, Shep's body is completely disintegrated, so of course there can't POSSIBLY be a scene with him breathing. Again, this is only if we take the endings at face value.

3) Shepard looking "huskified" in the control and synthsis could be explained by the fact that he is, again, partly synthetic, and the disintegration of his body is revealing those synthetic partswhich were there all along.

4) Why, if Shep never left London, do we not hear gunfire. If he never made it to the Citadel, then the Allied forces would still be fighting the reapers. (Harby's blast possibly messed up hearing temporarily)

5) Again, if we take endings at face value, it's an unlikely possibility, but a possibility nontheless, that either the Citadel or the Crucible strcutures shielded him from burning up in the atmosphere. 

All of these points are things that I though of in opposition to points brought up in this thread. Please, don't flame as I do wish the Indoctrination theory to be correct and I'm just playing devil's advocate, but these are just some possible counter arguments. If anybody could respond to these that would be great.

Y U NO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS?! 
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) 

Modifié par smah, 14 mars 2012 - 12:32 .

[Mr. Mistake]

With the endings, it's like having to choose between an apple pie, a lemon pie and a dirt pie.

If you eat the dirt pie no one is going to respect you.
If you eat the lemon pie all your friends go to jail and you uninvent the wheel.
If you eat the apple pie you die, but you get an awesome collection of GI Joes.

[Mythosaeon]

I think the indoctrination hallucination theory while creating hope for better endings leads to some very disturbing trends toward less than scrupulous marketing practices by EA/Bioware for Mass Effect 3.

It's like being sold a book, but chapters 5 thru 9, pages 109, 153, 234, 347 and the final 3 chapters are sold as seperate items.

A release day additional $10+tax DLC that contains key plot reveals AND the orginal game is sold incomplete with the true endings to be released as another additional purchase?

Not quite unethical but more than distasteful - and very likely to cost Bioware reputation and customers if true.

[Abdul_777]

guys,i dont know if its a bug or not but i alt tabbed to check something (related to a gfx bug i had) at the part where youre talking with the prothean VI at cerberus base,after tim goes away stating you shouldnt overstay your welcome.
When i came back,there was no music and theres constant speaking in the background,it sounds like speech being rewinded from different people,maybe a stretch but i can hear some words with similar tone to harbringer also,anyhow feel free to check it yourselves,just let it idle at a choice

[Martukis]

Auresta wrote...

thePredator50 wrote...

I sincerely hope that all the nods about there being more to the ending aren't referring to this: http://www.me3finalhours.com/

Most of us probably didn't find this out until today.

 
 As far as I know, the "Final hours" thing is like the one for Portal 2 - a commentary on the developement of the game, from a third party that observed a good portion of it.

[blooregard]

Mr. Mistake wrote...

With the endings, it's like having to choose between an apple pie, a lemon pie and a dirt pie.

If you eat the dirt pie no one is going to respect you.
If you eat the lemon pie all your friends go to jail and you uninvent the wheel.
If you eat the apple pie you die, but you get an awesome collection of GI Joes.

I don't understand your suggestions

[thePredator50]

Traderjoeeeee wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I know the subject of the eyes has been brought up a lot.  But I've talked to quite a few people who don't see it, or don't think they're really what we think they are.  So I got some screenshots and when necessary magnified them so you can see them better.


That's the Illusive Man's eye in ME2. Note the pattern: an inner circle, an outer circle, and two orb shapes on the bottom left and right.


This is Saren's eye in ME1 right before he ragequits existence. It's different, but similar in a way. A large glowing center, an inner ring, a much smaller outer ring, and some wavy designs coming out of them.


This is Shepard's eye right after his face turned black in the control ending. This is the exact same pattern as the Illusive Man's. The only difference is the color. Which is similar to Saren's. I'll also note that the rest of the scene he seemed to be in immense pain as he's gripping the handles. After he turns like this, he simply looks deadpan and emotionless.


This is Shepard's eye during the synthesis ending. He's further from the camera and a lot of the time it's distorted by the green pulses, but this is still a clear enough shot to tell, without a doubt, that he has the same eyes here as in control.

Hopefully this helps convince someone that doesn't believe the eye evidence, which I personally consider to be the strongest evidence of the indoctrination theory.

Bravo rif!

And we're sure his eyes don't change during the Destroy ending?

Secondly, it was my understanding that TIMs eyes were like that due to technological implants, ever since the start of ME2 they looked like that. I honestly doubt he was indoctrinated back then.

