have we brought up a point where you can see the numbers of oily shadow things increase as you have more nightmares? I am not that tenacious to go through 410 pages...
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#10327
Posté 14 mars 2012 - 06:42
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I havent checked this thread today (past 100 pages) any crazy new updates?
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 06:42
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Edit: Sorry... just thought you guys wanted to be aware. I'll shut up and just lurk again. 
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#10329
Posté 14 mars 2012 - 06:43
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Emperor_Ike wrote...
Tygur wrote...
Emperor_Ike wrote...
But the screen shakes when the Rannoch reaper talks, so it seems to me like something that should be perceived audibly
It makes noise, sure, but you remember ME1 where he talked with the hologram one? Only Shep could understand it because of the beacons....
Right you are, of course; but the Prothean VI on Thessia could make itself understood by the squad. Why not a supposedly infinitely powerful reaper?
Hmm. Missed this somehow.
No, he's mistaken. The hologram that only Shepard could understand was Prothean, not Reaper. Reapers have always communicated in universal... language? That one on Rannoch spoke the same way that Sovereign did, that same booming, deep, dark voice. If you notice, that's actually Sovereign's theme from ME1 playing in the background too. I'm not sure what it all means though.
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#10330
Posté 14 mars 2012 - 06:45
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JediNg wrote...
Radioflyer3 wrote...
So I guess it is safe to say the Assume Control ending is indoctrination.
Ok, I just found this here: https://twitter.com/#!/masseffect
Malcom Stewart @iGoTzPancaKeMix
@masseffect playing #MassEffect3 while listening to the #ME3 soundtrack while using #ME3 datapad. Clearly I'm indoctrinated
9:10 PM - 13 Mar 12 via Twitter for iPhone · Details
Mass Effect @masseffect Close
@igotzpancakemix Sounds like you're assuming direct control ; )
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While I seriously hope this theory is 'correct,' and admire your enthusiasm, take care not to get to a point where you are going on blind optimism or belief. Though I know Garrus preferred blind optimism
Ah, but we passed blind optimism long ago, we are now at the stage of 'well we did what we set out to do and destroyed the Reapers...' Now we are casual observers. We occasionaly distribute input in order to observe the reactions to such intervention, such as we did with the false information fed to the Asari pertaining to the alignment of stars and their religion.
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 06:45
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Kami102 wrote...
http://kotaku.com/58...dium=socialflow
sorta off-topic but hmm... Kotaku is getting on my nerves :/
Then stop linking them so they get pageviews. They want pageviews. You're giving it to them.
#10332
Posté 14 mars 2012 - 06:45
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balance5050 wrote...
to make up for it here is a collection of tweets
Some really cryptic tweets from Jessica Merizan tonight....
User 1 -Well, i think i'll stop naggin you and trying to get you to talk about the indoctrination theory.Good game though!
Merizan - I want people to make up their own minds right now, then when more people have played we'll talk
User 2 - then I want to SEE that he was lying. I want to get up and finish the fight with Commander Shepard. Then retire.
Merizan - augh. want. to. discuss! Staying spoiler free for now
User 3 - But should've confronted the kid instead. Shep went meekly into the night.
Merizan - are you sure he went meekly into the night?
All these tweets just make me feel as if there looking for a way out of there own terrible writing. Its upsetting that they should have to do that.
Write a good ending to begin with. Don't have the fans bull **** one up for you and then pretend like it's what you were thinking the whole time.
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 06:47
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Rifneno wrote...
Emperor_Ike wrote...
Tygur wrote...
Emperor_Ike wrote...
But the screen shakes when the Rannoch reaper talks, so it seems to me like something that should be perceived audibly
It makes noise, sure, but you remember ME1 where he talked with the hologram one? Only Shep could understand it because of the beacons....
Right you are, of course; but the Prothean VI on Thessia could make itself understood by the squad. Why not a supposedly infinitely powerful reaper?
Hmm. Missed this somehow.
No, he's mistaken. The hologram that only Shepard could understand was Prothean, not Reaper. Reapers have always communicated in universal... language? That one on Rannoch spoke the same way that Sovereign did, that same booming, deep, dark voice. If you notice, that's actually Sovereign's theme from ME1 playing in the background too. I'm not sure what it all means though.
