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[Sajuro]

FugitiveMind wrote...

humes spork wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Except that James is on the opposite side of the ship and a deck (two decks by the elevator) below Eva's body and I would expect Cortez to say something if that was it since he sleeps beneath the AI core it seems.

Yeah, the Eva link isn't particularly compelling, unless you add in the prospect EDI was broadcasting an Indoctrination signal through the whole damn ship via intercom. Still, putting a device in the cargo bay exposes a lot of crew, especially when they'd be leaving for and coming back from missions which would be when hormonal stress reaction would be highest.

I seem to recall a convo with Cortez about having a good eye that the shuttle is new with new stealth technology like that of the Normandy... you know, the stuff Cerberus installed...

And since James seems to always be working out down in the cargo bay...
Also the shuttle would explain it if everyone else down there was working on the Normandy, maybe a Cerberus plant slipped it on then.

[Fat Headed Wolf]

So just ended.... Not gonna say anything cuz my momma said to be nice...

Intrigued by this hallucination thingy though. However, could someone help me out with something. I've heard about this post credits vid that shows Shep like covered in rubble or something while wearing his armor. I didn't see it. All I saw post credits was some old dude talking to some young kid about "the Shepard" (ugh....).

Is he like in the corner or something, or am I completely off here?

Thanks to you all.

[vengerturtle]

Daedrus_0837 wrote...

keginkc wrote...

k8ee wrote...

@krystalevenstar
Yes, hope. That has always been a big thing, especially in this game, and really there is no hope with the endings presented to us.

I dunno.  Maybe no hope for Shepard as an individual, but the entire ending rang as hope for the galaxy to me.  Especially the sythesize ending, where you've essentially saved every form of life in the galaxy, organic and synthetic alike.  And then the end scene with the Normandy, as bizarrely out of place as it seemed to have them flying far away from Earth, is hope in a nutshell, with EDI and Joker basically set up as adam and eve for a new hybrid race on some beautiful and perfect planet somewhere.  I actually loved that part once I shut down the "wtf is the normandy doing?" part of my brain.  Sure, you apparently have stranded your LI there, too, but even that's a happy "saved the one I loved" moment.

Any ending that involves the Mass Relays being destroyed pretty much seals the fates of many of the various races. Quarians in Sol are screwed, as are Turians, since neither of those races can consume Human food. Earth is too small to accomodate the population of ships above, so those people will live out of their ships until they run out of resources, which will happen soon since there isn't alot of EZO in Sol.

Also, my interpretation of saving the one(s) I love does not involve stranding them on a planet by themselves. Especially if you had Liara (850 years by herself) or Tali (going to die a slow, horrible death).

Not to mention that what happens to the quarians/turians in the Sol system is probably happening everywhere else, too. People are going to end up stranded in systems that can't support them in one way or another - no inhabitable planets they can get to before they run out of fuel, or ones that can but they have to try and eek out an awful existence probably similar to what happened with Jacob's father, etc. Any planet that relies a lot on importing anything neccessary for life is in trouble probably. And we've got an army of krogan who can now successfully breed just sitting on/near Earth; how long before they decide if they can't get back to Tuchanka, earth will work just as well? 

[humes spork]

DrDetective wrote...

Javik never left the cargo hold, for me.

I personally caught Javik in engineering, below engineering where Jack stayed, port and starboard observation, and the mess. I didn't allow Allers on the ship so I don't know if he ever goes into starboard storage.

Basically, unless it's precluded for obvious reasons, if a ME2 crewmember was there you'll eventually find Javik poking around and he'll comment on that given squaddie.

[FugitiveMind]

krystalevenstar wrote...

I've got the 360 version, so I can't get a picture yet since my boyfriend is in the room and he's still playing ME2. Driving me crazy I can't discuss all this insanity with him XD

Same issue... my wife is playing now.

Hard to be supportive when I know what an emotional beatdown she's in for...

Thankfully at the rate she's going this could all be fixed by the time she's done...

And while I'm dreaming i want a pony

[lookingglassmind]

FFZero wrote...

Honestly if the endings do all turn out to be a hallucinations from indoctrination Mass Effects writers are some of the craftiest buggers ever to walk the earth. If however this was not their original intention it could be an easy way for them to change the endings.

