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krystalevenstar wrote...

BTW Posted Image

Just for reference, this image is on the back of the box that contained all the CE stuff like the artbook, the patch, postcard, etc.


No thoughts about this? I wasn't here when it was originally posted around page 360 something I think.

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Ona Demonie wrote...

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Guys, and girls.. bear with me for a sec...

A terrible thought has just crossed my mind...

The general consensus is that they are waiting for the game to be released in asia/japan right?

Well, I live in Shanghai, and have been living in Asia for a while, i know how they are...
I have been to Japan MANY times, and now how they are as well...

Many Japanese (students mainly - high school/University) are under EXTREMELY high levels of stress, and DEPEND on games to alleviate that stress, and blow off steam... You dont understand, it borders religion and worship...

Their reaction to these endings might reach a degree of severity we would not be able to conceive, especially for the ones that have come to love the Mass Effect universe, and have been waiting for ME3 for a while like most of us..

I hate mentioning this, but the thought has crossed my mind, that some of the 'lesser willed' over there, might even contemplate suicide... as they do even just because of their levels of stress associated with jobs/studies...

I hope I am wrong, sincerely...

THIS. Just, THIS. This alone has me worried. Japan's suicide rate has been on the rise, and I have been worried since the day I saw the early leaks that someone, somewhere, may commit suicide because the endings were the final blow. 


Wow, I think you should be reported and banned for so many things right now, has nothing to do with thread. You make me sick troll.

Talking to ravax... but shame on you for feeding a troll 
]Ona Demonie.

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#10103
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leonia42 wrote...

You guys are starting to work yourselves up into an unnecessary frenzy, don't lose perspective.


Agreed.

#10104
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RC Clone wrote...

squee365 wrote...

RC Clone wrote...

zSeven wrote...

I fully support this theory though I do believe in many cases you guys are grasping at straws. I want to believe Bioware put this much thought into the ending but there will always be that doubt in the back of my mind until it is confirmed.

Forget this thread man. Bioware got rushed and put out this terrible abomination.

This abomination isn't a clever puzzle that was made to trick fans. It's just terrible writing that makes no sense.


And if it was some big trick. Would anyone here prefer they spent time making this trick instead of giving us multiple varied ending like they said they would?


But 95% of the game is not terrible writing, why is ONLY the last couple minutes so terrible? It makes no sense. If something has horrible writing, its obvious from the start, not the very end.

Somewhere along the way bad things happened and they scrapped the well written ending they were working on.

As a result we got this thing.

I definitely would rather have had tehm release a real ending and not this explosions with different colors bs ending we got.

I think my main problem is that this thread premise is to get fans to accept the terrible ending as a legitimate and purposeful creation by Bioware when it was just rushed trash.


And on the offchance that it was intended and the endings are readily available? And they legitimately wanted to wait. Your reaction?

After all you are speculating just as much as this thread is speculating. No one knows what's going on in BW's offices yet

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squee365 wrote...

RC Clone wrote...

zSeven wrote...

I fully support this theory though I do believe in many cases you guys are grasping at straws. I want to believe Bioware put this much thought into the ending but there will always be that doubt in the back of my mind until it is confirmed.

Forget this thread man. Bioware got rushed and put out this terrible abomination.

This abomination isn't a clever puzzle that was made to trick fans. It's just terrible writing that makes no sense.


And if it was some big trick. Would anyone here prefer they spent time making this trick instead of giving us multiple varied ending like they said they would?


But 95% of the game is not terrible writing, why is ONLY the last couple minutes so terrible? It makes no sense. If something has horrible writing, its obvious from the start, not the very end.


You make a good point, it is odd that everything up till the last 15 mins is SO incredible and well crafted.  It's like BW spent their whole time creating the game but at the last second hired a bunch of monkeys on typewriters to finish the game.  That makes no sense... it's a HUGE inconsistency with everything that has been Mass Effect.  Not just what we talk about, lore, retconning, etc but in outright quality and effort.

I want to say that there's just as much of a chance that BW is screwing with us as much as there's a chance that they screwed us.

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zSeven wrote...

RC Clone wrote...

zSeven wrote...

I fully support this theory though I do believe in many cases you guys are grasping at straws. I want to believe Bioware put this much thought into the ending but there will always be that doubt in the back of my mind until it is confirmed.

Forget this thread man. Bioware got rushed and put out this terrible abomination.

This abomination isn't a clever puzzle that was made to trick fans. It's just terrible writing that makes no sense.


And if it was some big trick. Would anyone here prefer they spent time making this trick instead of giving us multiple varied ending like they said they would?


I just want something that will allow me to keep my sanity after investing so much time into these games.

Me too, but accepting this ending as something that actually was made with deliberate purpose with detail going into minute things that were actually just ignored is not the way.