It just means Tali and Legion didn't pipe up for some excessively silly reason, hah
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 06:47
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I'm Commander Shepard and I support the OP
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 06:48
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Little Lummo wrote...
If only these were options...
http://www.tumblr.co...v2e1CxZd1qh43rr
LMAO but the paragon option should be to give him your gun and get him to shoot himself in the face.
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 06:49
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Even if this is true, why the hell did the game end when it did? It shouldn't have! They should have delayed the game if they had to. Do what you have to do to offer the best experience possible!
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#10337
Posté 14 mars 2012 - 06:49
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Auresta wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
to make up for it here is a collection of tweets
Some really cryptic tweets from Jessica Merizan tonight....
User 1 -Well, i think i'll stop naggin you and trying to get you to talk about the indoctrination theory.
Merizan - I want people to make up their own minds right now, then when more people have played we'll talk
User 2 - then I want to SEE that he was lying. I want to get up and finish the fight with Commander Shepard. Then retire.
Merizan - augh. want. to. discuss! Staying spoiler free for now
User 3 - But should've confronted the kid instead. Shep went meekly into the night.
Merizan - are you sure he went meekly into the night?
She also tweeted something 6 min about addressing end game dlc / real ending dlc and having to pay for it and she said not to trust her word for it, but that it wasn't the intention. Then she removed it. I also feel like a conspiracist.
edit: if this was the "close" thing, then you can ignore it.
sweet
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 06:50
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I am starting to think that this thread is full of second wave new comers asking questions that has been discussed among our 410 pages... read the OP and read Indoctrination theory.
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 06:51
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WARNING, A LOT of wild speculations are about to follow:
Lets go further back than the immediate ending of the game, Cerberus base:I think the Illusive man had predicted Shepherd would come. The fact that he had left before Shepherd arrived suggests that he prepared for his arrival. How does a proffesional Assasin like Kai Leng fail to detect a simple tracking device is also suspicious. I also think the Illusive man had found a way to combat indoctrination. If you remember the video recording of him speaking to a doctor speaking about a procedure, the nature of this procedure was never revealed. Yes, this procedure may indeed enhance the effects of indoctrination, the fact we see him on the Citadel completely indoctrinated may suggests this. However, when he was talking to Shepherd in his base, he seemed completely sane, and one could assume that this is some time after the procedure.
He also tells Shepherd to ask the Prothean VI about the Catalyst etc, why would he do this? I think its because he already reprogrammed the VI to answer Shepherds questions in the way he wants, he is intentionally trying to decieve Shepherd into believing that he had informed the Reapers about the Citedal.
The Illusive man is a cunning villian, the fact he loses his composure in the final moments in the Citedal seems unlike him, giving the theory that he his not indoctrinated. We know he indoctrinates his forces, but would a man who's belief in human survival is so strong be indoctrinated himself? I agree with the idea that his encounter in the Citedal, along with Anderson was an illusion.
Now jump forward to where Shepherd is making his fianl approach to the beam.
The fact that Shepherd are both without an UI interface and without the presence of any squadmates reminds me of the nightmare scenes.
When he reaches the Citadel, he is 'controlled' by the Illusive man and shoots Anderson, how is this possible? What are the black linings around him? Why is Anderson moving around so strangely like he is also being controlled?
The scene with the kid, the choices and their implications had already being elaborately explained by many others, I won't go into details.
Now skip forward to the crash scene. I always though the planet looked slightly familiar, but couldn't be sure when I last saw it. Then I remembered another crashed ship on tropic planet. Jacob's loyalty mission, that looks a lot like the planet the Normandy crahed on. What I think happened is that it is still apart of Shepherd illusion, the Normandy crashing is a manisfation of his past experiences. If you think about, the crash makes very little sense, as some people have already pointed out, the chances of being blown through space and to land in tact on a garden world are pretty remote. Also, if the explosion from the Mass Relays are destructive, like they are shown in the scene where Joker tries to escape the blast, shouldn't that wipe out a good chunk of the solar system? Also note the scene where we see the relays explode in a chain reaction on the galaxy map, it doesn't start in the Sol system, where the Citedal was, but on the edge of what looks like Batarian space, although the beam emmited from the Citedal supposedly hits the Sol relay first.
