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[De1ta G]

Ona Demonie wrote...

Not sure if pointed out, but:

Shepard is the Catalyst. The Starchild says he himself is the catalyst... yet when he talks about the new choices, he can't pick. So he lied/contradicted himself. Its a paradox. "I'm the catalyst! But I can't do anything...". Shepard is the one who does the doing, so he's the catalyst.

Thus! Why Harbringer needs Shepard alive.

[Repossessor]

The thing I always found weird about the kid at the beginning is that no-one on the overcrowded shuttle bothers to help the poor kid on board, he has to take great effort in crawling on-board himself - right next to the feet of several people facing his way. Heck even the marine that shuts the door conveniently misses him boarding, and those standing next to Shepard conveniently turn and not witness the kid either. If you watch the scene again, it does look like they went to great lengths to have Shepard, and only Shepard, see this kid.

[FryinHard]

the KID was real at one point. I mean the idea had to come from somewhere to have been able to be implanted in your head. So Shepard did see the KID and only remembered him because when all was said and done, he represented the innocence of humans and the hope for mankind to continue living. And Shepard needed fuel to continue as, he was most likely killed or at least thought to have been killed in the first assault by the Reapers on Earth. So after being hit with the beam minutes before, it was read by the Reapers to have been integral in swaying or bending Shepard’s resolve to their whims. So the next time you see the KID, if you’re fast enough and looking in the right place, is on the run up to the building you enter after you run out of ammo(being forced to melee husks). I find it interesting that the KID’s appearance spawns Reaper forces. So onto the very important next moment, which was actual interaction or contact with the KID. He flat out tells you “You cannot help me.” And then disappears, poof(since he no longer exists, except for being a subliminal device used against you). Also there was that, what people would call a growl, noise after being snapped out of interacting with the KID. This plays to things mentioned by Grayson in the novel about breaking indoctrination attempt. Ok, now we see him again out of place getting on a ship. Like many have pointed out, he is ignored by everyone… except the Reaper who laser blasts the shuttle he decides to get on. Yea no help from anyone, they might as well have closed the door on his legs. But again, KID appears and then Reaper activity. Plus if he is in control of the Reapers, he is basically saying shoot this shuttle down first to drive into Shepard’s mind that he had died and needs to fight for the KID.

[matthew220]

Anyone float this idea yet?

The reason why Joker's "running" the Normandy out of the system at the end is because the crucible went off and everyone wants to get out of dodge because they do not want to get stuck in a system who's only planet (Earth) is likely nearly uninhabitable given the damage sustained during the Reaper occupation.
 
I'm thinking that they will release a DLC where you play as Anderson or the Sniper from London, who correct me if I'm wrong is in cover by the beam during the "dream sequence" in London and you get to go up and set the catalyst off. You than would take over as one of your squad mates and "save Shepard" who wakes up (sans secret ending where he takes a breath) and they will fill in the gap regarding why your squad mates on the planet step off the crashed Normandy Shepard will wake up on the Normandy have the "deleted" father talk with Anderson.

The DLC will end after the Normandy crashes, but this time Shepard will be alive, and I would hazard a guess that he will be contacted or be able to make contact through the Normandy's quantum entangler all the planets/main characters to see how they ended up thus giving closure to the series. Also if you notice, the planet where they crash has two moons like the hidden scene at the end of the credits. My guess is that if they follow my hypothesis the camera will move into a close up and it will be a old shepherd talking to his grand daughter on the "Eden world." Joker crashed on, fulfilling Andersons talk and making fans with a LI happy.

Evidence to support this idea:

Tweets by staff mentioning to hold on to the Disc and pay attention to who gets off the Normandy at the end (they would tie up the Normandy running and crashing scene)

The Sniper (forgot his name) in cover by the Beam in London and being featured prominently in ads. I think they could also make a DLC where you play as the Asari in the the hospital on the citadel to tie in with the 'farm girl' ads.

All the arguments relating to the last few min being a dream or a hallucination .

Obvious lack of epilouge which every bioware game i've played has had and intentional plot holes that they can fill with optional DLC.  If you are a casual fan you will never need the DLC and be happy with the stock endings, where in if you are in it for the trilogy/care enough to post on this board and thus are more likely to buy dlc anyway, you get the "good ending" that could still be tied into war readiness/player choice. 

When they announce this DLC feel free to mail me a cookie. 

