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[byne]

Ravax wrote...

Hey, Casey gave a response regarding the endings:

Check this thread:

http://social.biowar...5/index/9900809

If what we see in the endings actually happened, I dont see where there's any room for interpretation, like he seems to believe there is.

On the other hand, it its all a hallucination...

I should stop getting my hopes up.

Anyhow, stopped in to say tomorrow I'll probly take a look at all the PMs I've gotten, and see what's worthy of being edited into the front page.

Hmm. Saying that I'm deciding what's worthy and isnt makes me feel like I have too much of an ego.

Meh.



I AM THE THREAD MASTER, I DECIDE WHAT LIVES AND DIES, WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE AND WHAT ISNT, BOW BEFORE ME.

Modifié par byne, 14 mars 2012 - 03:36 .

[ArkkAngel007]

NeoMan5 wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

NeoMan5 wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

From the codex:

"Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind"

1. James comments on a hum when you speak to him asking "Is it just me?"
2. Ghostly presences as well as voices are seen/heard in Shepard's dreams
3. The same trees from Shepard's dreams are seen when they get up after being blasted by Harbinger and going towards the Crucible

Based on this, I'm all for the Hallucation/Indoctrination theory.

Those trees are there on the approach as well and don't just "show up" after you get blown away.

Um no they are not

Yes, they are:
http://oi40.tinypic.com/2nib18o.jpg

Not in the place where they are in the post-blast though.  Last time I checked, trees only transplant themselves in the fantasy world.

[Golferguy758]

Heh so Jessica is actually responding to me a bunch. Amusing. That makes me feel better

[JediNg]

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

So I have a message from a friend of mine who was looking at the save editor that was released. He has beaten the game but all his save files are listed as not finished.

The three end game states are: out in a blaze of glory, not finished, and live to fight another day

http://t1ak.roblox.com/aa90d924293ad1409f13a02610d45451
you can have my win, ALLLLLL OF IT!!!!

You may have to take that back, he didn't give me all the information. sorry haha

Slasher, what ending did you choose?

*takes back win'*

Need to do Blasto's "nooooooo" since this is ME3

[ArkkAngel007]

byne wrote...

Ravax wrote...

Hey, Casey gave a response regarding the endings:

Check this thread:

http://social.biowar...5/index/9900809

It what we see in the endings actually happened, I dont see where there's any room for interpretation, like he seems to believe there is.

On the other hand, it its all a hallucination...

I should stop getting my hopes up.

Anyhow, stopped in to say tomorrow I'll probly take a look at all the PMs I've gotten, and see what's worthy of being edited into the front page.

Hmm. Saying that I'm deciding what's worthy and isnt makes me feel like I have too much of an ego.

Meh.



I AM THE THREAD MASTER, I DECIDE WHAT LIVES AND DIES, WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE AND WHAT ISNT, BOW BEFORE ME.

Oh dear...it's reached Byne....ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL 

[Super G]

balance5050 wrote...

Super G wrote...

I don't know if this has already been raised but I'm going to mention it anyway.
The 2 endings where Shep dies would make it impossible for DLC to make any logical sense involving Shepard as he is dead unless of course this was a figment of imagination too...
Which then means the only way you can play the DLC is if you chose to "destroy" which leaves a huge gap in the thousands of players who did not chose this option.
So for me the idea of follow on content is very unlikely.
Rather it just seems the writers didn't do a very good job of wrapping things up.

Theres a quicksave right before the end, if they get indoctrinated the first time they can just reload and make the "right" choice.

I guess my game didn't do that because the only saves I now have is one from Thessia and one from after completing the game...Regardless I feel uncomfortable with the idea of a trilogy ending with  forced decision. Even if it was all to make the player really feel the reality of what indoctrination would be like I can't help but feel like any ending now would feel disjointed or lackluster in some way.

[Golferguy758]

Also, @JessicaMerizan @AlexTravaligno Destruction: mission first. But should've confronted the kid instead. Shep went meekly into the night.

Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan Close
@AlexTravaligno are you sure he went meekly into the night?

cryptic message is still cryptic

[Ravax]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Heh so Jessica is actually responding to me a bunch. Amusing. That makes me feel better

What is she saying?

(P.S. considering your name, ill go ahead and assume you'll know what i'm talking about: I bought the titleist MB 712 set, amazing blades!!!! I like to show them off hahahahaha)

[MaroonMoore93]

BiNGEaNiNjA wrote...
Given Javik's description of the Prothean's abilities he would have picked up something like that.

This doesn't mean Shepard was not fighting against his own doubts, PTSD, and blood loss in the end which caused a hallucination 

This much, we agree upon. I mean, Javik melds with Shepard's mind(or what have you) multiple times. He and Victory(the Prothean VI) would have picked up on indoctrination. I think people are starting to take the dream theory a little too far...

Handren wrote...

Posting here for the first time since ME2 days to say I fully support this. I simply wanted to uppercut the starchild and say: JUST WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK I AM!?

And tell him about how I made peace with the geth and he's full of crap. I really want there to be a new ending DLC.

For those who wanted shepard to die, and feel it is appropos, that is fine, but at least respect those who want other options. Why must we either die or leave the galaxy and so many species in such a horrible state?! There MUST be another way. That is what ME is all about. There is always another option.

I was waiting for that option to pop up. Then the game exited dialouge mode and I looked around frantically and moved VERY unsurely to control.
 

Modifié par MaroonMoore93, 14 mars 2012 - 03:39 .

[Little Lummo]

Was just looking at the trees in the first dream as i'm playing, and they look exactly the same as the one behind you at the Conduit, just bigger.

[kent80082006]

Super G wrote...

I don't know if this has already been raised but I'm going to mention it anyway.
The 2 endings where Shep dies would make it impossible for DLC to make any logical sense involving Shepard as he is dead unless of course this was a figment of imagination too...
Which then means the only way you can play the DLC is if you chose to "destroy" which leaves a huge gap in the thousands of players who did not chose this option.
So for me the idea of follow on content is very unlikely.
Rather it just seems the writers didn't do a very good job of wrapping things up.

It's all speculations but I think if you choose the other two options you will get some sort of cgi which wraps up the story, the story ends there for them. If you choose destroy, however, you can continue to fight.

We are asking for diversified ending here, we want our choices to affect the endings, if we complain about different choices getting different treatment then we're no better than a bunch of hypocrites who don't know what we really want

[panamakira]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

NeoMan5 wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

From the codex:

"Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind"

1. James comments on a hum when you speak to him asking "Is it just me?"
2. Ghostly presences as well as voices are seen/heard in Shepard's dreams
3. The same trees from Shepard's dreams are seen when they get up after being blasted by Harbinger and going towards the Crucible

Based on this, I'm all for the Hallucation/Indoctrination theory.

Those trees are there on the approach as well and don't just "show up" after you get blown away.

Um no they are not

Yeah I remember I checked today because I didn't remember seeing a tree by the citadel beam of light when I was running towards it. When you approach it there's only either small trees off to the distance or small burned bushes on the edges. The moment you wake up there's a small tree to Shep's left. Big enough to stand out in the scenery.

[ArkkAngel007]

kent80082006 wrote...

Super G wrote...

I don't know if this has already been raised but I'm going to mention it anyway.
The 2 endings where Shep dies would make it impossible for DLC to make any logical sense involving Shepard as he is dead unless of course this was a figment of imagination too...
Which then means the only way you can play the DLC is if you chose to "destroy" which leaves a huge gap in the thousands of players who did not chose this option.
So for me the idea of follow on content is very unlikely.
Rather it just seems the writers didn't do a very good job of wrapping things up.

It's all speculations but I think if you choose the other two options you will get some sort of cgi which wraps up the story, the story ends there for them. If you choose destroy, however, you can continue to fight.