Also, the relation between EMS and the choices you are given may also suggest that the ending was an illusion. In ME2 it is clearly explained why we need the loyalty of the squad members in order for them to survive, its because they need to be focused on the mission. It doesn't make perfect sense, but its an explaination. There is no explaination in how EMS should affect whether or not the Normandy survives a blast, nor is there an explaination on why you need to get above 3500 EMS to choose the Synthesis ending. What I think is that without enough EMS, Shepherd subconciously knows that his crew will not survive, thus he does not imagine them surviving the crash, or in reality, the battle of earth. When he had to choice given by the Catalyst, without enough EMS, the reapers does not see Shepherd as a threat, therefore they simply present him with two options. Destroy is what Shepherd always wanted to do, and control is him being Indoctrinated. However, with enough forces on earth, the Reapers see their enemies as enough of a threat to provide a 'comprimise' merging synthetics and organics, disguised as 'the final evolution of life' . If you think about this concept, the only things that we know are partly organic and synthetic are the reapers themselves, think back to ME2 and what EDI said about the signals emmitted by the human reaper.
Finally, Bioware role in all this. I can't argue against the fact that this it is extremely unlikely for a business to attempt a stunt like this: give the players an incomplete game in order for them to experience something by playing through fake endings. Not only is it extremely risky: the initial response of the endings could damage sales, it also leads uproar amongst the fans. The extremely vague twitter posts aside, I recall official statements on how the ending will make some fans extremely angry, or extremely happy. If this indoctrination theory is correct, this would make some people angry, because they feel manipulated, and others very happy and relieved. Of course, this comment may refer to the current response from the fans. In a recent interview, the director of the game had also said that he wanted the experience to be memoriable and found the fact there are loads of speculation and discussion about the ending important to the game. Link is below:
http://www.digitaltr...-controversies/
I really don't want to get my hopes up too high, it could really be just bad writing, in which case, the fleet should probably mobilize. However, if this really was the plan all along, Bioware may have pulled off the most incredible stunt in gaming history.
Lets go further back than the immediate ending of the game, Cerberus base:I think the Illusive man had predicted Shepherd would come. The fact that he had left before Shepherd arrived suggests that he prepared for his arrival. How does a proffesional Assasin like Kai Leng fail to detect a simple tracking device is also suspicious. I also think the Illusive man had found a way to combat indoctrination. If you remember the video recording of him speaking to a doctor speaking about a procedure, the nature of this procedure was never revealed. Yes, this procedure may indeed enhance the effects of indoctrination, the fact we see him on the Citadel completely indoctrinated may suggests this. However, when he was talking to Shepherd in his base, he seemed completely sane, and one could assume that this is some time after the procedure.
He also tells Shepherd to ask the Prothean VI about the Catalyst etc, why would he do this? I think its because he already reprogrammed the VI to answer Shepherds questions in the way he wants, he is intentionally trying to decieve Shepherd into believing that he had informed the Reapers about the Citedal.
The Illusive man is a cunning villian, the fact he loses his composure in the final moments in the Citedal seems unlike him, giving the theory that he his not indoctrinated. We know he indoctrinates his forces, but would a man who's belief in human survival is so strong be indoctrinated himself? I agree with the idea that his encounter in the Citedal, along with Anderson was an illusion.
Now jump forward to where Shepherd is making his fianl approach to the beam.
The fact that Shepherd are both without an UI interface and without the presence of any squadmates reminds me of the nightmare scenes.
When he reaches the Citadel, he is 'controlled' by the Illusive man and shoots Anderson, how is this possible? What are the black linings around him? Why is Anderson moving around so strangely like he is also being controlled?
The scene with the kid, the choices and their implications had already being elaborately explained by many others, I won't go into details.
