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[kaotician]

I thought the ending was a cliffhanger - until the cut scenes at the very, very end. That is to say, I was left asking: What's happened, where exactly are we? Why have my clothes changed? etc - but not as problems with continuity or a sudden lapse in the standards of the game, but as a cliffhanger-style ending leading to dlc. I was nonplussed at first by this, then thought to myself that's a helluva way to persuade us to buy dlc, (rather like Alan Wake's ambiguous ending), only to come on to the forums to discover that THOUSANDS of people think it's the actual ending itself, and that they suddenly decided to get all muddled and less interesting gameplay-wise. So I'm probably wrong, by weight of numbers alone if nothing else.

[guyfromprague]

To answer your question.
Yes it was.
Destroy is the only way, Harbinger is just messing with your head, looking for a way out. Trying to convince you that two other scenarios, where Reapers happen to survive are acceptable.

[Auresta]

Astarotte24 wrote...

I noticed something reading last few pages and its bugging me. Bioware stated that there wont be push the button ending. And still all 3 endings are push the blue/green/red button. So if bioware many times said that they dont want end it this simple way, that means we can expect more. The teory about indoctrination in this case seems most valid.

I suspect that despite indoctrination outcome what follows will be huge mass scale battle against reapers. And the choices you made during indoctrination will matter to some extend.

Also small fact: The first ending you can get is red still to get extra scene for that ending you need highest ER score ? Anyone else find that wierd ?. Why add some extra scene to only one ending that is supposed to be worst possible ?

Yeah, this is probably one of the strongest points we're trying to make. Of course, it could be seen that by being selfish and not seeing things for the way they are, you get to live and face the consequences. IMO, it makes sense for Shepard to die as a final sacrifice.. it can go either way.

[Pugu]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I just want to bring up a theory.. what if the Crucible plans were actually created by the Reapers? Luring every species into putting all their resources into it, thinking it is a weapon, when actually it could just be a giant indoctrination device?

Entirely possible. Would of made it into a better ending, in tune with the "citadel" being a trap in the first game.
I mean the Reapers are extremely intelligent, I think they created this device to waste the galaxy's resources and give the cycle a false hope which in fact seals their fate...

[Dessalines]

Abram730 wrote...

nranola wrote...

Abram730 wrote...

What is a synthesis of organic and synthetic? A husk
What is merging with reapers? Indoctrination.

This.

With the Synthesis option, especially. A "new framework"? A "new DNA"? Err, isn't that what the Reapers have been doing all along with their harvesting and turning people into Husks?

Thanks, Space God, but no thanks.

Yes flash back to ME2 on the collecter ship

Synthesis is basically the speech Saren said.

[Erethrian]

Astarotte24 wrote...

I noticed something reading last few pages and its bugging me. Bioware stated that there wont be push the button ending. And still all 3 endings are push the blue/green/red button. So if bioware many times said that they dont want end it this simple way, that means we can expect more. The teory about indoctrination in this case seems most valid.

I suspect that despite indoctrination outcome what follows will be huge mass scale battle against reapers. And the choices you made during indoctrination will matter to some extend.

Also small fact: The first ending you can get is red still to get extra scene for that ending you need highest ER score ? Anyone else find that wierd ?. Why add some extra scene to only one ending that is supposed to be worst possible ?

That was already discussed.

Synergy: Husk
Control: Indoctrination
Destroy: Kill those f*****g reapers already!

The more strong you are ( more EMS) the more the reapers will try to indoctrinate you (So they make you choose, convincing you that the pefect thing to do is merging organics with synthetics).

EDIT: But if you kept the Collectors' Base at the end of ME2 the only choice (with low ems) is control so... Maybe in that case, Shepard thinks as TIM (thinking he can control de reapers, something that's just not possible due to its indoctrination), so he dies/becomes an indoctrinated one.

Modifié par Erethrian, 14 mars 2012 - 09:01 .

[Smiley556]

kaotician wrote...

I thought the ending was a cliffhanger - until the cut scenes at the very, very end. That is to say, I was left asking: What's happened, where exactly are we? Why have my clothes changed? etc - but not as problems with continuity or a sudden lapse in the standards of the game, but as a cliffhanger-style ending leading to dlc. I was nonplussed at first by this, then thought to myself that's a helluva way to persuade us to buy dlc, (rather like Alan Wake's ambiguous ending), only to come on to the forums to discover that THOUSANDS of people think it's the actual ending itself, and that they suddenly decided to get all muddled and less interesting gameplay-wise. So I'm probably wrong, by weight of numbers alone if nothing else.

