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[Ormeriel]

prizm123 wrote...

personally i think Shepard died with Anderson after killing TIM, the Crucible worked, but we dont know how, and everything after the conversation with Anderson was a life passing before your eyes moment

it would explain how everyone is on the Normandy too, even the ones with Shepard in London (who i believe are also dead after the Reaper landed as they were heading towards the beam)

But that doesn't explain the post-credits video where shepard is still breathing, in earth/london looking rubbles with his N7 armor, that he does NOT wear in the citadel part.

The ONLY way to explain this is that he is waking up from that "hallucination" and saying "F...No, I am NOT dying here hallucinating, we are finishing this, here and NOW!"

[FugitiveMind]

krystalevenstar wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

humes spork wrote...

Though on the other hand, if there's an Indoctrination device onboard the Normandy, surely to god EDI would have been able to detect infrasonic transmissions on the ship.

Well, maybe. Or maybe not. If EDI had Reaper code within her, she may not have been able to recognize it on the Normandy. Or, to take into a darker direction, if she was indoctrinated herself, then the theory can also be made to work.

Maybe EVA, the body EDI inhabits, is the Reaper tech. Maybe TIM specifically knows that Shepard will intercept EVA on Mars and uses that to 'plant' her on the Normandy, silently indoctrinating throughout the game. I know when she ran at Shep after attacking Kaiden that she sure looked husk-like. Plus the comments from Vega would be after her body was on the ship...

Only issue with that is it doesn't cover any of the rest of the "new" crew members (miscellaneous people, helmsmen, war room people, cortez, traynor).
If Vega is the only person hearing the hum, then logic dictates it had to have started before he got there.

Am I really arguing "theoretical logic"? Yup, the logic for this theory states the above

[lookingglassmind]

A little off-topic, so I won't dwell, but I have suddenly been struck by this:

All of this makes me... feel really... bad for Shepard. Like... s/he's invoking feelings in me that are similar to how I saw Frodo in LOTR. Someone with a unfathomable burden, one that would break almost anyone else. The exhaustion and cost that it extracts from her/him is a crime against humanity. And, even still, at the very end of it, his/her body broken, her mind reeling... when Hackett comes over the radio to ask about the state of the Crucible, Shepard's immediate reaction is: "What... what do you need me to do?"

The ending is brutal. Just brutal.

[littleork]

@Hanabii

It has been the third time that i see this post on this thread, are u updating it everytime you sent it or you are using it as a bumping method? just curious

[lavosslayer]

FugitiveMind wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

humes spork wrote...

Though on the other hand, if there's an Indoctrination device onboard the Normandy, surely to god EDI would have been able to detect infrasonic transmissions on the ship.

Well, maybe. Or maybe not. If EDI had Reaper code within her, she may not have been able to recognize it on the Normandy. Or, to take into a darker direction, if she was indoctrinated herself, then the theory can also be made to work.

Maybe EVA, the body EDI inhabits, is the Reaper tech. Maybe TIM specifically knows that Shepard will intercept EVA on Mars and uses that to 'plant' her on the Normandy, silently indoctrinating throughout the game. I know when she ran at Shep after attacking Kaiden that she sure looked husk-like. Plus the comments from Vega would be after her body was on the ship...

Only issue with that is it doesn't cover any of the rest of the "new" crew members (miscellaneous people, helmsmen, war room people, cortez, traynor).
If Vega is the only person hearing the hum, then logic dictates it had to have started before he got there.

Am I really arguing "theoretical logic"? Yup, the logic for this theory states the above

We already established though that everyone else in the crew was already on the ship doing the refit so it would make sense...

[mupp3tz]

Hanabil, while it's really nice to have your contribution, there's no need to spam your long,, long post over and over again.

[Calavan]

I had Garrus and Javik with me and Javik left the crashed normandy in the final scene (along with Joker and Liara (my LI)). I initially thought this was just a gaffe; that Bioware didn't take into account who was in my party when they made the cutscene, but it sounds like it's happened a lot: that in that last scene one of the 'normandy survivors' is a squadmate from the Earth assault levels. Has this been the case for everyone? Because if that's intentional, and not a mistake, then that tells us something.

Obviously Bioware would know that it doesn't make any sense to put a squadmate who was just with you on the Normandy so if it was intentional, and not a gaffe, then Bioware is trying to tell us either:

1) You were unconscious longer than you thought and your squadmates retreated and had time to get back to the normandy while you were 'dead' from Harbinger's beam OR

2) The crash sequence is not real.