Now skip forward to the crash scene. I always though the planet looked slightly familiar, but couldn't be sure when I last saw it. Then I remembered another crashed ship on tropic planet. Jacob's loyalty mission, that looks a lot like the planet the Normandy crahed on. What I think happened is that it is still apart of Shepherd illusion, the Normandy crashing is a manisfation of his past experiences. If you think about, the crash makes very little sense, as some people have already pointed out, the chances of being blown through space and to land in tact on a garden world are pretty remote. Also, if the explosion from the Mass Relays are destructive, like they are shown in the scene where Joker tries to escape the blast, shouldn't that wipe out a good chunk of the solar system? Also note the scene where we see the relays explode in a chain reaction on the galaxy map, it doesn't start in the Sol system, where the Citedal was, but on the edge of what looks like Batarian space, although the beam emmited from the Citedal supposedly hits the Sol relay first.
Also, the relation between EMS and the choices you are given may also suggest that the ending was an illusion. In ME2 it is clearly explained why we need the loyalty of the squad members in order for them to survive, its because they need to be focused on the mission. It doesn't make perfect sense, but its an explaination. There is no explaination in how EMS should affect whether or not the Normandy survives a blast, nor is there an explaination on why you need to get above 3500 EMS to choose the Synthesis ending. What I think is that without enough EMS, Shepherd subconciously knows that his crew will not survive, thus he does not imagine them surviving the crash, or in reality, the battle of earth. When he had to choice given by the Catalyst, without enough EMS, the reapers does not see Shepherd as a threat, therefore they simply present him with two options. Destroy is what Shepherd always wanted to do, and control is him being Indoctrinated. However, with enough forces on earth, the Reapers see their enemies as enough of a threat to provide a 'comprimise' merging synthetics and organics, disguised as 'the final evolution of life' . If you think about this concept, the only things that we know are partly organic and synthetic are the reapers themselves, think back to ME2 and what EDI said about the signals emmitted by the human reaper.
Finally, Bioware role in all this. I can't argue against the fact that this it is extremely unlikely for a business to attempt a stunt like this: give the players an incomplete game in order for them to experience something by playing through fake endings. Not only is it extremely risky: the initial response of the endings could damage sales, it also leads uproar amongst the fans. The extremely vague twitter posts aside, I recall official statements on how the ending will make some fans extremely angry, or extremely happy. If this indoctrination theory is correct, this would make some people angry, because they feel manipulated, and others very happy and relieved. Of course, this comment may refer to the current response from the fans. In a recent interview, the director of the game had also said that he wanted the experience to be memoriable and found the fact there are loads of speculation and discussion about the ending important to the game. Link is below:
http://www.digitaltr...-controversies/
I really don't want to get my hopes up too high, it could really be just bad writing, in which case, the fleet should probably mobilize. However, if this really was the plan all along, Bioware may have pulled off the most incredible stunt in gaming history.
Modifié par Eyjh, 14 mars 2012 - 06:53 .
#10340
Posté 14 mars 2012 - 06:53
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Bluefuse wrote...
Even if this is true, why the hell did the game end when it did? It shouldn't have! They should have delayed the game if they had to. Do what you have to do to offer the best experience possible!
People have been speculating that it's because BioWare didn't want the "real" ending to get leaked.
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 06:54
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It's late and maybe my brain is fried. I think we're getting too caught up in the idea of indoctrination. I think it might be something much simpler and stranger.
For the record, whatever happens, this was a horrible way to handle it and a terrible thing to do to loyal fans. "Wink wink if you only knew you'd stop complaining and be so happy with us!" does not a happy customer base nor successful product make. Badly played, all around, and that's the best-case. "If you only knew, you wouldn't be upset." So, you knew we'd be upset? Or, isn't this an argument for letting us know?
Be that as it may. I hit upon this idea in the Threadnaught about "so we don't get the ending?" that's become a focus for new folks to the forums to wander in to. Bear with me a moment, I may be just hallucinating
Let's say the whole final scenes and the god-boi Catalyst thing is symbolic, in Shep's head. He, in fact, has become the Catalyst. A catalyst is something that facilitates a reaction, but does not take part in it. This last distinction is important: most people think of a catalyst as "extra fuel" that gives a boost. This is not correct. A Catalyst can alter the environment a reaction takes place in, altering the reaction, but not being consumed or itself reacting.
So. I think Shepard is the Catalyst. He has become one, by doing what you've done as the player: setting pieces in place, mediating disputes, forming alliances: he has altered the environment.
