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This theory and this theory aswell (http://m.fanfiction.net/s/7920772/1/ theory) are absolutely brilliant. If these were true, Bioware are diabolical geniuses. Either there is a way to unlock more different endings or if they want to be really diabolic, release it as a DLC. I hope this theory becomes a reality so that it quells the anger of fans moaning about the ambiguous ending.

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ceruleancrescent wrote...

CommanderSmacker wrote...

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Sajuro wrote...

Or the kid was a real person but he was never in the vents and died in the initial attack.

He was

(snip)


Except there's no way he could have survived the attack that blows the building up in the next few seconds. The vent he's in
1) Has an "Electrified do not touch" sign next to it
2) Is in direct line of sight with the Reaper laser beam that destroys the building.

Yet the kid is unscathed.

Maybe he ran into the building, but anytime after that he's just a hallucination.


So when he says "You can't help me." LoL because he's dead at that point Posted Image


Also why would they go to all the trouble to show the kid there on the balcony and entering the building when one could just assume he got into the building and was hiding in the vent beforehand.
But when you then take into consideration that the reaper blast blows apart anything in there and that the vent has a "do not enter, vent electrified"  sign right next to it, why would they go through the trouble to show him entering the building before the explosion and why would they bother putting the sign near the vent if the scene wasn't supposed to be questioned?
I don't know if I'm saying this right, but it was what I was thinking.


Of note its interesting how the Husks are totally focused on the kid - and indeed when Shep stops the Husk - the Reaper feels the need to take out the building.

They seem pretty keen to take out that kid.

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Lolager wrote...

This theory and this theory aswell (http://m.fanfiction.net/s/7920772/1/ theory) are absolutely brilliant. If these were true, Bioware are diabolical geniuses. Either there is a way to unlock more different endings or if they want to be really diabolic, release it as a DLC. I hope this theory becomes a reality so that it quells the anger of fans moaning about the ambiguous ending.

Well we can't help ourselves..:wizard:

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LenabotSE wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

So I have a message from a friend of mine who was looking at the save editor that was released. He has beaten the game but all his save files are listed as not finished.

The three end game states are: out in a blaze of glory, not finished, and live to fight another day


I think I recall seeing a "live to fight another day" save editor screen cap earlier in the thread - somewhere back there in the abyss.  I think that referred to the Destroy ending.  Can you ask your friend which endings he took to get each save type? 


If not already adressed, Synthesis also flags as "Lived to Fight Again" for NG+.

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Diggsworth wrote...

LenabotSE wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

So I have a message from a friend of mine who was looking at the save editor that was released. He has beaten the game but all his save files are listed as not finished.

The three end game states are: out in a blaze of glory, not finished, and live to fight another day


I think I recall seeing a "live to fight another day" save editor screen cap earlier in the thread - somewhere back there in the abyss.  I think that referred to the Destroy ending.  Can you ask your friend which endings he took to get each save type? 


If not already adressed, Synthesis also flags as "Lived to Fight Again" for NG+.


i'm abotu to check my control ending

Results...most likely expected

[edit] Also flagged as live to fight again. 

Modifié par Golferguy758, 14 mars 2012 - 01:47 .


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Small thing that might help build that everything in the end sequence is from familiar parts of Sheps mind:

- No one knows what the Crucible actually does... and it is never explained other than "space magic"
- In response to not knowing what the Crucible does, Hacket makes an observation about scientists in WW2 possibly thinking a nuclear bomb could have ignited the atmosphere.

Basically, the game never explains how the Crucible really works because Shepard has no clue and nothing to really base it off of (he is no scientist, how would he have any knowledge on rewriting DNA or frying only Synthetic tech, r controlling such tech?). So it just... works. Except in one possible ending, the earth is absolutely devastated in something eerily similar to the fear Hackett mentions.

Don't know if it means much. Just food for thought.

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Just two images I found interesting from the artbook.

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And

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Second one is especially interesting given the description.

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pics broken

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Golferguy758 wrote...

Diggsworth wrote...

LenabotSE wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

So I have a message from a friend of mine who was looking at the save editor that was released. He has beaten the game but all his save files are listed as not finished.

The three end game states are: out in a blaze of glory, not finished, and live to fight another day


I think I recall seeing a "live to fight another day" save editor screen cap earlier in the thread - somewhere back there in the abyss.  I think that referred to the Destroy ending.  Can you ask your friend which endings he took to get each save type? 


If not already adressed, Synthesis also flags as "Lived to Fight Again" for NG+.


i'm abotu to check my control ending

Results...most likely expected

[edit] Also flagged as live to fight again. 


Bumping because this is important.

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Golferguy758 wrote...

So I have a message from a friend of mine who was looking at the save editor that was released. He has beaten the game but all his save files are listed as not finished.

The three end game states are: out in a blaze of glory, not finished, and live to fight another day


Holy ****, is this for real? Definitely proof for incoming DLC ending. XD

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Descedent wrote...

pics broken


Imgur hates BSN. Just add www.