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Icinix wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

RedSpectrum47 wrote...

When someone asked @masseffect to give them a cryptic answer as to whether they had something planned, @masseffect said "the sun is shining"

On the CE box, that hand pulling that arm out of the rubble may be Shepard freeing himself, getting himself back up, and in the background, I see sunlight


Again, where's the time-travel theories? If we're messing with dark energy here, anything could be possible.


Oh hell yeah!!

Future Shep goes back to help past Shep fight indoctrination!


That would be AWESOME!

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kent80082006 wrote...

Ravax wrote...

Guys, and girls.. bear with me for a sec...

A terrible thought has just crossed my mind...

The general consensus is that they are waiting for the game to be released in asia/japan right?

Well, I live in Shanghai, and have been living in Asia for a while, i know how they are...
I have been to Japan MANY times, and now how they are as well...

Many Japanese (students mainly - high school/University) are under EXTREMELY high levels of stress, and DEPEND on games to alleviate that stress, and blow off steam... You dont understand, it borders religion and worship...

Their reaction to these endings might reach a degree of severity we would not be able to conceive, especially for the ones that have come to love the Mass Effect universe, and have been waiting for ME3 for a while like most of us..

I hate mentioning this, but the thought has crossed my mind, that some of the 'lesser willed' over there, might even contemplate suicide... as they do even just because of their levels of stress associated with jobs/studies...

I hope I am wrong, sincerely...


Hello, extremely stressed Hong Kong student here,  I just wish there is more to the ending, nothing more, I can assure you I do not intend to kill myself in the foreseeable future, hope this will ease your concern :)


If you ever visit shanghai, hit me up!!!

I go to hong kong regularly too for business and visa purposes!

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Mallissin wrote...

LenabotSE wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

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Malissin, Synthesis is what Saren wanted. He said a lot about this in ME1.


I don't think so. I played ME1 again (and ME2) over the last few weeks and I don't remember him wanting to literally do what Synthesis did. He was mostly trying to battle the Reaper's influence on him and remain in control.


Negatory - rewatch his final speech on youtube.  He's obsessed with merging man and machine.  Strenghts of both, weaknesses of neither.  Join Sovereign and ascend, yadda yadda.  


I did, numerous times.



He's completely indoctrinated, heavily implanted and spouting the standard Reaper "ascension" lines. It's not what he wanted, but what he's told to want.

Had it been what he wanted, you couldn't have gotten through to him and had him commit suicide.


Isn't it a little strange that synthesis is exactly the Reaper/saren doctrine..

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Golferguy758 wrote...
And on the offchance that it was intended and the endings are readily available? And they legitimately wanted to wait. Your reaction?

After all you are speculating just as much as this thread is speculating. No one knows what's going on in BW's offices yet

In that case.

WTF Bioware released ME3 without the proper endings so they could BS us with more DLC overload!

Would be my response.

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Yowzah, didn't realize posting normally would leave my post so far behind.... going to try once more. Stop me if you've noticed all this..

Hey guys, been following this for a while. Great stuff, not sure if it's legit, but it's a damn good read....

A few things on the final CItadel walkthrough...

1. In the corpse hallway, there is webbing on the walls/ceiling, similar to the Rachni tunnels. Hmm?

2. You guys have mentioned Andersons weird positioning ("i'm behind you") and then finding a way in front. Not to strike a blow against the theory, but when you get to the chasm (which he mentions first) if you look to the left and right, there is a small metal cat-walk flush against the wall (covered in bodies if memory serves). This could explain how he gets to the room that seemingly only has one entrance, and does hamper the theory....

3. The two beams that flank the stairs up to the control room (the ones with 1M1 on them) are shaped like the prow guns on Alliance cruisers/dreadnoughts.

4. The floor in the control room (the circular platform that you have TIM and Andersons encounter with) is the same design as the QEC floor plate in TIM's office. Just MUCH larger.

5. I'm surprised no one has mentioned the cylinder that appears in the room after you open the Citadels arms. The floor is flat, but then Shepard and Anderson lean against a raised platform to say their goodbyes.

Now, any and all of this can be chalked up to conincidence, reusing various objects for unity of art direction, or just lazy editing.... or you guys can go nuts.

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krystalevenstar wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

BTW Posted Image

Just for reference, this image is on the back of the box that contained all the CE stuff like the artbook, the patch, postcard, etc.


No thoughts about this? I wasn't here when it was originally posted around page 360 something I think.


Someone is helping Shepard up from the rubble..


or Shepard is helping some up from the rubble...


dang...O_O:O

#10113
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Rahabzu wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

LenabotSE wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

Handren wrote...

Malissin, Synthesis is what Saren wanted. He said a lot about this in ME1.