The three silly A B C choices are symbolic as well, and not literal. Instead of "the action to take right now," it is "the future you choose." In this context, the broad choices almost make sense.
- Will you dominate synthetics, and slave them to your will?
- Will you destroy them outright, and abolish them from the galaxy?
- Or will you work towards a harmonious future - one shown literally in the final scenes, but really meaning only a desire to work together, as one people, as all sentients?
If this is valid in any way, then the "real" ending hasn't happened. Shepard really is zonked out / still in that beam / anything, really, no indoctrination needed: I think this has potential as what Bioware may have had in mind. It's not the Reaper conflict Shepard pushes the green/red/blue button on, but his own doubts, his own choices, the conflict in his own mind, his guilt and regret over not being able to save everyone.
There are holes. It's odd that the only ending that shows a sign of Shep's life is "destroy all synthetics." Not only does this trash everything you worked for, towards an understanding between the Geth and Quarians, or even your own crew and EDI, but Shep himself is partly synthetic; if anything, this should be the only ending he *doesn't* survive.
If we go further and integrate this idea with Indoctrination, it gets nuttier o_O. TIM's "control" choice is blue because you are meant to regard it as the right thing to do, and Destroy is red because you are meant to regard it as the wrong thing to do. We are, ourselves, Indoctrinated to the idea that blue choices are Paragon and red are Renegade.
I - yeah, i think that's all the coherence I have right now. Chew that over and see what you think.
For the record, whatever happens, this was a horrible way to handle it and a terrible thing to do to loyal fans. "Wink wink if you only knew you'd stop complaining and be so happy with us!" does not a happy customer base nor successful product make. Badly played, all around, and that's the best-case. "If you only knew, you wouldn't be upset." So, you knew we'd be upset? Or, isn't this an argument for letting us know?
Be that as it may. I hit upon this idea in the Threadnaught about "so we don't get the ending?" that's become a focus for new folks to the forums to wander in to. Bear with me a moment, I may be just hallucinating
Let's say the whole final scenes and the god-boi Catalyst thing is symbolic, in Shep's head. He, in fact, has become the Catalyst. A catalyst is something that facilitates a reaction, but does not take part in it. This last distinction is important: most people think of a catalyst as "extra fuel" that gives a boost. This is not correct. A Catalyst can alter the environment a reaction takes place in, altering the reaction, but not being consumed or itself reacting.
So. I think Shepard is the Catalyst. He has become one, by doing what you've done as the player: setting pieces in place, mediating disputes, forming alliances: he has altered the environment.
The three silly A B C choices are symbolic as well, and not literal. Instead of "the action to take right now," it is "the future you choose." In this context, the broad choices almost make sense.
- Will you dominate synthetics, and slave them to your will?
- Will you destroy them outright, and abolish them from the galaxy?
- Or will you work towards a harmonious future - one shown literally in the final scenes, but really meaning only a desire to work together, as one people, as all sentients?
If this is valid in any way, then the "real" ending hasn't happened. Shepard really is zonked out / still in that beam / anything, really, no indoctrination needed: I think this has potential as what Bioware may have had in mind. It's not the Reaper conflict Shepard pushes the green/red/blue button on, but his own doubts, his own choices, the conflict in his own mind, his guilt and regret over not being able to save everyone.
There are holes. It's odd that the only ending that shows a sign of Shep's life is "destroy all synthetics." Not only does this trash everything you worked for, towards an understanding between the Geth and Quarians, or even your own crew and EDI, but Shep himself is partly synthetic; if anything, this should be the only ending he *doesn't* survive.
If we go further and integrate this idea with Indoctrination, it gets nuttier o_O. TIM's "control" choice is blue because you are meant to regard it as the right thing to do, and Destroy is red because you are meant to regard it as the wrong thing to do. We are, ourselves, Indoctrinated to the idea that blue choices are Paragon and red are Renegade
.I - yeah, i think that's all the coherence I have right now. Chew that over and see what you think.
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 06:54
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Emperor_Ike wrote...
It just means Tali and Legion didn't pipe up for some excessively silly reason, hah
Maybe. But that's not the only oddity with the scene. The way the screen shakes is weird. It's not like this is the first time Shepard's been around big loud noises. More importantly, it doesn't just speak in Sovereign's voice, Sovereign's theme is playing. Granted we haven't heard a lot of Reapers talk, but Harbinger doesn't have Sovereign's voice. Why does this one? And why did they dig up Sovereign's theme?
