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k8ee wrote...
@krystalevenstar
Yes, hope. That has always been a big thing, especially in this game, and really there is no hope with the endings presented to us.
Ormeriel wrote...
prizm123 wrote...
personally i think Shepard died with Anderson after killing TIM, the Crucible worked, but we dont know how, and everything after the conversation with Anderson was a life passing before your eyes moment
it would explain how everyone is on the Normandy too, even the ones with Shepard in London (who i believe are also dead after the Reaper landed as they were heading towards the beam)
But that doesn't explain the post-credits video where shepard is still breathing, in earth/london looking rubbles with his N7 armor, that he does NOT wear in the citadel part.
The ONLY way to explain this is that he is waking up from that "hallucination" and saying "F...No, I am NOT dying here hallucinating, we are finishing this, here and NOW!"
Except that James is on the opposite side of the ship and a deck (two decks by the elevator) below Eva's body and I would expect Cortez to say something if that was it since he sleeps beneath the AI core it seems.humes spork wrote...
lavosslayer wrote...
We already established though that everyone else in the crew was already on the ship doing the refit so it would make sense...
No, there's a point there. If Eva were the source of the Reaper tech, then it follows none of the people involved in the Normandy refit would have been previously exposed to it. If the Reaper tech or an Indoctrination device came from another source, then EDI would have known about it even if the crew themselves never found it and undoubtedly said something to someone
lookingglassmind wrote...
rogueagent6 wrote...
One more thing to add regarding the possibility of an indoctrination device aboard the Normandy, there is a whole section on the port side that you can't get to.
Hang on, back the bus up... what? Where? *can't believe she didn't notice this*
Modifié par Calavan, 11 mars 2012 - 04:26 .
lavosslayer wrote...
No, there's a point there. If Eva were the source of the Reaper tech, then it follows none of the people involved in the Normandy refit would have been previously exposed to it. If the Reaper tech or an Indoctrination device came from another source, then EDI would have known about it even if the crew themselves never found it and undoubtedly said something to someone
I see your point and raise you a question of why wouldn't EDI detect the Reaper Tech in the cyber body when it was brought on board the Normandy?
Modifié par lookingglassmind, 11 mars 2012 - 04:24 .
prizm123 wrote...
personally i think Shepard died with Anderson after killing TIM, the Crucible worked, but we dont know how, and everything after the conversation with Anderson was a life passing before your eyes moment
it would explain how everyone is on the Normandy too, even the ones with Shepard in London (who i believe are also dead after the Reaper landed as they were heading towards the beam)
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Modifié par k8ee, 11 mars 2012 - 04:24 .
DifferentD17 wrote...
rogueagent6 wrote...
One more thing to add regarding the possibility of an indoctrination device aboard the Normandy, there is a whole section on the port side that you can't get to.
You mean were Jacob used to be?
lookingglassmind wrote...
Hang on, back the bus up... what? Where? *can't believe she didn't notice this*
Animositisomina wrote...
AvianCat wrote...
I do have to add that the Crucible was built over many cycles and species. I highly doubt that when they were building this they decided they would add 3 buttons to it. And if they planned on using the catalyst as it's power source, they wouldn't use the "god" that had originally created the thing they are trying to destroy.
For that matter, why would they ever add a single way (let alone 3) to stop them? It's like how the villain in a movie plants a bomb but always includes a way to defuse it. Doesn't really work that way in real life.
krystalevenstar wrote...
DifferentD17 wrote...
rogueagent6 wrote...
One more thing to add regarding the possibility of an indoctrination device aboard the Normandy, there is a whole section on the port side that you can't get to.
You mean were Jacob used to be?
I just took that area to be where the newly converted War Room/hologram center is.
humes spork wrote...
The only room that seems to never serve a purpose in ME3 is life support, and that's always open for some unknown reason.
It's also just about the only place on the ship Javik doesn't touch with a ten-foot pole...especially odd given his predilection for walking around "sensing" the former crew. Seems he would have jumped at the opportunity to go to life support and "get to know" Thane.
Yeah, the Eva link isn't particularly compelling, unless you add in the prospect EDI was broadcasting an Indoctrination signal through the whole damn ship via intercom. Still, putting a device in the cargo bay exposes a lot of crew, especially when they'd be leaving for and coming back from missions which would be when hormonal stress reaction would be highest.Sajuro wrote...
Except that James is on the opposite side of the ship and a deck (two decks by the elevator) below Eva's body and I would expect Cortez to say something if that was it since he sleeps beneath the AI core it seems.
NoUserNameHere wrote...
If you don't pass their corpses on the way to the beam, then they're alive. Still not sure how they'd get on the Normandy outside of a dream sequence, though.
humes spork wrote...
lookingglassmind wrote...
