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[Sl4sh3r]

Sharkey1337 wrote...

AlphaDormante wrote...

I just noticed this right now...don't know if anyone's mentioned this already or if it's been explained, but I thought I'd bring it up.

So you know that oddly colorful rubble that's littered around the Makos near the beam?



Yeah, that crap looks weird. PC, I'm ashamed of you and those textures.

...hey, wait a minute.



Are those BODIES?

Yes. As you can clearly see, there are faces, torsos, and legs in that pile of low-res polygons. Now, why it's so low-res I don't know; that might really be an issue with my computer. But I've never had this level of terrible with any other texture in the game...and you have to admit, seeing it so blurry and awful-looking lends it a very eerie quality.

Besides that, why are there SO MANY? There were absolutely not that many people running for the beam. And even if there were, how did they all end up in neat little piles off to the sides? And, most importantly...

Take a closer look at the bodies pink and purple circles. Look familiar?





...how about now?

Actually, the reason those are there is because the Reapers are using London to harvest human bodies, so all of those are just waiting to be tossed into the beam to be sent to the Citadel.

But I wasn't running over dead bodies on my way to the beam... were you?

[XxMythicAgexX]

Solenne wrote...



Perhaps more importantly, Stargazer can happen even if the current endings are hallucinations. It occurs after the credits (and after Shepard Lives, in point in fact), so ostensibly lots could have happened between those two points without mucking up continuity. Too, it's not like Stargazer says "and then Shepard died and her LI lived the rest of his days sniping the leaves off jungle trees." (Oh, Garrus.)

You mean calibrating the leaves?

[Hamskillet]

Just saw this on Mike Gamble's Twitter Feed: Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever.

I immediately latched on to this theory upon finishing the game last night. Doing further research, Shepard's eyes in the control & synth endings totally sold me! They absolutely turn Indoctrinated blue!

My hope for future DLC is this; 1 pack that takes place after Shepard wakes in the rubble after resisting Harbinger's Indoc and we finish the fight for real this time.

THEN with the Reapers down and the Relays still in tact; we go visit TIM on his new base on Omega and put a bullet in his head

[Novouto]

XxMythicAgexX wrote...

Solenne wrote...



Perhaps more importantly, Stargazer can happen even if the current endings are hallucinations. It occurs after the credits (and after Shepard Lives, in point in fact), so ostensibly lots could have happened between those two points without mucking up continuity. Too, it's not like Stargazer says "and then Shepard died and her LI lived the rest of his days sniping the leaves off jungle trees." (Oh, Garrus.)

You mean calibrating the leaves?

I lol'd

[Icinix]

I noticed the piles of dead bodies and the poor polygons with texture wrapping - just thought it was lazy...

...but that seems to indicate that its piles and piles of Ashleys and Kaidans....

Edit: Man - I spelled the name wrong - I am so ashamed.

Modifié par Icinix, 14 mars 2012 - 03:58 .

[LenabotSE]

Can you enhance the faces any? They even look like Kaidan and Ashley zombie-fied. It looks like there's a difference between the one in the red circle and the one next to the Phoenix armor.

[Grayvern]

Still I know what will improve the mood of anyone bummed about the ending.

http://www.kickstart...ile/wasteland-2

I still cant get around the no hard save before choice thing, in terms of it possibly being an hallucination.

Modifié par Grayvern, 14 mars 2012 - 03:58 .

[krystalevenstar]

I like how someone caught the hand pulling the other hand out of the rubble on the box with the CE stuff too. There's no other explanation for that.

[Novouto]

Hamskillet wrote...

Just saw this on Mike Gamble's Twitter Feed: Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever.

I immediately latched on to this theory upon finishing the game last night. Doing further research, Shepard's eyes in the control & synth endings totally sold me! They absolutely turn Indoctrinated blue!

My hope for future DLC is this; 1 pack that takes place after Shepard wakes in the rubble after resisting Harbinger's Indoc and we finish the fight for real this time.

THEN with the Reapers down and the Relays still in tact; we go visit TIM on his new base on Omega and put a bullet in his head

That would actually be a great dlc. We would have a better reason to go to omega other than, "Help this condescending biotch take back her crime ridden paradise."