Although, I kind of wonder if the start of it is meme bait. "Shepard." I half expect Shepard to respond "Nazara."
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 06:58
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Eyjh wrote...
WARNING, A LOT of wild speculations are about to follow:
Lets go further back than the immediate ending of the game, Cerberus base:I think the Illusive man had predicted Shepherd would come. The fact that he had left before Shepherd arrived suggests that he prepared for his arrival. How does a proffesional Assasin like Kai Leng fail to detect a simple tracking device is also suspicious. I also think the Illusive man had found a way to combat indoctrination. If you remember the video recording of him speaking to a doctor speaking about a procedure, the nature of this procedure was never revealed. Yes, this procedure may indeed enhance the effects of indoctrination, the fact we see him on the Citadel completely indoctrinated may suggests this. However, when he was talking to Shepherd in his base, he seemed completely sane, and one could assume that this is some time after the procedure.
He also tells Shepherd to ask the Prothean VI about the Catalyst etc, why would he do this? I think its because he already reprogrammed the VI to answer Shepherds questions in the way he wants, he is intentionally trying to decieve Shepherd into believing that he had informed the Reapers about the Citedal.
The Illusive man is a cunning villian, the fact he loses his composure in the final moments in the Citedal seems unlike him, giving the theory that he his not indoctrinated. We know he indoctrinates his forces, but would a man who's belief in human survival is so strong be indoctrinated himself? I agree with the idea that his encounter in the Citedal, along with Anderson was an illusion.
Now jump forward to where Shepherd is making his fianl approach to the beam.
The fact that Shepherd are both without an UI interface and without the presence of any squadmates reminds me of the nightmare scenes.
When he reaches the Citadel, he is 'controlled' by the Illusive man and shoots Anderson, how is this possible? What are the black linings around him? Why is Anderson moving around so strangely like he is also being controlled?
The scene with the kid, the choices and their implications had already being elaborately explained by many others, I won't go into details.
Now skip forward to the crash scene. I always though the planet looked slightly familiar, but couldn't be sure when I last saw it. Then I remembered another crashed ship on tropic planet. Jacob's loyalty mission, that looks a lot like the planet the Normandy crahed on. What I think happened is that it is still apart of Shepherd illusion, the Normandy crashing is a manisfation of his past experiences. If you think about, the crash makes very little sense, as some people have already pointed out, the chances of being blown through space and to land in tact on a garden world are pretty remote. Also, if the explosion from the Mass Relays are destructive, like they are shown in the scene where Joker tries to escape the blast, shouldn't that wipe out a good chunk of the solar system? Also note the scene where we see the relays explode in a chain reaction on the galaxy map, it doesn't start in the Sol system, where the Citedal was, but on the edge of what looks like Batarian space, although the beam emmited from the Citedal supposedly hits the Sol relay first.
Also, the relation between EMS and the choices you are given may also suggest that the ending was an illusion. In ME2 it is clearly explained why we need the loyalty of the squad members in order for them to survive, its because they need to be focused on the mission. It doesn't make perfect sense, but its an explaination. There is no explaination in how EMS should affect whether or not the Normandy survives a blast, nor is there an explaination on why you need to get above 3500 EMS to choose the Synthesis ending. What I think is that without enough EMS, Shepherd subconciously knows that his crew will not survive, thus he does not imagine them surviving the crash, or in reality, the battle of earth. When he had to choice given by the Catalyst, without enough EMS, the reapers does not see Shepherd as a threat, therefore they simply present him with two options. Destroy is what Shepherd always wanted to do, and control is him being Indoctrinated. However, with enough forces on earth, the Reapers see their enemies as enough of a threat to provide a 'comprimise' merging synthetics and organics, disguised as 'the final evolution of life' . If you think about this concept, the only things that we know are partly organic and synthetic are the reapers themselves, think back to ME2 and what EDI said about the signals emmitted by the human reaper.