Call me crazy, but I'd ALMOST be arguing this tangent. Almost. I mean... if we just look at Shepard alone. The name almost begs an a priori intention: Shepard acts as a shepherd to bring all of the evolved species to the Crucible. I mean, this of course could be explained away by a million more plausible things, but my brain's going in some weird directions tonight.

[Ormeriel]

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

So just ended.... Not gonna say anything cuz my momma said to be nice...

Intrigued by this hallucination thingy though. However, could someone help me out with something. I've heard about this post credits vid that shows Shep like covered in rubble or something while wearing his armor. I didn't see it. All I saw post credits was some old dude talking to some young kid about "the Shepard" (ugh....).

Is he like in the corner or something, or am I completely off here?

Thanks to you all.

To see it you need to chose to destroy the reapers and you need 5k+ Effective military, which is REALLY hard if you don't do the multiplayer.

[rogueagent6]

As requested:

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Indoctrination

And to quote that:

"Only people with immense mental strength are able to resist indoctrination, and even then, only for a short time. "

[DrDetective]

I did not know that. I checked on my whole squad every time I returned to the ship, and he never moved...

[Yuzna75]

If its a dream or indoctrination still doesn't fix that its a p*** poor ending. Why would a game that was pretty straight forward all of a sudden go all bonkers in the last act? Every little thing so far that proves a point could also prove another so there is no conclusive evidence either way. I really think they dropped the ball on this one, not sure what they were thinking. Reaper tech doesn't equal indoctrination, sure it leaves a tiny little opening for it, but unless every little part of a reaper drips of indoctrination its all a moot point. The whole end with the ship being stranded on a planet makes absolutely no sense, dream or no dream. I am glad that everyone is trying to find reason in this mess of an end, but I remain pessimistic until something really conclusive pops up. Thanks everyone though for keeping this entertaining.

[lookingglassmind]

rogueagent6 wrote...

As requested:

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Indoctrination

And to quote that:

"Only people with immense mental strength are able to resist indoctrination, and even then, only for a short time. "

rougeagent6! Stick around on this thread! You've been such an excellent contributor to the theories here.

[Fat Headed Wolf]

Ormeriel wrote...

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

So just ended.... Not gonna say anything cuz my momma said to be nice...

Intrigued by this hallucination thingy though. However, could someone help me out with something. I've heard about this post credits vid that shows Shep like covered in rubble or something while wearing his armor. I didn't see it. All I saw post credits was some old dude talking to some young kid about "the Shepard" (ugh....).

Is he like in the corner or something, or am I completely off here?

Thanks to you all.

To see it you need to chose to destroy the reapers and you need 5k+ Effective military, which is REALLY hard if you don't do the multiplayer.

Okay, thanks for that. I had the 5k but didn't destroy reapears. Jumped into beam and Deus Ex'd the hell out of the galaxy apparently (SCIENCE!). 

Don't know if anyone mentioned it, but I remember Vega saying something about hearing a hum and asking if it was just him. Isn't hearing a hum or high pitch a sign of indocrintaion. I'm probably reaching, but I can hope, right? 

Modifié par Fat Headed Wolf, 11 mars 2012 - 04:50 .

[Ormeriel]

FFZero wrote...

Honestly if the endings do all turn out to be hallucinations from indoctrination Mass Effects writers are some of the craftiest buggers ever to walk the earth. If however this was not their original intention it could be an easy way for them to change the endings.

That's the thing, I redid the whole Citadel return part, by trying to look at all the detail or inconsistencies that actually would fit with a dream/hallucination like state, and there are a LOT more of those, than things that would contradict it

So I have no doubt that if is turning to be this, it was on purpose.

[Ormeriel]

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

Okay, thanks for that. I had the 5k but didn't destroy reapears. Jumped into beam and Deus Ex'd the hell out of the galaxy apparently (SCIENCE!). 

Don't know if anyone mentioned it, but I remember Vega saying something about hearing a hum and asking if it was just him. Isn't hearing a hum or high pitch a sign of indocrintaion. I'm probably reaching, but I can hope, right? 

Yes it is, it is clearly written in the codex entry.

[Elenterx]

PLEASE BE A HALLUCINATION

please god...

[humes spork]

lookingglassmind wrote...

Call me crazy, but I'd ALMOST be arguing this tangent. Almost. I mean... if we just look at Shepard alone. The name almost begs an a priori intention: Shepard acts as a shepherd to bring all of the evolved species to the Crucible. I mean, this of course could be explained away by a million more plausible things, but my brain's going in some weird directions tonight.