I don't think so. I played ME1 again (and ME2) over the last few weeks and I don't remember him wanting to literally do what Synthesis did. He was mostly trying to battle the Reaper's influence on him and remain in control.


Negatory - rewatch his final speech on youtube.  He's obsessed with merging man and machine.  Strenghts of both, weaknesses of neither.  Join Sovereign and ascend, yadda yadda.  


I did, numerous times.



He's completely indoctrinated, heavily implanted and spouting the standard Reaper "ascension" lines. It's not what he wanted, but what he's told to want.

Had it been what he wanted, you couldn't have gotten through to him and had him commit suicide.


Isn't it a little strange that synthesis is exactly the Reaper/saren doctrine..


Very strange, which is more evidence for the Theory.

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Icinix wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

RedSpectrum47 wrote...

When someone asked @masseffect to give them a cryptic answer as to whether they had something planned, @masseffect said "the sun is shining"

On the CE box, that hand pulling that arm out of the rubble may be Shepard freeing himself, getting himself back up, and in the background, I see sunlight


Again, where's the time-travel theories? If we're messing with dark energy here, anything could be possible.


Oh hell yeah!!

Future Shep goes back to help past Shep fight indoctrination!


No no no. Time travel is sooo 90s. It's all about metaverses now.

In other words, femshep crosses over to alternative reality to stop indoctrinated maleshep or vice versa.

Possibly making yourself a love interest.

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Stay focused guys, anyway I'm off to bed.

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MasterMenace wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

BTW Posted Image

Just for reference, this image is on the back of the box that contained all the CE stuff like the artbook, the patch, postcard, etc.


No thoughts about this? I wasn't here when it was originally posted around page 360 something I think.


Someone is helping Shepard up from the rubble..


or Shepard is helping some up from the rubble...


dang...O_O:O


or shep is helping shep up from the rubble meaning his own will is lifting him up to contuniue.

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balance5050 wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

Ravax wrote...

Guys, and girls.. bear with me for a sec...

A terrible thought has just crossed my mind...

The general consensus is that they are waiting for the game to be released in asia/japan right?

Well, I live in Shanghai, and have been living in Asia for a while, i know how they are...
I have been to Japan MANY times, and now how they are as well...

Many Japanese (students mainly - high school/University) are under EXTREMELY high levels of stress, and DEPEND on games to alleviate that stress, and blow off steam... You dont understand, it borders religion and worship...

Their reaction to these endings might reach a degree of severity we would not be able to conceive, especially for the ones that have come to love the Mass Effect universe, and have been waiting for ME3 for a while like most of us..

I hate mentioning this, but the thought has crossed my mind, that some of the 'lesser willed' over there, might even contemplate suicide... as they do even just because of their levels of stress associated with jobs/studies...

I hope I am wrong, sincerely...

THIS. Just, THIS. This alone has me worried. Japan's suicide rate has been on the rise, and I have been worried since the day I saw the early leaks that someone, somewhere, may commit suicide because the endings were the final blow. 


Wow, I think you should be reported and banned for so many things right now, has nothing to do with thread. You make me sick troll.

Talking to ravax... but shame on you for feeding a troll 
]Ona Demonie.


I am nothing remotely close to a troll, just mentioning a concern I have... I didn't write it lightly... Your post just makes you a troll.. You have no idea what the Japanese people have gone through with the earthquake, and the post traumatic stress they have been dealing with, and I know how some of them regard video games as an 'escape' from reality...

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Ravax wrote...

Guys, and girls.. bear with me for a sec...

A terrible thought has just crossed my mind...

The general consensus is that they are waiting for the game to be released in asia/japan right?

Well, I live in Shanghai, and have been living in Asia for a while, i know how they are...
I have been to Japan MANY times, and now how they are as well...

Many Japanese (students mainly - high school/University) are under EXTREMELY high levels of stress, and DEPEND on games to alleviate that stress, and blow off steam... You dont understand, it borders religion and worship...

Their reaction to these endings might reach a degree of severity we would not be able to conceive, especially for the ones that have come to love the Mass Effect universe, and have been waiting for ME3 for a while like most of us..

I hate mentioning this, but the thought has crossed my mind, that some of the 'lesser willed' over there, might even contemplate suicide... as they do even just because of their levels of stress associated with jobs/studies...

I hope I am wrong, sincerely...


I was gonna say it, but I thought I'd be racist.

But isn't suicide like a HUGE thing over there, to the point of ludicrousy?

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RC Clone wrote...

squee365 wrote...

RC Clone wrote...

zSeven wrote...

I fully support this theory though I do believe in many cases you guys are grasping at straws. I want to believe Bioware put this much thought into the ending but there will always be that doubt in the back of my mind until it is confirmed.