Hang on, back the bus up... what? Where? *can't believe she didn't notice this*
The ME2 armory was scrapped to make way for the war room and comms center. On deck 4 one room is reserved for Javik and the other for that stupid reporter. The only room that seems to never serve a purpose in ME3 is life support, and that's always open for some unknown reason.
It's also just about the only place on the ship Javik doesn't touch with a ten-foot pole...especially odd given his predilection for walking around "sensing" the former crew. Seems he would have jumped at the opportunity to go to life support and "get to know" Thane.
Beast919 wrote...
More and more I'm on board for the indoctrination theorey and not just a coma-fever-dream. The more I think about that stupid child and his "You can't save me" comment the less sense it makes. The kid was making noise trying to get *out* of the vent.....why would he all of a sudden stop this attempt when he saw an armed adult attempting to help him?.....and then shortly thereafter join a bunch of other armed humans on a random shuttle? Plus, did anyone else notice no one on the shuttle cared for him (i.e. family) - the kid obviously isn't that terrified of strangers.
k8ee wrote...
@krystalevenstar
Yes, hope. That has always been a big thing, especially in this game, and really there is no hope with the endings presented to us.
That's where Allers stays.Calavan wrote...
lookingglassmind wrote...
rogueagent6 wrote...
One more thing to add regarding the possibility of an indoctrination device aboard the Normandy, there is a whole section on the port side that you can't get to.
Hang on, back the bus up... what? Where? *can't believe she didn't notice this*
It's where Zaeed was in ME2. I assumed it would be unlocked when Bioware releases another DLC character (that's what they did in ME2 and that's what happened with Javik's room in ME3) so I wouldn't read too much into it. But I could be wrong.
[oops, nevermind. In my playthrough i told the reporter to go to hell so I didn't know this opened up in the as-released game]
lookingglassmind wrote...
humes spork wrote...
The only room that seems to never serve a purpose in ME3 is life support, and that's always open for some unknown reason.
It's also just about the only place on the ship Javik doesn't touch with a ten-foot pole...especially odd given his predilection for walking around "sensing" the former crew. Seems he would have jumped at the opportunity to go to life support and "get to know" Thane.
That is also interesting. I wondered at the empty Life Support, but again, just let it go once it remained unexplained. It's weird that it was left open, no-one ever touched it. Characters are found in multiple places (Kaidan has several locations, as does Tali, etc), but that room has always been silent and empty. Perfect for a DLC character, but also weird. Why would it have been open? Unless they were planning on having someone in there that didn't make into the final product, such as Thane himself.
Modifié par lavosslayer, 11 mars 2012 - 04:31 .
lookingglassmind wrote...
That is also interesting. I wondered at the empty Life Support, but again, just let it go once it remained unexplained. It's weird that it was left open, no-one ever touched it. Characters are found in multiple places (Kaidan has several locations, as does Tali, etc), but that room has always been silent and empty. Perfect for a DLC character, but also weird. Why would it have been open? Unless they were planning on having someone in there that didn't make into the final product, such as Thane himself.
Not just an adult but Commander Shepard, the single most famous human in the galaxy.krystalevenstar wrote...
Beast919 wrote...
More and more I'm on board for the indoctrination theorey and not just a coma-fever-dream. The more I think about that stupid child and his "You can't save me" comment the less sense it makes. The kid was making noise trying to get *out* of the vent.....why would he all of a sudden stop this attempt when he saw an armed adult attempting to help him?.....and then shortly thereafter join a bunch of other armed humans on a random shuttle? Plus, did anyone else notice no one on the shuttle cared for him (i.e. family) - the kid obviously isn't that terrified of strangers.
I brought this up a few pages back too. No way a kid that age isn't going to JUMP at the chance to get help from an adult when the freakin world is ending.
lavosslayer wrote...
I also don't recall anyone ever occupying the starboard observatory either. (The room with the bar and card table/Kasumi's old room)
lavosslayer wrote...
lookingglassmind wrote...
humes spork wrote...
The only room that seems to never serve a purpose in ME3 is life support, and that's always open for some unknown reason.
It's also just about the only place on the ship Javik doesn't touch with a ten-foot pole...especially odd given his predilection for walking around "sensing" the former crew. Seems he would have jumped at the opportunity to go to life support and "get to know" Thane.
That is also interesting. I wondered at the empty Life Support, but again, just let it go once it remained unexplained. It's weird that it was left open, no-one ever touched it. Characters are found in multiple places (Kaidan has several locations, as does Tali, etc), but that room has always been silent and empty. Perfect for a DLC character, but also weird. Why would it have been open? Unless they were planning on having someone in there that didn't make into the final product, such as Thane himself.
I also don't recall anyone ever occupying the starboard observatory either. (The room with the bar and card table/Kasumi's old room)
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