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Auresta wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Diggsworth wrote...

LenabotSE wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

So I have a message from a friend of mine who was looking at the save editor that was released. He has beaten the game but all his save files are listed as not finished.

The three end game states are: out in a blaze of glory, not finished, and live to fight another day


I think I recall seeing a "live to fight another day" save editor screen cap earlier in the thread - somewhere back there in the abyss.  I think that referred to the Destroy ending.  Can you ask your friend which endings he took to get each save type? 


If not already adressed, Synthesis also flags as "Lived to Fight Again" for NG+.


i'm abotu to check my control ending

Results...most likely expected

[edit] Also flagged as live to fight again. 


Bumping because this is important.


No it isnt, the new game plus will obviously be flagged as that, you cant exactly play before the ending if you're dead.

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Golferguy758 wrote...

Diggsworth wrote...

LenabotSE wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

So I have a message from a friend of mine who was looking at the save editor that was released. He has beaten the game but all his save files are listed as not finished.

The three end game states are: out in a blaze of glory, not finished, and live to fight another day


I think I recall seeing a "live to fight another day" save editor screen cap earlier in the thread - somewhere back there in the abyss.  I think that referred to the Destroy ending.  Can you ask your friend which endings he took to get each save type? 


If not already adressed, Synthesis also flags as "Lived to Fight Again" for NG+.


i'm abotu to check my control ending

Results...most likely expected

[edit] Also flagged as live to fight again. 


DUHN DUHN DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...

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So, what are we lookin' at here?

Destroy: Live to Fight Another Day
All NG+ scenarios: Live to Fight Another Day
Everything else: The other two

So is that what they meant by the secret NG+ ending? If you play through twice, no matter your choice, you might get a special ending as a reward? Waking up from indoctrination before it's too late?

Modifié par LenabotSE, 14 mars 2012 - 01:54 .


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I just got an Mass Effect 3 automatic update through origins.

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Marius S. Moe ‏ @Speiderspeider · Open
@masseffect It is! I am a paragon, definately, but sometimes a renegade option is just more "right", if you know what i mean?
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@speiderspeider Oh we know what you mean!
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hmm...mean anything?

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May be it was before, but how does Shepard talk and hear radio without helmet?

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theratking wrote...

Marius S. Moe ‏ @Speiderspeider · Open
@masseffect It is! I am a paragon, definately, but sometimes a renegade option is just more "right", if you know what i mean?
Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect Close
@speiderspeider Oh we know what you mean!
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hmm...mean anything?

What a TWIST!:D

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If you're just hoping back into the thread, a portion of us theorists have moved to a more neutral and controlled environment to continue discussion of the indoctrination theory. If you'd like to join us, PM me and I can direct you over to our new home.

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There's almost 400 pages of great theory here for the Indoctrination ending, but there really only needs to be one paragraph that explains it all. One piece of clear, hard evidence:

The Destroy ending. When Shepard takes a breath, covered in rubble. Concrete and stone, NONE of that you see on the Citadel. Not only that, how would Shepard survive a fall from orbit? S/he's done it before: she didn't survive that time.

I didn't think about it before. I fought the Indoctrination theory because I have a very hard time with conspiracy theories in general, but after thinking about it, that scene alone tells me there's more going on here than meets the eye: and the Indoctrination theory is the best answer to that question I've gotten so far.

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Sharkey1337 wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

So I have a message from a friend of mine who was looking at the save editor that was released. He has beaten the game but all his save files are listed as not finished.

The three end game states are: out in a blaze of glory, not finished, and live to fight another day


Holy ****, is this for real? Definitely proof for incoming DLC ending. XD


We don't know if these are Gibbed's own names for the outcomes/data or if its from the game's script/code itself. Also, read the posts above you.

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iwillkillfortali wrote...

I just got an Mass Effect 3 automatic update through origins.

What is it?

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theratking wrote...

Marius S. Moe ‏ @Speiderspeider · Open
@masseffect It is! I am a paragon, definately, but sometimes a renegade option is just more "right", if you know what i mean?
Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect Close
@speiderspeider Oh we know what you mean!
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hmm...mean anything?


too vague

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iwillkillfortali wrote...

I just got an Mass Effect 3 automatic update through origins.


I did a manual update and got a small 25mb -ish update. Wonder what it is.

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theratking wrote...

Marius S. Moe ‏ @Speiderspeider · Open
@masseffect It is! I am a paragon, definately, but sometimes a renegade option is just more "right", if you know what i mean?
Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect Close
@speiderspeider Oh we know what you mean!
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9:39 PM - 13 Mar 12 via HootSuite · Details

hmm...mean anything?


Cryptic answer is cryptic. Coudl refer to the "renegade"choice at the end, or the renegade choices throughout the game. i.e. Kai Leng interrupt. Shooting Udina