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[Abdul_777]

blooregard wrote...

Abdul_777 wrote...

guys,i dont know if its a bug or not but i alt tabbed to check something (related to a gfx bug i had) at the part where youre talking with the prothean VI at cerberus base,after tim goes away stating you shouldnt overstay your welcome.
When i came back,there was no music and theres constant speaking in the background,it sounds like speech being rewinded from different people,maybe a stretch but i can hear some words with similar tone to harbringer also,anyhow feel free to check it yourselves,just let it idle at a choice

if this is true it may prove that shepard was already in the process of being indoctronated by the time he got to the cerberus base after all TIM did have the prothean VI hacked so he could get the information perhaps shepard was reaching the noticable levels of indoctronation by that point but the prothean VI's indoctronation sensor was disabled and thus couldn't tell he was indoctronated

Yea thats what i was thinking,those sounds align with the codex stuff as well,hearing many "alien" voices.

[Pathero]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

I truly feel like I'm indoctrinated right now, going between cynicism and hope. I don't think my mind is my own right now. If by some miracle long shot that was Biowares plan, simply amazing.

The Kool Aid is mighty tasty isn't it?

[Mythosaeon]

De1ta G wrote...

Mythosaeon wrote...

I think the indoctrination hallucination theory while creating hope for better endings leads to some very disturbing trends toward less than scrupulous marketing practices by EA/Bioware for Mass Effect 3.

It's like being sold a book, but chapters 5 thru 9, pages 109, 153, 234, 347 and the final 3 chapters are sold as seperate items.

A release day additional $10+tax DLC that contains key plot reveals AND the orginal game is sold incomplete with the true endings to be released as another additional purchase?

Not quite unethical but more than distasteful - and very likely to cost Bioware reputation and customers if true.

The From Ashes dlc sold seperately for $10 was EA/BioWare's way of saying. "Should of got the Collector's Edition"

Selling a more expensive product by getting a customer to into the store for a lesser priced item then adding extras until they might as well just buy the higher priced item?  In retail that's known as 'bait and switch', which is an unethical practice which reputable businesses avoid.

[De1ta G]

prizm123 wrote...

i need to know something..... i remember Anderson saying something about the Reapers were planning something big in London, it was also the first place they attacked..... why is that?

i don't think the endings are actual endings now.... and that they were all just indoctrinations and breaking the indoctrination....no, the whole London thing was just left dangling, we don't know why they were all going there...

I'm pretty sure he tells you that they are all gathering there because the citadel is put right over London to harvest all the people(dead or alive) they've gathered there.

[Rifneno]

Rip504 wrote...

Rahabzu wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Renegade Shepard has red eyes,guess that means Renegades are indoctrinated...
It is the synthetic implants from the Lazarus project. IMO

Why do they appear as blue during the control and synthesis endings?

Ask Bioware. Maybe they are shutting down etc.

No, we're asking you, because you made the counterargument that it's from the lazarus project.  It's up to you to support your argument.

[iwillkillfortali]

balance5050 wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Renegade Shepard has red eyes,guess that means Renegades are indoctrinated...
It is the synthetic implants from the Lazarus project. IMO

Red eyes have nothing to do with this theory, it's the blue eyes man... the blue eyes.

That makes sence because my renegade shepard chose to kill the power pipe and he lived.:innocent:

[FFZero]

Just thought I’d add a little something to this awesome thread. Correct me if I’m wrong but I think I remember reading in the codex that people who are indoctrinated or in the process of becoming indoctrinated can be unaware of their actions. In the mission to save Eve/Bakara on Sur’kesh Mordin believes someone in STG may be indoctrinated since cerberus arrived so quickly. I can’t remember if we found out who it was that leaked the information but what if it was Shep?

[De1ta G]

Mythosaeon wrote...

De1ta G wrote...

Mythosaeon wrote...

I think the indoctrination hallucination theory while creating hope for better endings leads to some very disturbing trends toward less than scrupulous marketing practices by EA/Bioware for Mass Effect 3.

It's like being sold a book, but chapters 5 thru 9, pages 109, 153, 234, 347 and the final 3 chapters are sold as seperate items.

A release day additional $10+tax DLC that contains key plot reveals AND the orginal game is sold incomplete with the true endings to be released as another additional purchase?

Not quite unethical but more than distasteful - and very likely to cost Bioware reputation and customers if true.

Keep in mind that you got more than just the From Ashes dlc with the CE

The From Ashes dlc sold seperately for $10 was EA/BioWare's way of saying. "Should of got the Collector's Edition"

Selling a more expensive product by getting a customer to into the store for a lesser priced item then adding extras until they might as well just buy the higher priced item?  In retail that's known as 'bait and switch', which is an unethical practice which reputable businesses avoid.

[ArkkAngel007]

If someone wants to be pessimistic and can counter-argue and all that jazz (like Jeff), then be my guest. If it's related to the theory directly, then go for it.

But just bashing the endings, saying how it should be instead, the continuous spamming of fan fic...it just gets annoying after a while. We have dozens of other threads for that, and it should stay there. Those are the people (at least 50 or so pages back) that were being told to take it elsewhere.

Granted, there are some who are just being over defensive, and should calm down. It is only a theory, not the Rosetta Stone.

[Reptilian Rob]

Pathero wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

I truly feel like I'm indoctrinated right now, going between cynicism and hope. I don't think my mind is my own right now. If by some miracle long shot that was Biowares plan, simply amazing.

The Kool Aid is mighty tasty isn't it?

Mostly just confusing...

