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[JediNg]

RuffHouse789 wrote...

I just think all the evidence seems to indicate the game ending is gonna change with DLC and that the fact that they're changing it after the fact could be a deliberate game mechanic (I hope)

They better do it soon.  The longer they take, the more it will look like they are reacting to outrage and 'fixing' it instead of it being the plan all along .

[ChrisSheppy]

Damn, I just realised that going through this thread nearly doubled my Mass Effect 3 gameplay time
Anyway, I don't know if Indoctrination Theory is really a theory based or evidence, or just evidence matched to the theory... but still, I want to believe it.

By the way, if I didn't know Reapers any better, I would say that Harbringer holds a personal grudge against Shepard. He could just kill him at any moment, but like any good villain, he wants to beat him first and crush his spirit. That would support the Theory I guess

[katieeighty]

Cloud Varis wrote...

MDT1 wrote...

The more I think about it, the more I'm afraid that Biowares explanation for Shepard beeing alive on Earth will be: "Well, the fancy Space Magic Explosion trow him straight into the beam back to London!"

The more I think about it, the less I fear this to be true.
Along with all of the other things in this thread, notice that Shep is no longer in full armor when s/he gets "ported" up to the citadel. Also note that in the ending where Shep lives, s/he IS in full armor when s/he wakes up, and that s/he isn't in a very convenient spot for "magic teleportation" - rather, s/he is amidst a bunch of rubble, and not exactly on top of it.

Also, this thread has blown my mind, and I was moderately happy with my ending.

So the tl;dr of this thread is basically Shepard got knocked out before hitting the beam, entered some dreamspace/hallucination where s/he defeated the Reapers' and their attempted indoctrination within his/her head by choosing destroy. This, combined with the high readiness/military strength ratings, leaves it open for Shepard to actually defeat the Reapers in the real world after waking up in the rubble.

Right?

[Hurricane Brad]

katieeighty wrote...

Cloud Varis wrote...

MDT1 wrote...

The more I think about it, the more I'm afraid that Biowares explanation for Shepard beeing alive on Earth will be: "Well, the fancy Space Magic Explosion trow him straight into the beam back to London!"

The more I think about it, the less I fear this to be true.
Along with all of the other things in this thread, notice that Shep is no longer in full armor when s/he gets "ported" up to the citadel. Also note that in the ending where Shep lives, s/he IS in full armor when s/he wakes up, and that s/he isn't in a very convenient spot for "magic teleportation" - rather, s/he is amidst a bunch of rubble, and not exactly on top of it.

Also, this thread has blown my mind, and I was moderately happy with my ending.

So the tl;dr of this thread is basically Shepard got knocked out before hitting the beam, entered some dreamspace/hallucination where s/he defeated the Reapers' and their attempted indoctrination within his/her head by choosing destroy. This, combined with the high readiness/military strength ratings, leaves it open for Shepard to actually defeat the Reapers in the real world after waking up in the rubble.

Right?

That's the gist of it, yeah.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

If this theory isn't what BioWare had in mind, then I think it's a little sad their fans can come up with a much better idea within a few days.

[Novouto]

katieeighty wrote...

Cloud Varis wrote...

MDT1 wrote...

The more I think about it, the more I'm afraid that Biowares explanation for Shepard beeing alive on Earth will be: "Well, the fancy Space Magic Explosion trow him straight into the beam back to London!"

The more I think about it, the less I fear this to be true.
Along with all of the other things in this thread, notice that Shep is no longer in full armor when s/he gets "ported" up to the citadel. Also note that in the ending where Shep lives, s/he IS in full armor when s/he wakes up, and that s/he isn't in a very convenient spot for "magic teleportation" - rather, s/he is amidst a bunch of rubble, and not exactly on top of it.

Also, this thread has blown my mind, and I was moderately happy with my ending.

So the tl;dr of this thread is basically Shepard got knocked out before hitting the beam, entered some dreamspace/hallucination where s/he defeated the Reapers' and their attempted indoctrination within his/her head by choosing destroy. This, combined with the high readiness/military strength ratings, leaves it open for Shepard to actually defeat the Reapers in the real world after waking up in the rubble.