Given all the other evidence people have mentioned suggesting it's a hallucination, and the fact that your squadmates abandoning you rather than pushing forward after you fall doesn't really make sense, this seems like more evidence that Bioware is leaving us clues that the ending is not what it seems.

Unlike some people I'm not sold that there has to be DLC. There could be, but after the 'From Ashes' debacle it seems like they would get a huge ****storm of **** raining down on them if they release the 'ending' right after releasing the game. Instead, I think it's more likely that they chalk the ending up to 'open for interpretation' and then if a proper ending is released, it'll be much farther down the line. This gives Bioware the advantage of extending the life of the game, AND ensures that the maximum number of fans can get the initial experience before they let the cat out of the bag (if they plan on doing that).

[keginkc]

Interesting thread. I don't think there's anything to it, and think we probably have all the endings we ever will, but it's fascinating nonetheless.

[humes spork]

krystalevenstar wrote...

Maybe EVA, the body EDI inhabits, is the Reaper tech. Maybe TIM specifically knows that Shepard will intercept EVA on Mars and uses that to 'plant' her on the Normandy, silently indoctrinating throughout the game. I know when she ran at Shep after attacking Kaiden that she sure looked husk-like. Plus the comments from Vega would be after her body was on the ship...

It's a stretch, but it certainly makes sense. It would certainly explain how Joker and his zettabytes of porn went all robosexual out of nowhere, and explain EDI's odd changes in behavior and why she never said anything about infrasound if indeed there was an Indoctrination device on the Normandy.

And how there's a hyper-agile infiltration synthetic out of nowhere when there's no precedent for it in the Mass Effect universe.

[Hanabii]

You are right, I am sort of using it as a shameless bump. I feel sorry for the writers of Bioware because I think this is the direction they are going so I'm trying to get my theory viewed by many people to help calm things down so Bioware can work.

I would like to actually discuss other peoples thoughts on my theory.

Link

Modifié par Hanabii, 11 mars 2012 - 04:15 .

[FugitiveMind]

lookingglassmind wrote...

Bacusan wrote...

Mmmhh not sure this would happen. In what form are we expected to play the game After the hallucination passes?
A free DLC? a paid DLC?
what's the deal of having the ending in a separate package. It would be like going to a restaurant ordering all your favorite food and getting onle bread to eat.
As with everyone else, I sure hope you guys are right and I'm wrong -because those lousy endings should be fixed- but I don't see it really happening

Well, Jess M. from BioWare has been quoted as saying that the community may have reacted without knowing all of the facts, so... I am hopeful.

The only thing I have to say is if we don't have all the facts, it's not our fault.

We bought a full shrink wrapped released game in a package from a store (or the download version, whatever) which usually means a complete product.

If there's something we don't know it's because we haven't been told. The other thread is almost 700 pages of people wanting to be told so it isn't like we haven't been listening. Either tell us what we don't know or stop wringing your hands saying we don't know it...

That's really the ownly irritation I have right now... the rest is just sadness and disillusionment

[keginkc]

I had Garrus and Javik with me and Javik left the crashed normandy in the final scene (along with Joker and Liara (my LI)). I initially thought this was just a gaffe; that Bioware didn't take into account who was in my party when they made the cutscene, but it sounds like it's happened a lot: that in that last scene one of the 'normandy survivors' is a squadmate from the Earth assault levels. Has this been the case for everyone? Because if that's intentional, and not a mistake, then that tells us something.

I did the ending twice just to see the differences.  When I did synthesis it was Joker, EDI and Tali (LI) and when I did destroy it was Joker, Tali and Javik, who I hadn't used at all since Thessia.

[humes spork]

lavosslayer wrote...

We already established though that everyone else in the crew was already on the ship doing the refit so it would make sense...

No, there's a point there. If Eva were the source of the Reaper tech, then it follows none of the people involved in the Normandy refit would have been previously exposed to it. If the Reaper tech or an Indoctrination device came from another source, then EDI would have known about it even if the crew themselves never found it and undoubtedly said something to someone

[Evindell]

www.technologytell.com/gaming/90335/fans-rage-against-mass-effect-3s-ending-and-demand-something-better/

[lookingglassmind]

keginkc wrote...

I did the ending twice just to see the differences.  When I did synthesis it was Joker, EDI and Tali (LI) and when I did destroy it was Joker, Tali and Javik, who I hadn't used at all since Thessia.

The first makes sense, in that all of those characters represent Synthesis in some way. But Destroy is a little harder to fathom, as I had Joker, Kaidan (LI), and Garrus (who was with me in the final rush at Harby).

