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Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory


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littleork wrote...

iSpitfireee wrote...

of coarse its an imagination. Shepard is in space when he has to make his decision, with no helmet on.


Probably nothiing to do with the quote but when i read that no helmet on, it made me thiink.....after my femshep get hit by the beam, its like she is not wearing ANY armor anymore....

so what? the beam broke all her armor but left her alive, *intact*, man if that beam blew my armor away, i would have been dead too. Im really starting to think that dreaming or hallucination is what is actually happening... Thanks guys, I think I will be able to play my renegade shep now, I'm not gonna get my hope up too much but....this would make sense...


Well, if my silly little theory helps even one person enjoy the game again, then I am happy. :D

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Maybe the whole thing was a bad dream and he hasn't actually gone through the relay yet. That would be nice

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So would the hallucination begin when Shepard gets hit or after TIM dies and he goes up on the platform?

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As much as I like the idea... I am still too wounded by the ending to have the slighest hope. I refuse to get any hope and get disappointed again, no way.

Despite this, you guys bring up some good points. Although it would be ironic if Shepard's squad finished the mission for her, I'd welcome it with open arms.

I just wish I dared hoping. >.>

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I am of the hope that shepard passed out on the platform and that the entire thing is an hallucination. The rest is just terriblly written and I refuse to have it as canon.

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Sajuro wrote...

So would the hallucination begin when Shepard gets hit or after TIM dies and he goes up on the platform?


Well, my original theory in the first post was that it was after TIM dies, but having had more time to think about it, and seeing what people in the thread have said, I'd say probably when Shepard gets hit by Harbinger.

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KingNothing125 wrote...

I also hope so.

In fact, if they release a DLC where Shep wakes up after being shot by Harbinger, and miraculously he and his squad are OK, and you go up to the citadel for a real ending without some Space God Child, I will rejoice and gladly pay money for it.


^this...god i hope so...

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Even if it is after TIM dies, the platform could be Shepard visualizing what the Reaper controller is saying inside his head, trying to trick him into letting the Reapers live.

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OK, this can make sense somehow. Shepherd gets hit by the beam and is tossed into an unconscious dream state where his resolve is tested by something. Either by himself or by some unknown entity. If your resolve is strong enough, you carry through and damn the consequences and wake back up in the pile of rubble to be recovered and patched up and fight one last hurrah fight or something in an expansion or large DLC or something. This series is just too epic to be dropped like this.

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Xellith wrote...

I am of the hope that shepard passed out on the platform and that the entire thing is an hallucination. The rest is just terriblly written and I refuse to have it as canon.


I like this. Shepard passed out and Dreamed the whole kid thing, been dreaming about him anyway. Shep is woken up by the other 2 of his team hobbling in and picking him up and activating the Citadel...

I just want my happy ending with Liara...its all i want Bioware!...

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Foulpancake wrote...

I just want my happy ending with Liara...its all i want Bioware!...


I promised Liara lots of little blue children. I shall not rest until this is made a reality.

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Would also explain why my armor changed to N7 gear when it burned up.


Wait, in the recurring nightmare Shepard has, he gets set on fire in the last one. He then proceeds to speak to the child from those dreams, and is burned to death immediately afterwards.... Food for thought.

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Is the Citadel destroyed if you choose to destroy the reapers? I can't remember... but if it is, there is no way Shep would survive that. Seeing him/her take that breath screams false ending. I mean, come on, even the Prothean says that their leaders gave in, made comprimises. The whole series has been about destroying the reapers no matter what, at any cost. EDI says she would die for Joker. The geth, well, their willingness to fight the reapers says they are willing to die to defeat them.

Maybe these last choices were BW's way of indoctrinating us gamers. Were you able to destroy the reapers, or did you lose your way and give in? A real test of Shep's (and our) resolve, that's for sure. If this were to be the end, these guys should get some sort of medal... although, this begs the question, where is the real conclusion?

Shep was going on and on about hope... and this is the only hope I can hold onto so that I can keep functioning as a productive member of RL

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k8ee wrote...

Is the Citadel destroyed if you choose to destroy the reapers? I can't remember... but if it is, there is no way Shep would survive that. Seeing him/her take that breath screams false ending. I mean, come on, even the Prothean says that their leaders gave in, made comprimises. The whole series has been about destroying the reapers no matter what, at any cost. EDI says she would die for Joker. The geth, well, their willingness to fight the reapers says they are willing to die to defeat them.

Maybe these last choices were BW's way of indoctrinating us gamers. Were you able to destroy the reapers, or did you lose your way and give in? A real test of Shep's (and our) resolve, that's for sure. If this were to be the end, these guys should get some sort of medal... although, this begs the question, where is the real conclusion?

Shep was going on and on about hope... and this is the only hope I can hold onto so that I can keep functioning as a productive member of RL


The Citadel is indeed destroyed if you destroy the Reapers, and oddly its also the only one where Shepard can possibly live.

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Red pill: Citadel destroyed, Mass Relays Destroyed, Geth destroyed, EDI destroyed, synthetic technology destroyed, Shepard lives only if you meet certain requirements.
Blue Pill: Citadel destroyed, Mass Relays Destroyed, Reapers Under Shepard's control, Shepard dies.
Green Pill: Citadel destroyed, Mass Relays Destroyed, all life is converted to a bio-synthetic form of some kind, Shepard dies.

The ending is so retarded.

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byne wrote...

k8ee wrote...