[N3vDawg]

Grayvern wrote...

Still I know what will improve the mood of anyone bummed about the ending.

*Link removed because who cares*

Go away please. This has nothing to do with this thread.

[shepLJ]

Sweet analysis but it feels like your trying to indoctrinate us into accepting a poorly executed ending. Regardeless of the complexity of the shifts and turns - none of them are that subtle after playing the games for hundreds of hours - the codex explains the effects of doctrination as an example. I think there is a huge problem with ending being without closure - there are sophisticated players and there are straight up and at em players and many in between - the endings did not seem to bring the threads together in a coherent way - personally for any of these player groups - Dead and controllng reapers, dead and synthesised, dead or maybe not and destroy the reapers - what about all the other threads - characters etc. sigh.

[Deltateam Elcor]

MysticFred wrote...

I just re-played the last mission so my little brother could watch it live. (he missed it the first time I did it, but he has watched me play ME2 and 3 entirely, and he's 11 if that matters?)
I chose to destroy the reapers, got the "perfect" ending where Shepard is seen covered by rubble.

What does he tell me after watching all that? "Oh, I think it's all real, it's only missing the part where joker picks shepard up and they try escape the relay explosion, he probably ran out of medi-gel and is in the med-lab recovering that's why he doesn't come out when they land and his companions look happy"
Then right at the beginning of the Stargazer scene, he says "Oh look, they (stargazer and kid) are on the same planet the Normandy landed on, see the two planets on the sky?

I think I read every page on this thread and didn't see anything like this.

Occam's razor, anyone? 

Nobody cares about Occams razer, i find it makes life too boring aswell as anyone mentioning it.

[ArkkAngel007]

Ona Demonie wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

STARGAZER SCENE EXPLAINED:

Liara's Time Capsules.

Right.  However, you have to admit that when it is played out after every ending, if the endings are final moments determining Shepard's indoctrination, then how are there humans speaking when they would be all killed in 3 of the 4 endings? 

Yes, I know the solution to make it clear where it is relevent if this theory is correct, but that's how things look on the other side of the fence.

Possibly they were left alone because they were in another star system that wasn't linked to a mass relay, thus they don't have space flight (he does say they don't have) so they were left alone because they weren't advanced enough?

It's never said that they don't have the ability to space travel.  Plus, how would they know about Shepard then?

No, I think it plays out because it is the future, but your choice affects whether you really see it or not, and what Shepard made himself out to be in the eyes of those in the future.  Not to mention that this old dude seems to know way too much about Shepard's mind and personal time for it to be Liara's storytelling.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

NightAntilli wrote...

If you wait long enough at the end without making a choice, you'll eventually get a mission failure screen saying the crucible has been destroyed, so, I doubt it's indoctrination.

Keep in mind even if you are indoctrinated and hallucinating, real life event are going on still. If Shepard is the catalyst the reapers are sure to try destroy the citadel even if Harbinger preferably wants shepard indoctrinated. It may also be a simple "Do something or die" to put pressure on the player to choose fast.

[Drewskii]

Just FYI,

@JessicaMerizan I get there is a bigger plan, a twist, a retcon coming. But it's not in the game I spent 30 hours with.

@AlexTravaligno it's in there if you look.

Cryptic, I suppose, but that looks like a pretty strong acknowledgment that there is in fact a twist within the ending. /gives you all grains of salt

[camcon2100]

  Interesting. Jessica's twitter post!

https://twitter.com/...777892744564736
Edit: Ninjad:ph34r:

Modifié par camcon2100, 14 mars 2012 - 04:03 .

[Icinix]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

NightAntilli wrote...

If you wait long enough at the end without making a choice, you'll eventually get a mission failure screen saying the crucible has been destroyed, so, I doubt it's indoctrination.

Keep in mind even if you are indoctrinated and hallucinating, real life event are going on still. If Shepard is the catalyst the reapers are sure to try destroy the citadel even if Harbinger preferably wants shepard indoctrinated. It may also be a simple "Do something or die" to put pressure on the player to choose fast.

The kid is gone when the game loads afterwards....

..I wonder if you leave it a few times if anything changes - stretching / reaching etc - but worth a look.