Right?

Correct.

[JulienJaden]

MDT1 wrote...

RuffHouse789 wrote...

and this seems to fit

http://db.tt/fisTdkrK

Still could be just an "Awesome" Omega dlc or something...
They could believe that by making the game better, people would forget the ending.
The problem is, tha game is already brilliant.

God I hope I'm so wrong...

I don't think they do. At this point, if any devs are following this thread, they know that, after playing coy for so long and hinting like that, they are at risk of further alienating their fans, if they now start announcing 'awesome' DLC that has nothing to do with the ending whatsoever. Everything they actually said pointed towards something big coming and us not knowing everything, so our reactions would be much different if we knew what was in store. I don't think Bioware, of all companies, could be so blind that they'd think the announcement of Mass Effect 4 to clear it all up or a DLC to be released in a couple of months would appease us. They know their fans, or so I hope.

[RiGoRmOrTiS_UK]

I honestly don't think indoctrination happens as soon as people say (shot by harbinger beam). I think it happens when shepard passes out after the TIM encounter.

If not, then I want someone to show Casey the A,B,C quote from the interview two months ago where he said you wouldn't be able to catagorise the ending like that and to explain how destroy, merge and control doesn't fit into that description.

[MDT1]

Eyjh wrote...

If this really was the plan, Bioware employees must be laughing their arses off right now... I imagine it must be quite fun to watch the rage. At the same time, the reaction it generated is probably completely unexpected, but hey, at least something good came out of all of this (Child Play).

I don't think so.

I guess they would have thought the brilliant over all game would have made the reactions less dramatic.

[RuffHouse789]

Another note on indoctrination theory.

Something no one seems to mention is the black smoke. Black smoke is used throughout the game as a sign of indoctrination. It is barely present in the first dream, but the subsequent dreams with the kid have more and more black smoke, indicating shepard becoming more and more indoctrinated.

[LeRavelle]

Not sure if this was posted already or if it's anything to go on but when you have the last conversation with TiM you try to convince him to stop he says " I can't do that commander" while it looks like he makes an attempt to resist one last time.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I never heard him call me commander, it was always Shepherd this and Shepherd that.

Also one theory I had was that every conversation you had while in the dream/indoctrination was really people talking in real life, having conversations next to youwhile you were out cold.

.

[Icinix]

April eh....aren't they doing the panel in April....thought that was odd they'd announce that before the release...


This could be a nifty little way of making people regret trading in their games too....

[Sierra163]

danvla wrote...

Eyjh wrote...

http://imgur.com/xjXdX

seems legit...

Not legit. Asari justicar is a name of skill of asari adept and someone else

Same with the 'krogan battlemaster'. Justicar and Battlemaster aren't classes in MP. Calling BS on this 'leak'.

[Martukis]

It was quite some time ago, but I've pinpointed the trigger for James' "Do you hear that hum?" line. It is if you talk to him after the N7 mission on Tuchanka (Cerberus and the planetary defense gun). He'll say it again and again, and you can hear a hum (or I can). Didn't pay attention to see if I hear it earlier.

 Also, if you ask Hackett "Why me?" he explains that Shepherd has a tendancy of building loyalty in his followers that seems exceptional - imagine meeting someone, and within a month or so, convincing them to face what is likely their death with you (ME2). I don't know, just seems odd with all this talk of indoctrination and Shephard emitting some sort of exceptional leadership effect.

Modifié par Martukis, 14 mars 2012 - 10:02 .

[MDT1]

JulienJaden wrote...

MDT1 wrote...

RuffHouse789 wrote...

and this seems to fit

http://db.tt/fisTdkrK

Still could be just an "Awesome" Omega dlc or something...
They could believe that by making the game better, people would forget the ending.
The problem is, tha game is already brilliant.

God I hope I'm so wrong...