Finally, Bioware role in all this. I can't argue against the fact that this it is extremely unlikely for a business to attempt a stunt like this: give the players an incomplete game in order for them to experience something by playing through fake endings. Not only is it extremely risky: the initial response of the endings could damage sales, it also leads uproar amongst the fans. The extremely vague twitter posts aside, I recall official statements on how the ending will make some fans extremely angry, or extremely happy. If this indoctrination theory is correct, this would make some people angry, because they feel manipulated, and others very happy and relieved. Of course, this comment may refer to the current response from the fans. In a recent interview, the director of the game had also said that he wanted the experience to be memoriable and found the fact there are loads of speculation and discussion about the ending important to the game. Link is below:
http://www.digitaltr...-controversies/
I really don't want to get my hopes up too high, it could really be just bad writing, in which case, the fleet should probably mobilize. However, if this really was the plan all along, Bioware may have pulled off the most incredible stunt in gaming history.
I don't know if this was discussed.
I had never thought of that. Does anyone have any pictures from Jacobs loyalty mission to make a comparison?
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 07:00
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@JessicaMerizan So it's been 3 games and Shep has never been indoctrinated? Or are we missing something?
@3K__ what do you think?
@JessicaMerizan So it's been 3 games and Shep has never been indoctrinated? Or are we missing something?
@3K__ what do you think?
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 07:00
UKillMeLongTime
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well if they dont do something in dlc you can bet many a ME3 will be traded in for another new game
some are pissed enough to not want more mp so that dlc will not appeal to them
and what SP dlc would be worth playing if the ending is 'as is'
a few will but more will go find a new game to play and kiss GOTY and other awards bye bye
some are pissed enough to not want more mp so that dlc will not appeal to them
and what SP dlc would be worth playing if the ending is 'as is'
a few will but more will go find a new game to play and kiss GOTY and other awards bye bye
#10346
Posté 14 mars 2012 - 07:01
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Sl4sh3r wrote...
Eyjh wrote...
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I don't know if this was discussed.
I had never thought of that. Does anyone have any pictures from Jacobs loyalty mission to make a comparison?
If you're gonna say that, then why can't it be Aite, where Project Overlord was? Even down to the overlapping moons.
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#10347
Posté 14 mars 2012 - 07:01
Martukis
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If blue is a color coordinated with indoctrination, does it mean anything that the Alliance colors switched to favor blue rather than red?
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 07:01
C Trayne
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i have a question... it may have been answered here but I dont really want to go through 400 pages of forum at 3 am... sorry
let me first say that i too find the endings atrocious and would love for this theory to be true... that being said i feel i must play devils advocate here to ask this
The one thing that strikes me odd about this theory is if shepard was being indoctrinated and this was all going on inside shepards head why did he need to see or why did the reapers need to portray the mass relays being destroyed??? I feel as though it would have had the exact same effect if the blast just jumped from system to system destroying/controlling/synthesizing everything in them... IDK just seems odd they would show the relays being destroyed. Maybe they just wanted more destruction and depression idk
let me first say that i too find the endings atrocious and would love for this theory to be true... that being said i feel i must play devils advocate here to ask this
The one thing that strikes me odd about this theory is if shepard was being indoctrinated and this was all going on inside shepards head why did he need to see or why did the reapers need to portray the mass relays being destroyed??? I feel as though it would have had the exact same effect if the blast just jumped from system to system destroying/controlling/synthesizing everything in them... IDK just seems odd they would show the relays being destroyed. Maybe they just wanted more destruction and depression idk
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 07:02
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Just the fact that most of the fanbase would rather speculate an alternate ending for themselves instead of accepting that the 3 doors was it, that should be a hint to BioWare about how rotten the execution of the conclusion was.
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Posté 14 mars 2012 - 07:04
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Sl4sh3r wrote...
Eyjh wrote...
WARNING, A LOT of wild speculations are about to follow:
I really don't want to get my hopes up too high, it could really be just bad writing, in which case, the fleet should probably mobilize. However, if this really was the plan all along, Bioware may have pulled off the most incredible stunt in gaming history.
I don't know if this was discussed.
I had never thought of that. Does anyone have any pictures from Jacobs loyalty mission to make a comparison?
2175 Aeia. Yep, two moons. Useless food. Really hope they didn't crash there, if crash they did