Is the Citadel destroyed if you choose to destroy the reapers? I can't remember... but if it is, there is no way Shep would survive that. Seeing him/her take that breath screams false ending. I mean, come on, even the Prothean says that their leaders gave in, made comprimises. The whole series has been about destroying the reapers no matter what, at any cost. EDI says she would die for Joker. The geth, well, their willingness to fight the reapers says they are willing to die to defeat them.

Maybe these last choices were BW's way of indoctrinating us gamers. Were you able to destroy the reapers, or did you lose your way and give in? A real test of Shep's (and our) resolve, that's for sure. If this were to be the end, these guys should get some sort of medal... although, this begs the question, where is the real conclusion?

Shep was going on and on about hope... and this is the only hope I can hold onto so that I can keep functioning as a productive member of RL


The Citadel is indeed destroyed if you destroy the Reapers, and oddly its also the only one where Shepard can possibly live.


That's what I thought. Even doing the synthesize option makes no sense. The galaxy is richer for its diversity, isn't that what they keep saying? The prothean tells us that their leaders comprimised and looked for other solutions, and in the end it destroyed them.

I just can't accept that the game being so amazingly awesome as it was, gave us that weird ending. Shep wants to imagine that her crew escaped, maybe habringer uses the kid to guilt Shep into making a decision that saves the most lives instead ot the one that will ultimately destroy the reapers.

I don't know... craziness.

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Well, it being a hallucination and Shepard dying on the spot on Earth is probably the only worse ending I can think of.

So hopefully not. :P

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raeting wrote...

Well, it being a hallucination and Shepard dying on the spot on Earth is probably the only worse ending I can think of.

So hopefully not. :P

 
Ahh come on, she is not dead, just knocked out, now she is waking up and ready to finish the job :).

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raeting wrote...

Well, it being a hallucination and Shepard dying on the spot on Earth is probably the only worse ending I can think of.

So hopefully not. :P


We arent saying Shepard dies on the spot though, we're saying its a hallucination, and then Shepard wakes up to kick some Reaper ass.

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And it has to be a damn hallucination, she is NOT wearing a n7 piece of gear when she is in the crucible, but she is in the rubble. EVIL BIOWARE!

Edit: bah its her dogtag, but it seems too armored still...

Modifié par littleork, 10 mars 2012 - 03:10 .


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You guys might all want it to be a dream sequence with the REAL ending yet to come in a delightful little DLC package but think about how the rest of the world would see that. Charging fans for a real ending would look like the worst money-grabbing tactic a game developer has pulled to date and everybody will be annoyed by it. I really doubt Bioware would risk that sort of bad press, especially since their reputation as EA's DLC-milkers is already quite damning.

Like it or not we're stuck with the endings. Shepard's either dead or seriously injured and marooned on earth, along with the quarians and the krogan and a ton of turians and possibly geth. The Normandy's trapped on some garden world with no way off because the relays were all destroyed. I just don't see where Bioware can really go with this IP anymore, unless the DLC is all pre Take Back Earth mission.

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Something I have started to wonder about is why did the Reaper leave after the blast?

It obviously came to kill the people trying to get to the beam, yet it leaves when there are obviously survivors. I just find it weird that just because it knocked down Shepard, but didn't kill him, that it decided that its job was done and flew off. Did it really have something more important to do than making sure no one opened the Citadel?

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I'm playing it again, right now...
I didn't notice a difference with the armour at all, though I never changed mine from the regular N7.

Some of the dialogue between Shepard and Anderson is odd too, like "This doesn't look like any part of the Citadel I've been to."
and when Anderson says "One of the walls just moved, the place is shifting, changing."

You know what gets me? The scene with TIM is like a pre-boss battle, but he's not the real threat. When it comes right down to it, talking to that kid is when you are actually fighting the reapers.

Control, and the reapers and the citadel remain intact, synthesize and end the cycle which also leaves the reapers intact, or destroy them. I can't imagine choosing the destiny of all life would be correct... it seems unnatural...

...And maybe the visual of the Normandy is just something Shep's mind comes up with in an attempt to feel better about the decision they made.

Also, I notice with that ending that the mass relay was destroyed, even though the kid doesn't say that will happen... not sure what was going on there..

And if it is a dream, do you actually open the arms of the citadel from the ground???? Are there still people on the CItadel? Do they open the arms?????

This is killing me.

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yummysoap wrote...

You guys might all want it to be a dream sequence with the REAL ending yet to come in a delightful little DLC package but think about how the rest of the world would see that. Charging fans for a real ending would look like the worst money-grabbing tactic a game developer has pulled to date and everybody will be annoyed by it. I really doubt Bioware would risk that sort of bad press, especially since their reputation as EA's DLC-milkers is already quite damning.

Like it or not we're stuck with the endings. Shepard's either dead or seriously injured and marooned on earth, along with the quarians and the krogan and a ton of turians and possibly geth. The Normandy's trapped on some garden world with no way off because the relays were all destroyed. I just don't see where Bioware can really go with this IP anymore, unless the DLC is all pre Take Back Earth mission.


People seemed fine with Fallout 3 charging for an ending that made sense.

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Odd Bet wrote...

Something I have started to wonder about is why did the Reaper leave after the blast?

It obviously came to kill the people trying to get to the beam, yet it leaves when there are obviously survivors. I just find it weird that just because it knocked down Shepard, but didn't kill him, that it decided that its job was done and flew off. Did it really have something more important to do than making sure no one opened the Citadel?


Plus, Harbinger was always instructing the Collectors to capture Shepard alive, yet when it finally manages to incapacitate the Commander, it just leaves? Really?