The irony is that not a week ago I was in the ending megathread in the gameplay forum talking about how my dream ending to ME3 is that Shepard has been Indoctrinated and the ending sequence turns into a surrealist Silent Hill-style mindf*ck of immense proportions with the actual battle as the backdrop.

My post's still on that thread...somewhere around page 160 or so, I think.

Modifié par humes spork, 11 mars 2012 - 04:53 .

[keginkc]

Practical real-world question: if the end is really a red herring, how will you get to the 'real' end later? You can't save for, what, 20 minutes of the game, and your auto-save will get written over when you re-appear back on the normandy prior to the mission. So where would you start if there's more later? Back just before you beam up to the Citadel, which is where I think the chapter restart sends you? If so, that's going to be frustrating, because you literally cannot skip a second of the game from that point until the credits roll. Maybe you could somehow start from your NG+ save?

[rogueagent6]

lookingglassmind wrote...

rogueagent6 wrote...

As requested:

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Indoctrination

And to quote that:

"Only people with immense mental strength are able to resist indoctrination, and even then, only for a short time. "

rougeagent6! Stick around on this thread! You've been such an excellent contributor to the theories here.

Count on it. Before this I was langushing in the "So we can't get the ending we want after all?" thread. I think I'll stay here after what I've been through after finishing my play through yesterday evening. This theory definitely makes me feel better.

[Ahms]

This is so crazy it just might work! This may be Bioware's "out" to retcon the ending with more DLC and a more polished ending giving all of the main characters proper series closure.

Shepard could be trapped aboard Harbinger. There could be some more epic dialogue between Shepard and Harbinger.

The Illusive Man's Saren-esque moment of salvation and self-sacrifice for the greater good. The utter removal of the Reaper threat through a simple win button. The safety and survival of his crew and ship. The avatar of the crucible as the child on Earth, who may easily be a hallucination as well.

It all makes sense that it could have all played out in Shepard's head.

Please, Bioware, one time!

[lookingglassmind]

humes spork wrote...

The irony is that not a week ago I was in the ending megathread in the gameplay forum talking about how my dream ending to ME3 is that Shepard has been Indoctrinated and the ending sequence turns into a surrealist mindf*ck of immense proportions with the actual battle as the backdrop.

My post's still on that thread...somewhere around page 160 or so, I think.

I'm gonna peruse. Wonder how many naysayers you had at that time.

[humes spork]

keginkc wrote...

Practical real-world question: if the end is really a red herring, how will you get to the 'real' end later? You can't save for, what, 20 minutes of the game, and your auto-save will get written over when you re-appear back on the normandy prior to the mission. So where would you start if there's more later? Back just before you beam up to the Citadel, which is where I think the chapter restart sends you? If so, that's going to be frustrating, because you literally cannot skip a second of the game from that point until the credits roll. Maybe you could somehow start from your NG+ save?

There's a "mission restart: Citadel Return" save. Kind of like how even after you beat ME2 you have a "mission restart: Collector Base" save.

[FugitiveMind]

If i recall, the last mission restart save is right before the walk towards the light

[Sajuro]

Could Vega have been scouted by Cerberus at some point after Fehl? He is a highly skilled soldier, capable of being N7, and seems disaffected with the Alliance in conviction until Anderson recruits him to watch over Shepard.

[Polat995]

Well, you can restart "The Return" mission after Reaper beam hits you...

[keginkc]

humes spork wrote...

keginkc wrote...

Practical real-world question: if the end is really a red herring, how will you get to the 'real' end later? You can't save for, what, 20 minutes of the game, and your auto-save will get written over when you re-appear back on the normandy prior to the mission. So where would you start if there's more later? Back just before you beam up to the Citadel, which is where I think the chapter restart sends you? If so, that's going to be frustrating, because you literally cannot skip a second of the game from that point until the credits roll. Maybe you could somehow start from your NG+ save?

There's a "mission restart: Citadel Return" save. Kind of like how even after you beat ME2 you have a "mission restart: Collector Base" save.

I meantioned that.  It sends you back to the ground in london just before you're beamed up to the Citadel.  That until the end is a pretty long section of game to play without any space-barring allowed. 

Modifié par keginkc, 11 mars 2012 - 04:57 .