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

PDesign wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Or the kid was a real person but he was never in the vents and died in the initial attack.

He was

Maybe he died when the building blew up from the laser cannon.

Not so much he died but Shepard just barely just woke up.

[Niemack Saarinen]

Sharkey1337 wrote...

PDesign wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Or the kid was a real person but he was never in the vents and died in the initial attack.

He was

*image snipped*

WOW, I never saw the kid at that point! No way he could've survived that blast from the Reaper...right???

No way he could have survived let alone he walks towards the door and the door opens yet the LOCK remains locked the entire time the door opens- then closes and remains locked ---   Also another note: Thats not even the same area\\roof that Shep saw the kid playing on -- how did he end up there?  (Not real)

[CommanderSmacker]

De1ta G wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

Not sure if pointed out, but:

Shepard is the Catalyst. The Starchild says he himself is the catalyst... yet when he talks about the new choices, he can't pick. So he lied/contradicted himself. Its a paradox. "I'm the catalyst! But I can't do anything...". Shepard is the one who does the doing, so he's the catalyst.

Thus! Why Harbringer needs Shepard alive.

Then why would he shoot Shep with a beam!? Unless...unless it was used to indoctrinate him? Ohhh

[Diggsworth]

Has anyone considered that the actual ending is being saved for the Mass Effect movie?

[Golferguy758]

De1ta G wrote...

PDesign wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Or the kid was a real person but he was never in the vents and died in the initial attack.

He was

I'm guessing he used green space magic to get through that door...

Door is locked until kid gets there, immediately unlocks for him, he runs in, and door immediately locks behind him less than a second later.

Also, how did that kid get on the ledge?

[MadMax3395]

i woulda said no to the little bastard and fought it out. destroyed them

[Auresta]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Sharkey1337 wrote...

PDesign wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Or the kid was a real person but he was never in the vents and died in the initial attack.

He was

*image snipped*

WOW, I never saw the kid at that point! No way he could've survived that blast from the Reaper...right???

No way he could have survived let alone he walks towards the door and the door opens yet the LOCK remains locked the entire time the door opens- then closes and remains locked ---   Also another note: Thats not even the same arearoof that Shep saw the kid playing on -- how did he end up there?  (Not real)

Yeah just started my second playthrough and saw him. Tried to shoot him from afar. No luck.

[thePredator50]

http://www.gameranx....ies-conclusion/

Is it all for naught?

[Sparda Stonerule]

If this is true, and I really hope it is then my mind will be blown. I mean I kinda liked the endings at face value but this would be the ultimate of mind ****ery ever... and I would love it.

[Icinix]

Ona Demonie wrote...

Not sure if pointed out, but:

Shepard is the Catalyst. The Starchild says he himself is the catalyst... yet when he talks about the new choices, he can't pick. So he lied/contradicted himself. Its a paradox. "I'm the catalyst! But I can't do anything...". Shepard is the one who does the doing, so he's the catalyst.

..it works well if Shep is indeed indoctrinated and / or battling against his own subconcious.

The catalyst / crucible at the end could all be a test to make sure the person who activates it is not indoctrainted...

Wait..that works....the whole end scene is one test for Shepard that is the crucible testing Shepard before giving him the power to choose...as a method to make sure only someone willing to end the Reaper threat has the ability to fire it....

[Danilo Luis]

I just really want something to happen asap, cause the waiting is killing me... My life off work has being looking in BSN from time to time and hit f5 every 5 mins in this thread...

[oyukichan]

De1ta G wrote...

PDesign wrote...

Sajuro wrote...
Or the kid was a real person but he was never in the vents and died in the initial attack.

He was

*snip*

I'm guessing he used green space magic to get through that door...

And to get up on that balcony in the first place? He was playing in a garden on the roof of a building in the beginning of the game. I don't see a garden on top of that building.

[De1ta G]

CommanderSmacker wrote...

De1ta G wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

Not sure if pointed out, but:

Shepard is the Catalyst. The Starchild says he himself is the catalyst... yet when he talks about the new choices, he can't pick. So he lied/contradicted himself. Its a paradox. "I'm the catalyst! But I can't do anything...". Shepard is the one who does the doing, so he's the catalyst.

Thus! Why Harbringer needs Shepard alive.