[AlphaDormante]

Sharkey1337 wrote...

Actually, the reason those are there is because the Reapers are using London to harvest human bodies, so all of those are just waiting to be tossed into the beam to be sent to the Citadel.

Ordinarily I might agree with you...but look closer at the pile of bodies. Almost all of them are wearing Ash's and Kaidan's armor.

LenabotSE wrote...

Can you enhance the faces any? They
even look like Kaidan and Ashley zombie-fied. It looks like there's a
difference between the one in the red circle and the one next to the
Phoenix armor.

I don't have the tools for that, I'm afraid; if anyone wants to give it a shot, though, feel more than free.

[MaroonMoore93]

MysticFred wrote...

I just re-played the last mission so my little brother could watch it live. (he missed it the first time I did it, but he has watched me play ME2 and 3 entirely, and he's 11 if that matters?)
I chose to destroy the reapers, got the "perfect" ending where Shepard is seen covered by rubble.

What does he tell me after watching all that? "Oh, I think it's all real, it's only missing the part where joker picks shepard up and they try escape the relay explosion, he probably ran out of medi-gel and is in the med-lab recovering that's why he doesn't come out when they land and his companions look happy"
Then right at the beginning of the Stargazer scene, he says "Oh look, they (stargazer and kid) are on the same planet the Normandy landed on, see the two planets on the sky?

I think I read every page on this thread and didn't see anything like this.

Occam's razor, anyone? 

It has been explained and debated, actually. I believe it's somewhere between 200 and 275 in the thread. 
If I remember correctly, the main problem is that the climate and such don't match. Snow does not equal jungle, etc.

[zSeven]

Been following this thread since it was around page 30 and I have to say it has come a long way, I've been trying to post since then however the site wouldn't recognize my GT so I had to make a new account. (Was Weow Napkinz and I messaged a few of you asking to post things).

Anyway, now that I can finally post I must sleep though I shall return tomorrow.

[Icinix]

Drewskii wrote...

Just FYI,

@JessicaMerizan I get there is a bigger plan, a twist, a retcon coming. But it's not in the game I spent 30 hours with.

@AlexTravaligno it's in there if you look.

Cryptic, I suppose, but that looks like a pretty strong acknowledgment that there is in fact a twist within the ending. /gives you all grains of salt

They've also become more engaged with twitter questions / answers since it stopped just being FU rage as well...

Which is promising - either they've embraced the thought process people have got - or it was there all along.

[Teh Tux]

Super G wrote...

I don't know if this has already been raised but I'm going to mention it anyway.
The 2 endings where Shep dies would make it impossible for DLC to make any logical sense involving Shepard as he is dead unless of course this was a figment of imagination too...
Which then means the only way you can play the DLC is if you chose to "destroy" which leaves a huge gap in the thousands of players who did not chose this option.
So for me the idea of follow on content is very unlikely.
Rather it just seems the writers didn't do a very good job of wrapping things up.

You mean like how you can't import your ME2 character if Shepard dies?
I don't see it as being any different to that personally.

[panamakira]

Hamskillet wrote...

Just saw this on Mike Gamble's Twitter Feed: Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever.

Ugh.....I support this thread's theory but I don't want to get my hopes up and be dissappointed afterwards. There's something going on. All the tweets from devs are cryptic as hell.

[N3vDawg]

Icinix wrote...

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

NightAntilli wrote...

If you wait long enough at the end without making a choice, you'll eventually get a mission failure screen saying the crucible has been destroyed, so, I doubt it's indoctrination.

Keep in mind even if you are indoctrinated and hallucinating, real life event are going on still. If Shepard is the catalyst the reapers are sure to try destroy the citadel even if Harbinger preferably wants shepard indoctrinated. It may also be a simple "Do something or die" to put pressure on the player to choose fast.

The kid is gone when the game loads afterwards....

..I wonder if you leave it a few times if anything changes - stretching / reaching etc - but worth a look.

I'm willing to try this, I'll be right back

[camcon2100]

@JessicaMerizan ... then I want to SEE that he was lying. I want to get up and finish the fight with Commander Shepard. Then retire.

@Xarathos augh. want. to. discuss! Staying spoiler free for now

Sounds like she wants to say something