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[NeoMan5]

Teh Tux wrote...

In reguards to the Stargazer scene; It is meaningless. In my opnion.
If the indoctronation theory is true, it can still happen. Someone on a planet somwhere in the galaxy is talking about shepard's exploits.
If its false, then it would be exactly the same.

I think the stargazer scene is being looked into far too much.

Kind of ironic im saying that though, especially due to the nature of the thread... <____<

I tend to agree with this, the fact that people are reading a bit much into it. To me, that scene is really just a "sometime in the distant future" where the story of Shepard saving the galaxy has been passed down from generation to generation. The old man even says "some of the details have been lost in time", which seems to imply the story he told took place a long time ago. The rest I just assumed was an older person giving a child hope and dreams . And the "one more story" I would assume is for DLC

[xDarkspace]

Ezikio wrote...

Dorfgonewild81 wrote...

 Here are the models of the bodies... plus an interesting 4th body that kind of goes with one of the "cut" endings.

i.imgur.com/34aNd.jpg

i.imgur.com/9dcgR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Tfify.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/lX2Xx.jpg

403 forbidden 

Take out i. and put www.

[Auresta]

Auresta wrote...

Fledgey wrote...

https://twitter.com/...786147139043328 Oh god, is this guy posting in this thread? We need to know what was talked about. ****.

lol I'm curious too!

Also, the community manager is following him.

[MissMaster_2]

Icinix wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

JediNg wrote...

So um, is this theory losing steam in light of what Casey said? D:

I don't think it is at all.

I would dare say his non-commital response and joy at seeing the discussion suppodesdly would reinforce it.

^ this

[Icinix]

Fledgey wrote...

https://twitter.com/...786147139043328 Oh god, is this guy posting in this thread? We need to know what was talked about. ****.

Whats a DM?

[Fledgey]

Icinix wrote...

Fledgey wrote...

https://twitter.com/...786147139043328 Oh god, is this guy posting in this thread? We need to know what was talked about. ****.

Whats a DM?

Direct message. Same as a PM.

[zSeven]

I....need...to ..... know........!

[RC Clone]

krystalevenstar wrote...

Dorfgonewild81 wrote...

 Here are the models of the bodies... plus an interesting 4th body that kind of goes with one of the "cut" endings.

Those are 100%, not question the Virmire models of Kaiden and Ashley.

Shepard's Psyche is constructing this space If you weren't convinced before, I don't know how you couldn't be.

Right. Bioware's lazy design totally proves this thread's bs thoery.

[Icinix]

Fledgey wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Fledgey wrote...

https://twitter.com/...786147139043328 Oh god, is this guy posting in this thread? We need to know what was talked about. ****.

Whats a DM?

Direct message. Same as a PM.

Ahh - Thank you! 

[Miss Vader]

Fledgey wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Fledgey wrote...

https://twitter.com/...786147139043328 Oh god, is this guy posting in this thread? We need to know what was talked about. ****.

Whats a DM?

Direct message. Same as a PM.

can anyone contact this guy and ask what was in the message they got?

[Dorfgonewild81]

krystalevenstar wrote...

Those are 100%, not question the Virmire models of Kaiden and Ashley.

Shepard's Psyche is constructing this space If you weren't convinced before, I don't know how you couldn't be.

I saw these yesterday and questioned it, but never got to post it.  The really crazy stuff is the cerberus soldiers (yes multiple, the others just dont have textures)  and that in the files for the ending (ending_001, ending_002) it has the models for Cortez, Traynor and Mordin, but with no changes or anything.

[Rip504]

What are your thoughts on the reaction to the game’s endings?
I didn’t want the game to be forgettable, and even right down to the
sort of polarizing reaction that the ends have had with people–debating
what the endings mean and what’s going to happen next, and what
situation are the characters left in. That to me is part of what’s
exciting about this story. There has always been a little bit of mystery
there and a little bit of interpretation, and it’s a story that people
can talk about after the fact.

oops*

[Mallissin]

Handren wrote...

Malissin, Synthesis is what Saren wanted. He said a lot about this in ME1.