Forget this thread man. Bioware got rushed and put out this terrible abomination.

This abomination isn't a clever puzzle that was made to trick fans. It's just terrible writing that makes no sense.


And if it was some big trick. Would anyone here prefer they spent time making this trick instead of giving us multiple varied ending like they said they would?


But 95% of the game is not terrible writing, why is ONLY the last couple minutes so terrible? It makes no sense. If something has horrible writing, its obvious from the start, not the very end.

Somewhere along the way bad things happened and they scrapped the well written ending they were working on.

As a result we got this thing.

I definitely would rather have had tehm release a real ending and not this explosions with different colors bs ending we got.

I think my main problem is that this thread premise is to get fans to accept the terrible ending as a legitimate and purposeful creation by Bioware when it was just rushed trash.


It's a theory.  We aren't pushing it on anyone.  If anything, you are the one pushing your ideology on us.  I think the ending is fine up until the Normandy.  There it just goes off left field.  I believe in this theory because it describes my feeling when my Shepard jumped into the beam to commence Synthesis.  I didn't have to wait for the nonsensical epilogues to tell me something is up.

You believe it's rushed trash based solely on your opinion.  We believe there's more to it and have found plenty of support throughout the series to back it up alongside our opinions.  Again, you have the "I guess we don't get the ending we wanted" thread to continue to decry the franchise due to the ending.  That's great, fine.  But coming on here, accusing us in pushing an ideology when we are discussing it amongst ourselves and debating whether we are fooling ourselves or not when you come in and our trying to push the "it's only rushed trash" on us is rather disgusting.  Don't like the theory?  Say your piece, and move on.  

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 14 mars 2012 - 05:04 .


#10120
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MasterMenace wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

BTW Posted Image

Just for reference, this image is on the back of the box that contained all the CE stuff like the artbook, the patch, postcard, etc.


No thoughts about this? I wasn't here when it was originally posted around page 360 something I think.


Someone is helping Shepard up from the rubble..


or Shepard is helping some up from the rubble...


dang...O_O:O


Shepard is helping some up from the rubble. No argument there.
I'm all in for the theory but I believe this artwork contains no implications, just a plain simple picture

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Stop talking about suicide, seriously what the hell.

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so i know this sounds dumb and quite out of place but i wish i knew how to put sigs on my profile so that i can set one of the "indoctrination theory" or one of the "new ending supporting sigs")

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Mallissin wrote...

Icinix wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

RedSpectrum47 wrote...

When someone asked @masseffect to give them a cryptic answer as to whether they had something planned, @masseffect said "the sun is shining"

On the CE box, that hand pulling that arm out of the rubble may be Shepard freeing himself, getting himself back up, and in the background, I see sunlight


Again, where's the time-travel theories? If we're messing with dark energy here, anything could be possible.


Oh hell yeah!!

Future Shep goes back to help past Shep fight indoctrination!


No no no. Time travel is sooo 90s. It's all about metaverses now.

In other words, femshep crosses over to alternative reality to stop indoctrinated maleshep or vice versa.

Possibly making yourself a love interest.


Would that be masturbation or somehow incest?

#10124
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xDarkspace wrote...

MasterMenace wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

BTW Posted Image

Just for reference, this image is on the back of the box that contained all the CE stuff like the artbook, the patch, postcard, etc.


No thoughts about this? I wasn't here when it was originally posted around page 360 something I think.


Someone is helping Shepard up from the rubble..


or Shepard is helping some up from the rubble...


dang...O_O:O


or shep is helping shep up from the rubble meaning his own will is lifting him up to contuniue.


Glad someone commented, I was just about to leave the thread until the usual people show up in a few hours XD That's an interesting though, Shepard pulling himself out of the rubble. It's definitely London rubble, and the background makes it look like it was just struck with some kind of laser >_>

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balance5050 wrote...

Wow, I think you should be reported and banned for so many things right now, has nothing to do with thread. You make me sick troll.

Talking to ravax... but shame on you for feeding a troll 
]Ona Demonie.

How about you step away from the keyboard and take a deep breath? I am not feeding a troll. She brought up an valid point that has truth to it. If you ever studied Japanese culture, you will indeed find that a lot of the people are stressed. Part of their culture is work and they take education seriously. It's not common to find a lot of people going to bars at night from a hard day's work. Students DO play video games as stress reliver, whether they are American, Japanese, or another ethinicity. If you actually google your information, you will find the dark side to Japan's society when it comes to suicide. I'm not saying there's going to be suicides, but knowing how the human mind works with stress, depression, and other factors, I wouldn't be surprised if someone, somewhere took a drastic action. I hate going off topic, but calling her a "troll" for speaking the truth isn't acceptable.