I don't think they do. At this point, if any devs are following this thread, they know that, after playing coy for so long and hinting like that, they are at risk of further alienating their fans, if they now start announcing 'awesome' DLC that has nothing to do with the ending whatsoever. Everything they actually said pointed towards something big coming and us not knowing everything, so our reactions would be much different if we knew what was in store. I don't think Bioware, of all companies, could be so blind that they'd think the announcement of Mass Effect 4 to clear it all up or a DLC to be released in a couple of months would appease us. They know their fans, or so I hope.

Like they new their fans after DAII and came to the brilliant conclusion that the fans just are stuck in the past?

I think I just coudn't take the disappointment if the endings are the and after hoping there will be more, thats why I ... MUST ... KEEP ... SCEPTICSISM!!!

[JediNg]

Icinix wrote...

April eh....aren't they doing the panel in April....thought that was odd they'd announce that before the release...


This could be a nifty little way of making people regret trading in their games too....

Which would only make those people dislike BioWare more.

[Smiley556]

ChrisSheppy wrote...

Damn, I just realised that going through this thread nearly doubled my Mass Effect 3 gameplay time
Anyway, I don't know if Indoctrination Theory is really a theory based or evidence, or just evidence matched to the theory... but still, I want to believe it.

By the way, if I didn't know Reapers any better, I would say that Harbringer holds a personal grudge against Shepard. He could just kill him at any moment, but like any good villain, he wants to beat him first and crush his spirit. That would support the Theory I guess

For many its not even a theory. It looks like like people have slowly puzzled it out but there are Allot of players, including me, for who this is exactly how they experienced the 'ending'. The only thing I was bummed about after playing, before hearing all the ending sucks rage, was the fact the game ended in a cliffhanger. All this thread has done is point out more evidence that I overlooked supporting this explenation.

[coruptai125]

JulienJaden wrote...

MDT1 wrote...

RuffHouse789 wrote...

and this seems to fit

http://db.tt/fisTdkrK

Still could be just an "Awesome" Omega dlc or something...
They could believe that by making the game better, people would forget the ending.
The problem is, tha game is already brilliant.

God I hope I'm so wrong...

I don't think they do. At this point, if any devs are following this thread, they know that, after playing coy for so long and hinting like that, they are at risk of further alienating their fans, if they now start announcing 'awesome' DLC that has nothing to do with the ending whatsoever. Everything they actually said pointed towards something big coming and us not knowing everything, so our reactions would be much different if we knew what was in store. I don't think Bioware, of all companies, could be so blind that they'd think the announcement of Mass Effect 4 to clear it all up or a DLC to be released in a couple of months would appease us. They know their fans, or so I hope.

If it really is Omega DLC then I would be incredibly pissed off. Seriously any DLC that would take place before the ending are 100% worthless if the current ending stays. Why bother helping Aria take back Omega when she's just going to die of starvation a few weeks down the line when Omega runs out of food and they have nowhere to go and no natural resources to use.

[Goikiu]

Icinix wrote...

April eh....aren't they doing the panel in April....thought that was odd they'd announce that before the release...


This could be a nifty little way of making people regret trading in their games too....

Maybe they want you (and us) to thrust them a little more 

[Ravax]

Just ran across this (copy pasted from reddit):

Reasons why the ending is definitely a dream (indoctrination), and the real ending has yet to be released as DLC:

No resolution of player choices throughout the game, this is the basis for the mass effect 3 story.

No 'final boss' battle.

No real difference in endings.

The final mission and ending sequence is too short to wrap up a massive trilogy.

Obvious plot holes in the current dream ending, because its a dream!

This is not the style of a Bioware ending, there is no way this got positive focus group feedback.

If they DID end the game fully, that leaves them in a poor position to follow it on with any relevant DLC that people would HAVE to buy.

Now EA are going to want to milk ME3 DLC to the maximum, and what better way to ensure that then not including the full ending to the series and releasing is as a fully fleshed out DLC.

The alternative but equally terrible possibility is EA forced Bioware to a release deadline which meant they had to rush in this dream sequence and then get to work on the real ending to be released as DLC.