[Cellander]

I guess it would be an awesome twist if this were the case, BioWare indoctrinate players in real life. It would certainly be something to go down in history of gaming.

Is this the case? I don't know, it could be. It could also be that players is looking into it way to much, because some of us think the ending is not what some of us expected.

Modifié par Cellander, 14 mars 2012 - 12:35 .

[De1ta G]

Mythosaeon wrote...

I think the indoctrination hallucination theory while creating hope for better endings leads to some very disturbing trends toward less than scrupulous marketing practices by EA/Bioware for Mass Effect 3.

It's like being sold a book, but chapters 5 thru 9, pages 109, 153, 234, 347 and the final 3 chapters are sold as seperate items.

A release day additional $10+tax DLC that contains key plot reveals AND the orginal game is sold incomplete with the true endings to be released as another additional purchase?

Not quite unethical but more than distasteful - and very likely to cost Bioware reputation and customers if true.

The From Ashes dlc sold seperately for $10 was EA/BioWare's way of saying. "Should of got the Collector's Edition"

[Silasqtx]

AM94 wrote...

If the ending is already on the disc and is so called "time stamped" if that is even possible, couldnt u just set your computer/console to a future date and it would activate the full ending, or am i just retarded, because that seems like the logical and obvious thing to do.

Money goes on a "patch" that bugfixes and adds "locked" content when the game will be released in Asia, imo.

Let's just hope that the indoc. theory (or this ) is correct.

@Thepredator50

TIM got caught by a "flash" from a Reaper Artifact. That's why he has those eyes. His teammate instead got hit directly by that flash and became an husk.

Modifié par Silasqtx, 14 mars 2012 - 12:37 .

[GreatBandit]

AM94 wrote...

If the ending is already on the disc and is so called "time stamped" if that is even possible, couldnt u just set your computer/console to a future date and it would activate the full ending, or am i just retarded, because that seems like the logical and obvious thing to do.

I don't think that will work since, supposedly, the ps3, and xbox version had 6gigs of extra stuff on it while the PC verion did not, so maybe that was to thwart those who would look?

[IndelibleJester]

thePredator50 wrote...

Traderjoeeeee wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I know the subject of the eyes has been brought up a lot.  But I've talked to quite a few people who don't see it, or don't think they're really what we think they are.  So I got some screenshots and when necessary magnified them so you can see them better.


That's the Illusive Man's eye in ME2. Note the pattern: an inner circle, an outer circle, and two orb shapes on the bottom left and right.


This is Saren's eye in ME1 right before he ragequits existence. It's different, but similar in a way. A large glowing center, an inner ring, a much smaller outer ring, and some wavy designs coming out of them.


This is Shepard's eye right after his face turned black in the control ending. This is the exact same pattern as the Illusive Man's. The only difference is the color. Which is similar to Saren's. I'll also note that the rest of the scene he seemed to be in immense pain as he's gripping the handles. After he turns like this, he simply looks deadpan and emotionless.


This is Shepard's eye during the synthesis ending. He's further from the camera and a lot of the time it's distorted by the green pulses, but this is still a clear enough shot to tell, without a doubt, that he has the same eyes here as in control.

Hopefully this helps convince someone that doesn't believe the eye evidence, which I personally consider to be the strongest evidence of the indoctrination theory.

Bravo rif!

And we're sure his eyes don't change during the Destroy ending?

Secondly, it was my understanding that TIMs eyes were like that due to technological implants, ever since the start of ME2 they looked like that. I honestly doubt he was indoctrinated back then.

TIM was indoctrinated at the same time as Saren according to the comics/books.

[JFedora]

Rifneno wrote...


Hopefully this helps convince someone that doesn't believe the eye evidence, which I personally consider to be the strongest evidence of the indoctrination theory.

I'm a little iffy on the eye evidence, because there's absolutely nothing to suggest that TIM was indoctrinated during ME2. In fact, if you watch all the videos in the Cerberus base before facing him, you actually see the doctor and him talking just before he gets his reaper implants, suggesting that he is only indoctrinated afterwards. So I think his eyes are simply normal, human implants which he got because he's the freaking illusive man and he wanted to. Moreover, just because Shepard's eyes look like his doesn't necessarily prove anything either - maybe that's just how eye implants look, or maybe the developers just didn't want to create an entirely new design for Shepard's eyes that are only going to be vaguely visible for a few seconds.