[Archeron Smith]

could bioware have done this so as to protect their masterpiece from unscrupulous people leaking and spoiling something really special (a truly "epic" ending) for the people who have invested so much time into their story?

[rogueagent6]

One more thing to add regarding the possibility of an indoctrination device aboard the Normandy, there is a whole section on the port side that you can't get to.

[krystalevenstar]

lookingglassmind wrote...

A little off-topic, so I won't dwell, but I have suddenly been struck by this:

All of this makes me... feel really... bad for Shepard. Like... s/he's invoking feelings in me that are similar to how I saw Frodo in LOTR. Someone with a unfathomable burden, one that would break almost anyone else. The exhaustion and cost that it extracts from her/him is a crime against humanity. And, even still, at the very end of it, his/her body broken, her mind reeling... when Hackett comes over the radio to ask about the state of the Crucible, Shepard's immediate reaction is: "What... what do you need me to do?"

The ending is brutal. Just brutal.

I felt this too, it was crushing how she jumped when Hackett calls her. Plus dat last convo with Kaiden before the fight, OMF it's crushing. Jennifer Hale did such an amazing job with her voicework in this one, the way her voice is cracking and breaking while she tells him that he better be there waiting for her after this is over, oh my god.

That leads me to another supporting theory for all of this. Mass Effect has always been about hope and the hopelessness of all of these endings just makes it seem more to me that it's not finished yet.

[DifferentD17]

humes spork wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

Maybe EVA, the body EDI inhabits, is the Reaper tech. Maybe TIM specifically knows that Shepard will intercept EVA on Mars and uses that to 'plant' her on the Normandy, silently indoctrinating throughout the game. I know when she ran at Shep after attacking Kaiden that she sure looked husk-like. Plus the comments from Vega would be after her body was on the ship...

It's a stretch, but it certainly makes sense. It would certainly explain how Joker and his zettabytes of porn went all robosexual out of nowhere, and explain EDI's odd changes in behavior and why she never said anything about infrasound if indeed there was an Indoctrination device on the Normandy.

And how there's a hyper-agile infiltration synthetic out of nowhere when there's no precedent for it in the Mass Effect universe.

EDI did have some trouble trying to overwrite EVA, maybe there is a bit of EVA left or maybe EVA attached something to EDI before being overwritten.

[lookingglassmind]

rogueagent6 wrote...

One more thing to add regarding the possibility of an indoctrination device aboard the Normandy, there is a whole section on the port side that you can't get to.

Hang on, back the bus up... what? Where? *can't believe she didn't notice this*

[Lparsons7641]

The more I read this the more I want to believe!

The things that get me a second time through the ending are.

1. Where in the citadel are we? It makes no physical sense
2. How the heck is the Illusive Man here?
3. How is Anderson here?


I think it's indoctrination.

[lavosslayer]

humes spork wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

We already established though that everyone else in the crew was already on the ship doing the refit so it would make sense...

No, there's a point there. If Eva were the source of the Reaper tech, then it follows none of the people involved in the Normandy refit would have been previously exposed to it. If the Reaper tech or an Indoctrination device came from another source, then EDI would have known about it even if the crew themselves never found it and undoubtedly said something to someone

I see your point and raise you a question of why wouldn't EDI detect the Reaper Tech in the cyber body when it was brought on board the Normandy?

[k8ee]

@krystalevenstar
Yes, hope. That has always been a big thing, especially in this game, and really there is no hope with the endings presented to us.

[krystalevenstar]

keginkc wrote...

I had Garrus and Javik with me and Javik left the crashed normandy in the final scene (along with Joker and Liara (my LI)). I initially thought this was just a gaffe; that Bioware didn't take into account who was in my party when they made the cutscene, but it sounds like it's happened a lot: that in that last scene one of the 'normandy survivors' is a squadmate from the Earth assault levels. Has this been the case for everyone? Because if that's intentional, and not a mistake, then that tells us something.

I did the ending twice just to see the differences.  When I did synthesis it was Joker, EDI and Tali (LI) and when I did destroy it was Joker, Tali and Javik, who I hadn't used at all since Thessia.

Same here except replace Tali with Kaiden (LI). When I saw Javik I was very confused, since I had only used him once, on accident really, the mission to find Victus' son. Destroy and Control were Joker, Kaiden, and Javik, and Synthesize was Joker, EDI, and Kaiden. Cute little scene for Joker and EDI though.

[DifferentD17]

rogueagent6 wrote...

One more thing to add regarding the possibility of an indoctrination device aboard the Normandy, there is a whole section on the port side that you can't get to.

You mean were Jacob used to be?