There are many theories out there that the dream sequence was a rush job citing poor visuals of the citadel, not least because the only visual difference between the current 3 'choices' is the Color of the effect being changing from Red - Green - Blue.

I just don't know how they are going to reveal this DLC without the gaming community going supernova,.

[noobcannon]

JulienJaden wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

Eyjh wrote...

http://imgur.com/xjXdX

seems legit...

may? wtf?! no way they'd wait that long. they'll get burned at PAX.

Right. There'd be 'some' protest there. And Bioware would risk seriously pissing off part of its fanbase, no matter what they have planned, if they keep quiet like this for much longer. They have to react in the next few days, unless they want to risk serious consequences. They've already alienated a good bunch of people and it can only get worse from here on out. They better clear this up soon.

Also, I'm not sure that sounds legit. Wishful thinking says yes, but it sounds just that little bit exaggerated, so I think it's just trolling.

actually they might announce it before or at pax and then release it in may. god that would suck.

[Icinix]

JediNg wrote...

Icinix wrote...

April eh....aren't they doing the panel in April....thought that was odd they'd announce that before the release...


This could be a nifty little way of making people regret trading in their games too....

Which would only make those people dislike BioWare more.

I think they're past that - or very much happy to gamble with customers happiness - it could also be why we have an Origin requirement for ME3.

The console version has 6gb larger (I've heard)..so console players may not need to download it....

Either way - if there is another ending on the way - its the biggest / boldest thing any game company has ever done.

[Topsider]

This theory is absolutely ridiculous. I can't believe that people think it's acceptable to ship a game with fake endings, and then release the "real" end via DLC. That would set a very bad precedent... and destroy Bioware's credibility. The game you paid for is incomplete so cough up more cash to finish it, unless you expect it free of charge. Unlkely to say the least. The concept of paying for real endings actually sickens me. 
The only hallucinations happening here are the theorist's own. Denial. Plain and simple.

[Eyjh]

 

Ravax wrote...

Just ran across this (copy pasted from reddit):

Reasons why the ending is definitely a dream (indoctrination), and the real ending has yet to be released as DLC:

No resolution of player choices throughout the game, this is the basis for the mass effect 3 story.

No 'final boss' battle.

No real difference in endings.

The final mission and ending sequence is too short to wrap up a massive trilogy.

Obvious plot holes in the current dream ending, because its a dream!

This is not the style of a Bioware ending, there is no way this got positive focus group feedback.

If they DID end the game fully, that leaves them in a poor position to follow it on with any relevant DLC that people would HAVE to buy.

Now EA are going to want to milk ME3 DLC to the maximum, and what better way to ensure that then not including the full ending to the series and releasing is as a fully fleshed out DLC.

The alternative but equally terrible possibility is EA forced Bioware to a release deadline which meant they had to rush in this dream sequence and then get to work on the real ending to be released as DLC.

There are many theories out there that the dream sequence was a rush job citing poor visuals of the citadel, not least because the only visual difference between the current 3 'choices' is the Color of the effect being changing from Red - Green - Blue.

I just don't know how they are going to reveal this DLC without the gaming community going supernova,.

 

I guess only a supernova will wipe out the fleet.

Modifié par Eyjh, 14 mars 2012 - 10:06 .

[Doug M]

Eyjh wrote...

If this really was the plan, Bioware employees must be laughing their arses off right now... I imagine it must be quite fun to watch the rage. At the same time, the reaction it generated is probably completely unexpected, but hey, at least something good came out of all of this (Child Play).

They're either laughing their asses off, or saying to each other, "Holy ****, this just might work.  We're going to pull off the biggest player interaction heist of all time."

Imagine how big the collective "WHA?!?!" will be if/when Bioware does their big reveal.  That's a pretty tempting prize for a game company who's been at the forefront of player interactivity in games for years.  It'd pretty much solidify their status as masters of their craft forever, and serve as a "You want player interactivity?  Beat this!" challenge to
other game developers.