I don't think so. I played ME1 again (and ME2) over the last few weeks and I don't remember him wanting to literally do what Synthesis did. He was mostly trying to battle the Reaper's influence on him and remain in control.

Even so, he couldn't do the synthesis because he was indoctrinated.

That's if you trust the Guardian/Catalyst, who doesn't really have a reason to lie, since all of the endings leads to the it dying in one way or another.

Either the Citadel blows up (Destroy and Synthesis options), or you kill the Guardian by taking it's place (Control option). And all of the options destroy the Relays, right?

Again, assuming it's not all an indoctrination dream.

[BadlyBrowned]

kent80082006 wrote...

Not entirely related, just something new to think about

What is the effect of the catalyst on the crucible?

What we know:
1. It has been stated by Liara that the catalyst was included in the blueprints of the crucible found in the prothean dig site on mars from the very beginning.
2. According to Javik, the crucible was the collective work of many civilizations from cycles before the prothean.
3. According to the Prothean VI, the idea of implementing the use of the citadel into the crucible was founded amid the designing process. According to the VI, the catalyst IS the citadel (which shows it's a fact to the Protheans, and presumably a fact to the civilizations of previous cycles, including the one which suggested to use the citadel and call it the catalyst)

From the moment the citadel was included in the blueprints, the catalyst has always and only been the citadel, civilizations from the past may or may not know of the star child, the star child's intervention may not have been part of their plan.

The crucible was originally designed without the catalyst, there are four possible outcomes to the use of catalyst:

1. Retaining the original function (A), which is intended by the very first designers of the crucible before implementing use of citadel
2. Gained the intended new/strengthened function ( after implementing use of citadel (star child intervention NOT part of the plan)
3. Gained intended new/strengthened function © after implementing use of citadel (star child intervention IS part of the plan)
4. The unintended function (D). Either caused by star child not doing what was predicted by the designers who suggested to use him as catalyst (Function C failed) or they don't know about the existance of star child at all (Function B failed)

Judging from the four possibilies, there's a good chance that the current three choices are not the original intended functions of the crucuble after all  There's something really fishy about that star kid

I made a post about it a couple hundred pages back.

Basically, I said that the Catalyst is actually Shepard. Because what have all the other cycles not had they we do? Shepard. If you go by what a "catalyst" is defined as, it is basicaly like an activator. 

However, if you go by the Indoctrination Conjecture, none of scenes on the Citadel even really pertain to the Crucible anyways. 

Modifié par BadlyBrowned, 14 mars 2012 - 04:42 .

[krystalevenstar]

Icinix wrote...

Fledgey wrote...

https://twitter.com/...786147139043328 Oh god, is this guy posting in this thread? We need to know what was talked about. ****.

Whats a DM?

Direct Message, basically a PM

[zSeven]

RC Clone wrote...

You.

[panamakira]

When does ME3 release in Asia? Maybe we'll hear something after that no?

My wishful thinking.

[RedSpectrum47]

When someone asked @masseffect to give them a cryptic answer as to whether they had something planned, @masseffect said "the sun is shining"

On the CE box, that hand pulling that arm out of the rubble may be Shepard freeing himself, getting himself back up, and in the background, I see sunlight

[ArkkAngel007]

balance5050 wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

I'd like to provide a counterpoint to the "Indoctrination" theory. I think the last choice is very literal.

In ME1, our enemy was the Reapers and Geth. We're told the Geth were synthetics that rebelled against their creators and forced them to flee their worlds in fear. The conflict was organic versus synthetic and only option to win seemed to be completely destroying the Reapers (the only ending was the destruction of Sovereign).

In ME2, our enemy was solely the Reapers. We learn more of the sub-plot with the Geth, Tali's father and Xen are trying to find ways to bring them under control. We see hints of the origin of the conflict with Legion, starting to doubt if the Geth are really enemies. The conflict is still organic versus synthetic, but becomes a part of us as wake up to find we are now part synthetic and we are in a sense "losing ourselves" as humans are being kidnapped by the Reapers. We ally ourselves with the Illusive Man with little other choice and whose intentions are unknown for most of the game. Everyone thinks we're under his control, either because we've allied ourselves with him or because of the implants. We never kill a Reaper, aside from the Human Reaper, and the final choice is whether to give TIM more power or not.