Thats what I felt! I sat at the end wondering wait what, this isnt the end? yet credits are rolling? Bah its gonna be DLC. Then I heard the rage about the 'bad ending' I was confused, came to the forums, and I couldnt believe the rage.

[mr.surv]

Hey

I was thinking of something.
When you are on Tessia with Javik and you are exploring statues and paintings he says that Protheans give math and other things to Asari.

It should be before Reapers attack, so why Asari doesn't have anything in history about Reapers attack ( Reapers only kill the most advanced races )

[kaotician]

That Reapers could survive is clearly morally acceptable. Whether they should or not is another question. Why do I say morally acceptable? Because what the reapers actually do is gather up species otherwise doomed to extinction, and preserve both their dna (in the 'soup' they gather and their consciousnesses (in some way unfathomable) and make other reapers of them too. The reapers are the sum of all intelligent species that have existed in our galaxy, preserved in every literal way they can be, and in consequence have had their lives extended far past their natural extinction point. From a cooler intellectual perspective, a species IS its' DNA, and so that's what needs preserving. For those that oppose them, clearly the reapers think that such opposition, if allowed to survive, would render the particular species subject to exxtinction by the development of their own AI's, and this position of resistance and its consequences is simply morally unacceptable to the reapers.

[FaolonSD]

The question is:
Is it really a hallucination or is everyone just convincing themselves of that so they don't have to face reality?

You don't want Bioware to have given you the worst game ending they could have gone with, so you want to believe that there's more, that they didn't simply mess up.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Pugu wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I just want to bring up a theory.. what if the Crucible plans were actually created by the Reapers? Luring every species into putting all their resources into it, thinking it is a weapon, when actually it could just be a giant indoctrination device?

Entirely possible. Would of made it into a better ending, in tune with the "citadel" being a trap in the first game.
I mean the Reapers are extremely intelligent, I think they created this device to waste the galaxy's resources and give the cycle a false hope which in fact seals their fate...

Especially since the Crucible has to be attached to the Citadel, and we all know who built that one...

[noobcannon]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

I'm just glad I found this thread and forum in general. I don't think I could handle the end of this game without knowing a lot more people were as upset about it as I was.

This is about the strongest and most positive thread we have going.

everyone else is still QQing about the endings. lol.

"i canceled my SWTOR account. waaaaaaaahhh"

[RuffHouse789]

Using the ending of the game as real-time player-experienced indoctrination.

Imagine if you will that in 2 months, Bioware releases a free bit of DLC (which they already have ready for release and have been planning this way all along) in which all of this is revealed. The special Shepard breathing sequence that we've seen would thus be a teaser.

This would probably go down as one of the greatest game mechanic mind-f*cks of all time, right up there with that MGS controller switch thing back in the day. It would be epic, and its in line with what Bioware have been tweeting that "If people knew what was in the pipeline, the reactions would be very different".

Juuust saying.

[mr.surv]

mr.surv wrote...

Hey

I was thinking of something.
When you are on Tessia with Javik and you are exploring statues and paintings he says that Protheans give math and other things to Asari.

It should be before Reapers attack, so why Asari doesn't have anything in history about Reapers attack ( Reapers only kill the most advanced races )

And one more question.
The only source of reapers are Protheans VI, what if they are not so good as we think?

[Auresta]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

RuffHouse789 wrote...

Using the ending of the game as real-time player-experienced indoctrination.

Imagine if you will that in 2 months, Bioware releases a free bit of DLC (which they already have ready for release and have been planning this way all along) in which all of this is revealed. The special Shepard breathing sequence that we've seen would thus be a teaser.

This would probably go down as one of the greatest game mechanic mind-f*cks of all time, right up there with that MGS controller switch thing back in the day. It would be epic, and its in line with what Bioware have been tweeting that "If people knew what was in the pipeline, the reactions would be very different".

Juuust saying.

Yeah, that would be a great moment.

I'd love for it to be the same cutscene, except the camera pans over Shepard and his eyes snap wide open right when he takes a breath, he sits up...and we're off.

Would be great  

[J4N3_M3]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

I don't know if this here was posted before.

bump for thoughts

[Earthborn_Shepard]

I'm beginning to think the twitter person has never actually played ME3:

Chester Thompson ‏ @Skye_Flyer1
@masseffect I think I got the best possible ending, but it didn't save. It took me back to cerberus base. Is that a bug?