We are asking for diversified ending here, we want our choices to affect the endings, if we complain about different choices getting different treatment then we're no better than a bunch of hypocrites who don't know what we really want

You just unlocked the secret to the BSNverse.  Congrats.

[Golferguy758]

Ravax wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Heh so Jessica is actually responding to me a bunch. Amusing. That makes me feel better

What is she saying?

(P.S. considering your name, ill go ahead and assume you'll know what i'm talking about: I bought the titleist MB 712 set, amazing blades!!!! I like to show them off hahahahaha)

I mentioned the article/interview Casey had and she asked why I felt like it was a stab in the gut, explained why, no response yet, but NDA probably prevents it. So it is what it is.

Also, very Nice, I use my Mizuno MP53s. Plan on going to Q-school next year, so I've been busting my ass 4 hours a day after work. Hopefully make it semi-big haha.

[Sl4sh3r]

This post is directed at Rip504...

So you try to have an argument with me, you send me a PM with everything you believe to be a reason why this theory isn't true... and then you block me immediately after?

I'm respond to your PM in one sentence.

Everything you sent in that PM has a stronger counter-argument somewhere within these ~400 pages.

[MissMaster_2]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Also, @JessicaMerizan @AlexTravaligno Destruction: mission first. But should've confronted the kid instead. Shep went meekly into the night.

Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan Close
@AlexTravaligno are you sure he went meekly into the night?

cryptic message is still cryptic

GOD! I just wan to know!

[theratking]

Jonathan Baldwin ‏ @Xarathos · Open
@JessicaMerizan That the Hallucination/Attempted Indoctrination theory is too perfect to be wrong in the absence of further data.
Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan Close
@Xarathos so why are you unhappy?
Hide conversation

more crypticness

[panamakira]

Ravax wrote...

Hey, Casey gave a response regarding the endings:

Check this thread:

http://social.biowar...5/index/9900809

Hmm........he sounds like he's happy we're coming up with all kinds of theories about the ending but that's how is going to stay....

[SLana]

kent80082006 wrote...

It's all speculations but I think if you choose the other two options you will get some sort of cgi which wraps up the story, the story ends there for them. If you choose destroy, however, you can continue to fight.

If you choose destroy and this is not indoctrination, techically Shepard should die instead of wake up, as even the Catalyst admit he's partly synthetic.

[balance5050]

Super G wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Super G wrote...

I don't know if this has already been raised but I'm going to mention it anyway.
The 2 endings where Shep dies would make it impossible for DLC to make any logical sense involving Shepard as he is dead unless of course this was a figment of imagination too...
Which then means the only way you can play the DLC is if you chose to "destroy" which leaves a huge gap in the thousands of players who did not chose this option.
So for me the idea of follow on content is very unlikely.
Rather it just seems the writers didn't do a very good job of wrapping things up.

Theres a quicksave right before the end, if they get indoctrinated the first time they can just reload and make the "right" choice.

I guess my game didn't do that because the only saves I now have is one from Thessia and one from after completing the game...Regardless I feel uncomfortable with the idea of a trilogy ending with  forced decision. Even if it was all to make the player really feel the reality of what indoctrination would be like I can't help but feel like any ending now would feel disjointed or lackluster in some way.

It may be a forced decision but realistically it's an easy choice, live or become a reaper puppet.

[StripedStocking]

JFedora wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

On top of that, i've heard (so far) unconfirmed rumours that the console disks have something like 6GB more data on them than the PC version. The DLC for consoles might just be unlocking the hidden parts already on the disk, which were taken off the PC version to prevent anyone from unlocking them early.  I admit I know next to nothing about how the technical stuff works, and I'll repeat that these are unconfirmed rumours - but it does make you think.