Then why would he shoot Shep with a beam!? Unless...unless it was used to indoctrinate him? Ohhh

If that beam from Harbringer actually hit Shepard. There wouldn't be anything left of Shepard but ashes. So he isn't directly. Just gets knocked out and severely wounded.

[George789]

Possibly something to support the hallucination/indoctrination theory, though this is a long shot, is the parallel to Greek mythology. There are clear references to the realm of Hades, the Greek underworld, which is not a physical place, but a realm occupied by spirits of the dead. Cerberus, the guardian on the far side of the River Acheron (river of pain and sorrow, possibly represented by the path to the conduit), Charon (name of the Sol System mass relay) who was the ferryman across the river to Hades (Hades Cannon from the start of the Earth mission). There are 3 'judges' in the palace in Hades, possibly represented by Anderson, TIM, and the God Child. The judges could send a soul to 1 of 3 places: Asphodel for neutral, Tartarus for evil, and Elysium for good. "Lesser spirits" would also surround the hero, similar to the ghost-like figures in Shepard's visions. Also, leaving the realm of Hades was something only a great heroic figure could do.

It seems to me that after so many parallels, similarities, and references to Hades, it is atleast believable that the journey to Shepard's 'Hades' could be his ongoing indoctrination. He must cross the river, deal with Cerberus, face the judges, and then ascend out of it all (possibly the Destroy option, since he lives).

However, it is also possible that I am completely off-base and talking non-sense. There are many ways to interpret it all, and it is certainly a longshot, but I saw no harm in bringing it up.

[Deltateam Elcor]

thePredator50 wrote...

http://www.gameranx....ies-conclusion/

Is it all for naught?

Considering that he is no longer apart of the team and the team themselves are just dodging the question, id say there is nothing relevant there.

As far as im concerned, until the questions are answered, then all things coming out of official mouths is just PR.

[De1ta G]

Icinix wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

Not sure if pointed out, but:

Shepard is the Catalyst. The Starchild says he himself is the catalyst... yet when he talks about the new choices, he can't pick. So he lied/contradicted himself. Its a paradox. "I'm the catalyst! But I can't do anything...". Shepard is the one who does the doing, so he's the catalyst.

..it works well if Shep is indeed indoctrinated and / or battling against his own subconcious.

The catalyst / crucible at the end could all be a test to make sure the person who activates it is not indoctrainted...

Wait..that works....the whole end scene is one test for Shepard that is the crucible testing Shepard before giving him the power to choose...as a method to make sure only someone willing to end the Reaper threat has the ability to fire it....

Hence the definition of crucible. A test or trial.

Modifié par De1ta G, 14 mars 2012 - 01:07 .

[Little Lummo]

Anybody else having problems with the Mass Effect server?

[oyukichan]

Repossessor wrote...
The thing I always found weird about the kid at the beginning is that no-one on the overcrowded shuttle bothers to help the poor kid on board, he has to take great effort in crawling on-board himself - right next to the feet of several people facing his way. Heck even the marine that shuts the door conveniently misses him boarding, and those standing next to Shepard conveniently turn and not witness the kid either. If you watch the scene again, it does look like they went to great lengths to have Shepard, and only Shepard, see this kid.

^This. This has been bothering me since the very first time I ever saw it. Why does no one help the kid onto the shuttle? Because at this point, Shep is imagining him. Or people really don't like kids.

[Prince Keldar]

theratking wrote...

I am an idiot. Discount everything i said about singularity

Hey your still here too.  lol

[Ecmoose]

PDesign wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Or the kid was a real person but he was never in the vents and died in the initial attack.

He was

Except there's no way he could have survived the attack that blows the building up in the next few seconds. The vent he's in
1) Has an "Electrified do not touch" sign next to it
2) Is in direct line of sight with the Reaper laser beam that destroys the building.

Yet the kid is unscathed.

Maybe he ran into the building, but anytime after that he's just a hallucination.

[Auresta]

Ecmoose wrote...

PDesign wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Or the kid was a real person but he was never in the vents and died in the initial attack.

He was

Except there's no way he could have survived the attack that blows the building up in the next few seconds. The vent he's in
1) Has an "Electrified do not touch" sign next to it
2) Is in direct line of sight with the Reaper laser beam that destroys the building.

Yet the kid is unscathed.

Maybe he ran into the building, but anytime after that he's just a hallucination.

Maybe it's oversight. But I'm inclined to believe it's all a part of Bioware's master plan.