[blooregard]

Rahabzu wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Renegade Shepard has red eyes,guess that means Renegades are indoctrinated...
It is the synthetic implants from the Lazarus project. IMO

Why do they appear as blue during the control and synthesis endings?

shepard's implants are red and only the very middle of shepard's eyes glow red in the control and synthesis endings your eyes are that of TIM's and saren's


as a side note is it worth mentioning that TIM by that point in the ending looks way more indoctronated then any other character ever? I mean by the end of the first game saren was obviously indoctronated but I don't recall him looking damn near husked until he turned into the frog enemy and kai leng I never noticed any reaper blue on him

[Sl4sh3r]

PDesign wrote...

Why do you people think the kid was a hallucination? Why just reapers can't use his appearance from Shepard's dreams?

This pic proves that kid is real

We don't think he was a hallucination the whole time.. This has been discussed already.

[iwillkillfortali]

PDesign wrote...

Why do you people think the kid was a hallucination? Why just reapers can't use his appearance from Shepard's dreams?

This pic proves that kid is real

What if that is someone else.

[Obidex]

Not sure if it is anything, but when you get up from Harbinger's boom laser you can shoot the soldier reaching out to you in the head..end his suffering. No where else is friendly fire possible...just something i noticed.

[balance5050]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Renegade Shepard has red eyes,guess that means Renegades are indoctrinated...
It is the synthetic implants from the Lazarus project. IMO

Red eyes have nothing to do with this theory, it's the blue eyes man... the blue eyes.

That makes sence because my renegade shepard chose to kill the power pipe and he lived.:innocent:

To me it appeared that a renegade Shep would fight indoctrination better than a parogon.

[De1ta G]

PDesign wrote...

Why do you people think the kid was a hallucination? Why just reapers can't use his appearance from Shepard's dreams?

This pic proves that kid is real

That pic only proves that they put a picture of that kid on that wall

[DHR107]

De1ta G wrote...

PDesign wrote...

Why do you people think the kid was a hallucination? Why just reapers can't use his appearance from Shepard's dreams?

This pic proves that kid is real

That pic only proves that they put a picture of that kid on that wall

Could just be imagining the picture as well...

[Pathero]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Pathero wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

I truly feel like I'm indoctrinated right now, going between cynicism and hope. I don't think my mind is my own right now. If by some miracle long shot that was Biowares plan, simply amazing.

The Kool Aid is mighty tasty isn't it?

Mostly just confusing...

Confusing but incredibly fun. 

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

GreatBandit wrote...

AM94 wrote...

If the ending is already on the disc and is so called "time stamped" if that is even possible, couldnt u just set your computer/console to a future date and it would activate the full ending, or am i just retarded, because that seems like the logical and obvious thing to do.

I don't think that will work since, supposedly, the ps3, and xbox version had 6gigs of extra stuff on it while the PC verion did not, so maybe that was to thwart those who would look?

Very interresting indeed ! , but wouldn't their also be a additional download to make what might be the true ending work.If true that's pretty smart to only include minimum audio/files for the pc , but completly ship everything with 360/PS3 version's. 

[De1ta G]

balance5050 wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Renegade Shepard has red eyes,guess that means Renegades are indoctrinated...
It is the synthetic implants from the Lazarus project. IMO

Red eyes have nothing to do with this theory, it's the blue eyes man... the blue eyes.

That makes sence because my renegade shepard chose to kill the power pipe and he lived.:innocent:

To me it appeared that a renegade Shep would fight indoctrination better than a parogon.

A renegade would because my main character(first playthrough) is full paragon and I was tricked into the Synthesis option. My renegade would have immeditately destroyed the reapers.

[iwillkillfortali]

De1ta G wrote...

PDesign wrote...

Why do you people think the kid was a hallucination? Why just reapers can't use his appearance from Shepard's dreams?

This pic proves that kid is real

That pic only proves that they put a picture of that kid on that wall

And they showed a salarian from the first game beta.

[Rip504]

Rifneno wrote...

No, we're asking you, because you made the counterargument that it's from the lazarus project.  It's up to you to support your argument.

O yea? Well we all know Shepard has synthetic parts. We all know Shepard has synthetic parts in Shepard's eyes due to Renegades... Hence It is the synthetics behind Shepard's eyes that are shown.


Shepard is the first organic to ever stand here,Yes in front of the
Godchild. That doesn't mean the room. Obviously human writing proves
organics were there,or how about the Crucible's design? It is designed
to plug into that port SPECIFICALLY,hence someone has seen this room
before.

Maybe whoever designed it,also created your
destroy and control consoles. Why do you think TIM KNOWS he can control
the Reapers? (Since Mars or even before this)Through the Prothean archives etc, which has info on this
room,Crucible and different options to deal with the Reapers.

[LenabotSE]

Pyewacket wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

"They are not obligated to write a whole thesis with evidence and extensive counter-arguments." They should if they want to be taken seriously, otherwise they are just trying to spread the pessimism to us.

Sorry, but I won't give the indoctrinated an inch.

Agreed.  We're (for the most part) offering up reasonable evidence to support this and they're just scrunching up their faces and going, " Un uh!  Bioware's just dumb."  It's so frustrating.

I also agree, which is why I believe the theory in the first place.  There are too many signs pointing to it.  However, the mounting frustration is starting to build up to a "screw you, gtfo" sentiment to anyone who disagrees on the basis of, well,  the strong likelihood that we're stuck with what we got based upon well... most video game release logic. 

The ending made no sense, but Battlestar Galactica and Lost both ending on the same nonsensical/insane/terrible notes.  So as much as I believe in the theory, I think people have been through this sort of situation before, and have learned to reign in their hopes because ofi t.  

That said, I couldn't have pieced together any sort of hallucination ending for BSG - which was just bad writing - so I definitely support the indoc. theory, even if it ends up never being outright confirmed.

Still, hostility is bad, yo.