But in ME3, we learn we can make peace between the Geth and Quarians, after we learn the truth behind the origins of the conflict. The Quarians could not see a future with the Geth because they feared them too much, but it took your influence to bring an end and bring the two together for a future neither could have imagined. Only you could have made that happen.

Also, keep in mind, all three final choices stop the Reapers, but each change the aftermath.

You can choose to destroy the Reapers, which is Anderson's choice and an analogue for the choice of the first game but also the Quarian/Geth peace options to stop the code update (which ends destroying all Geth).

We can choose to control the Reapers, which is TIM's choice but also an analogue for the choice of the second game and the Quarian's work to try to take the Geth back without destroying them. It's the "conquer without losses" option.

Or we can choose the option never considered with Synthesis, where both organic and synthetic not only live in peace but become equals. It's an option of trust, since we know the Reapers won't be destroyed but they will be affected by you much like Legion's upload to the Geth.

I think the special movie with Shepard waking after the blast was simply added to give completionists something to nibble on while the DLCs are being prepared.

Oh, and I think the old man in the final movie is Joker telling stories to his grandchild (since he and EDI can finally make teh babies after Synthesis).

Thats a nice opinion you have there.

Ugh, BioWare server had to take a hit while I was typing a pleasant reply to this take on the ending.

All in all, I like this opinion as well.  I don't think it's a counterpoint, as it doesn't actually disprove the theory in any way directly.  But it is a well-though alternative take on the ending...which is essentially what this theory is anyways.

Sorry I had to short hand the reply, but thanks for sharing.

[Terraforming2154]

Teh Tux wrote...

In reguards to the Stargazer scene; It is meaningless. In my opnion.
If the indoctronation theory is true, it can still happen. Someone on a planet somwhere in the galaxy is talking about shepard's exploits.
If its false, then it would be exactly the same.

I think the stargazer scene is being looked into far too much.

Kind of ironic im saying that though, especially due to the nature of the thread... <____<

The more I think about it, I agree.
I feel like the old man's speech could be seen as a description of what we loved about mass effect - the sense of exploration, the vastness of space, etc. I also think it was used to set up to future games, like, Shepard's story was just one cog in a very big wheel.

Or I could be way off the mark.

Modifié par Terraforming2154, 14 mars 2012 - 04:41 .

[xDarkspace]

RedSpectrum47 wrote...

When someone asked @masseffect to give them a cryptic answer as to whether they had something planned, @masseffect said "the sun is shining"

On the CE box, that hand pulling that arm out of the rubble may be Shepard freeing himself, getting himself back up, and in the background, I see sunlight

Got a pic of it?

[RC Clone]

zSeven wrote...

RC Clone wrote...

You.

You were given an ending so bad you couldn't believe it and now you are pulling at anyhting that will allow you to say that it isn't real.

OH wait.

HI SEVEN

[Ona Demonie]

panamakira wrote...

When does ME3 release in Asia? Maybe we'll hear something after that no?

My wishful thinking.

March 15th.

[krystalevenstar]

RC Clone wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

Dorfgonewild81 wrote...

 Here are the models of the bodies... plus an interesting 4th body that kind of goes with one of the "cut" endings.

Those are 100%, not question the Virmire models of Kaiden and Ashley.

Shepard's Psyche is constructing this space If you weren't convinced before, I don't know how you couldn't be.

Right. Bioware's lazy design totally proves this thread's bs thoery.

Are you serious dude?  Do you think after this many years of development they'd just throw random textures in the climax of their game series? Have a little common sense.

[Leonia]

RedSpectrum47 wrote...

When someone asked @masseffect to give them a cryptic answer as to whether they had something planned, @masseffect said "the sun is shining"

On the CE box, that hand pulling that arm out of the rubble may be Shepard freeing himself, getting himself back up, and in the background, I see sunlight

Again, where's the time-travel theories? If we're messing with dark energy here, anything could be possible.