I said IF it is offered as paid DLC.  I hope for their sake that it's free.  Honestly, I'd pay if the process it was developed is justifiable, but I don't think it is.  And I doubt even in that case if many owners of the game would be willing to pay without any major backlash that would be fully justified.

I don't own a console version, and have only dipped into the PC one.  Will see if a friend will allow me to dive into their 360 copy to confirm, but I doubt I'll get that chance any time soon...at least to where it will still matter.

I only have the pc version as well, but is it really 6gb for both console versions, xbox and ps3? Or maybe only for the xbox 'cause I'd imagine all that kinect stuff would take up some space, too, maybe not 6gb, but who knows..not trying to be negative, I'd love for that to be dlc that still has to be unlocked/released, just to clarify ;D

Modifié par StripedStocking, 14 mars 2012 - 03:45 .

[Ona Demonie]

STARGAZER SCENE EXPLAINED:

Liara's Time Capsules.

[Sajuro]

NightAntilli wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

NightAntilli wrote...

If you wait long enough at the end without making a choice, you'll eventually get a mission failure screen saying the crucible has been destroyed, so, I doubt it's indoctrination.

Think of it like this, if you break out of indoctrination then that sends a shock up Harbinger's spine and that is translated to the rest of the Reapers since he is the leader and that'll give the Alliance some extra time so Shepard can get to da beam and open the Citadel arm for real so they can dock that badboy.

I'm talking about when you need to make a choice, not when you just woke up after being blasted. In other words, the scene with the Catalyst presenting itself as the kid.

So was I, the Crucible came into the system along with Shield Fleet after Hammer's push to get to the laser beam. It could still be a hallucination/indoctrination for that very reason I listed above.

[ArkkAngel007]

MaroonMoore93 wrote...

BiNGEaNiNjA wrote...
Given Javik's description of the Prothean's abilities he would have picked up something like that.

This doesn't mean Shepard was not fighting against his own doubts, PTSD, and blood loss in the end which caused a hallucination 

This much, we agree upon. I mean, Javik melds with Shepard's mind(or what have you) multiple times. He and Victory(the Prothean VI) would have picked up on indoctrination. I think people are starting to take the dream theory a little too far...

You gotta remember though, there was no influence on a fully conscience Shepard.  It was only during REM and severe injury where his body is in shock and being dumped with an absurd about of Norepinephrine that Shepard encountered symptoms of attempted indoctrination.  Shepard is not indoctrinated until he actually makes the choice.  The rest leading up to it...the nightmares, voices, etc...that is only the process.  Shepard, up until the very end, is still himself, albeit a stressed and overwhelmed self.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 14 mars 2012 - 03:46 .

[Super G]

kent80082006 wrote...

Super G wrote...

I don't know if this has already been raised but I'm going to mention it anyway.
The 2 endings where Shep dies would make it impossible for DLC to make any logical sense involving Shepard as he is dead unless of course this was a figment of imagination too...
Which then means the only way you can play the DLC is if you chose to "destroy" which leaves a huge gap in the thousands of players who did not chose this option.
So for me the idea of follow on content is very unlikely.
Rather it just seems the writers didn't do a very good job of wrapping things up.

It's all speculations but I think if you choose the other two options you will get some sort of cgi which wraps up the story, the story ends there for them. If you choose destroy, however, you can continue to fight.

We are asking for diversified ending here, we want our choices to affect the endings, if we complain about different choices getting different treatment then we're no better than a bunch of hypocrites who don't know what we really want

Okay perhaps I didn't explain myself very well. 
If it is all a type of indoctrination then how does it explain the events after your choice? 
The Normandy? The crew stuck on some remote planet? The mass relays destroyed?
Yes you see a random body breathing (which by the way doesn't actually confirm it is Shepard) but exactly how can Bioware fix the outcome for that ending? Shepard is alive and actually you weren't hurt by the huge laser blast which killed nearly everyone else and now you can simply proceed to the citidel even though Harbringer is sitting right outside it and everything will be A-okay? 
Really???