Mass Effect Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@skye_flyer1 We can submit this for evaluation. Thanks for letting us know.

that or they don't really read the tweets they get.

[wookieboy15]

RuffHouse789 wrote...

Using the ending of the game as real-time player-experienced indoctrination.

Imagine if you will that in 2 months, Bioware releases a free bit of DLC (which they already have ready for release and have been planning this way all along) in which all of this is revealed. The special Shepard breathing sequence that we've seen would thus be a teaser.

This would probably go down as one of the greatest game mechanic mind-f*cks of all time, right up there with that MGS controller switch thing back in the day. It would be epic, and its in line with what Bioware have been tweeting that "If people knew what was in the pipeline, the reactions would be very different".

Juuust saying.

Agreed, it would literally go down as one of the most compelling game stories ever written.

[katieeighty]

So basically they wrote a crappy ending that was against what was already written to make the game memorable, or to come up with a direction for DLC ideas?
Since I know what to expect now from Bioware's game, there is no real reason to buy them. We are going to give a really good beginning, and the middle part is going to be amazing, and don't forget the hear breaking moments towards the end. That is going to be great too. Oh, the end? Well, that  is going to be  crappy, but you are going to remember it.
It is not about the crappy ending, it is about the amazing journey.

In my experience, in a series where the ending is disappointing, it's usually disappointing starting from well before the final stretch (at least I knew the Matrix Revolutions was going to be a disaster pretty quickly). All the rest of ME3 was beyond amazing, including the end. The end is only bad because it shouldn't be an ending, it should be an event that leads directly into the ending (and a pretty intriguing and awesome event, imo, if the indoctrination theory is true).

So I'm weirdly inclined to think that there's more. Maybe I'm naive and stupid and they really did just have a last-minute lapse in judgement, but everything just feels off, but it feels like it's off on purpose.

Modifié par katieeighty, 14 mars 2012 - 09:16 .

[Auresta]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm beginning to think the twitter person has never actually played ME3:

Chester Thompson ‏ @Skye_Flyer1
@masseffect I think I got the best possible ending, but it didn't save. It took me back to cerberus base. Is that a bug?

Mass Effect Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@skye_flyer1 We can submit this for evaluation. Thanks for letting us know.

that or they don't really read the tweets they get.

Humans get sleepy ;(

[Ravax]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm beginning to think the twitter person has never actually played ME3:

Chester Thompson ‏ @Skye_Flyer1
@masseffect I think I got the best possible ending, but it didn't save. It took me back to cerberus base. Is that a bug?

Mass Effect Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@skye_flyer1 We can submit this for evaluation. Thanks for letting us know.

that or they don't really read the tweets they get.

Please....stop.....the...madness....

I was enraged when i beat the game, then calmed down and lurked in the forums, pitching in when i can for the indoctrination theory, and the polls, etc...

And these tweets are just shoulder shruggs they give... its so meaningless.... They can only say 'thank you! we appreciate the feedback! or 'We'll pass this to the devs for evaluation, thanks!'


Dont think of them as viable sources of info... they are just robots meant to vaguely show a presence on twitter...

[Auresta]

Ravax wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm beginning to think the twitter person has never actually played ME3:

Chester Thompson ‏ @Skye_Flyer1
@masseffect I think I got the best possible ending, but it didn't save. It took me back to cerberus base. Is that a bug?

Mass Effect Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@skye_flyer1 We can submit this for evaluation. Thanks for letting us know.

that or they don't really read the tweets they get.

Please....stop.....the...madness....

I was enraged when i beat the game, then calmed down and lurked in the forums, pitching in when i can for the indoctrination theory, and the polls, etc...

And these tweets are just shoulder shruggs they give... its so meaningless.... They can only say 'thank you! we appreciate the feedback! or 'We'll pass this to the devs for evaluation, thanks!'


Dont think of them as viable sources of info... they are just robots meant to vaguely show a presence on twitter...

Please. It's their job. They can't divulge too much but they are willing to reply and take the time to respond to torrents of complains and tweets. 

I'd give them more credit and wait until April or March 15th. The game isn't even out everywhere yet.

Modifié par Auresta, 14 mars 2012 - 09:25 .

[Eyjh]

http://imgur.com/xjXdX

seems legit...