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[Ashii6]

Ravax wrote...

ok guys.. its done... sorry to burst the big bubble we have all been holding our hands together in....

http://www.eurogamer...3-ending-furore

Omg. I don't think BioWare see a difference between good, mysterious ending and between crappy ending with tons of plot holes.. Seriously.

[Karait]

Yeah, if anything else Hudson gives pretty much a green light with "what they meant and what happens next" parts. However, I think that if Indoctrination Theory or something in its mould is true, BioWare needs to quickly reconsider their strategy because of all the people returning their copies or even deleting their progress. Those people are going to be seriously angry if it turns out BioWare pulled a troll on them.

[noobcannon]

Topsider wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

Topsider wrote...

This theory is absolutely ridiculous. I can't believe that people think it's acceptable to ship a game with fake endings, and then release the "real" end via DLC. That would set a very bad precedent... and destroy Bioware's credibility. The game you paid for is incomplete so cough up more cash to finish it, unless you expect it free of charge. Unlkely to say the least. The concept of paying for real endings actually sickens me. 
The only hallucinations happening here are the theorist's own. Denial. Plain and simple.

But you think shipping a game with a horrible written ending full of plotholes that makes no sense is perfectly acceptable and would not affect Bioware's credibility? Your statement does absolutely Nothing to discredit this theory, it only states your unhappy about it. Its not untrue just cos you dont like it.

I'm discrediting the concept of releasing a game with fake endings and using DLC to fix that mess. If you have to pay for it that's even worse. We paid for a complete game, right? Oh, but you need to buy DLC later or it doesn't make sense? That would be outright lying and misrepresenting your product.

and if we don't have to pay for it? also calling the endings fake isn't fair. if they follow the indoctrination theory, the current endings are crucial.

[noobcannon]

Karait wrote...

Yeah, if anything else Hudson gives pretty much a green light with "what they meant and what happens next" parts. However, I think that if Indoctrination Theory or something in its mould is true, BioWare needs to quickly reconsider their strategy because of all the people returning their copies or even deleting their progress. Those people are going to be seriously angry if it turns out BioWare pulled a troll on them.

i bet that's why gamble released that tweet  "hold onto your copies forever"

Modifié par noobcannon, 14 mars 2012 - 10:18 .

[Elscotto1989]

that interview makes it sound like they didnt know how to handle/write an ending and wanted to put a place holder in place until they made us think and produce a better ending that they could just pull from the forums and be like "look what an amazing ending we had for you thanks to big brother E.A and all of there crushingly tight deadlines that ruin great games!" it really makes me lose more hope in bioware and there competence to pull off such a task.i couldve done without me3 for a nother year if it wouldve been an actual full product of what it was to be...

[Smiley556]

Topsider wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

Topsider wrote...

This theory is absolutely ridiculous. I can't believe that people think it's acceptable to ship a game with fake endings, and then release the "real" end via DLC. That would set a very bad precedent... and destroy Bioware's credibility. The game you paid for is incomplete so cough up more cash to finish it, unless you expect it free of charge. Unlkely to say the least. The concept of paying for real endings actually sickens me. 
The only hallucinations happening here are the theorist's own. Denial. Plain and simple.

But you think shipping a game with a horrible written ending full of plotholes that makes no sense is perfectly acceptable and would not affect Bioware's credibility? Your statement does absolutely Nothing to discredit this theory, it only states your unhappy about it. Its not untrue just cos you dont like it.

I'm discrediting the concept of releasing a game with fake endings and using DLC to fix that mess. If you have to pay for it that's even worse. We paid for a complete game, right? Oh, but you need to buy DLC later or it doesn't make sense? That would be outright lying and misrepresenting your product.

Yet the way they explained the endings in pre release interview according to your theory is also outright lying and misrepresenting your product. I understand this predicament isnt to your liking but again, you state nothing to discredit the indoctrination/hallucination explenation of the ending except stating your displeasure.

[coruptai125]

Topsider wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

Topsider wrote...

This theory is absolutely ridiculous. I can't believe that people think it's acceptable to ship a game with fake endings, and then release the "real" end via DLC. That would set a very bad precedent... and destroy Bioware's credibility. The game you paid for is incomplete so cough up more cash to finish it, unless you expect it free of charge. Unlkely to say the least. The concept of paying for real endings actually sickens me. 
The only hallucinations happening here are the theorist's own. Denial. Plain and simple.

But you think shipping a game with a horrible written ending full of plotholes that makes no sense is perfectly acceptable and would not affect Bioware's credibility? Your statement does absolutely Nothing to discredit this theory, it only states your unhappy about it. Its not untrue just cos you dont like it.

I'm discrediting the concept of releasing a game with fake endings and using DLC to fix that mess. If you have to pay for it that's even worse. We paid for a complete game, right? Oh, but you need to buy DLC later or it doesn't make sense? That would be outright lying and misrepresenting your product.

If this ending is the real ending, then they have lied many times during the lead up to release. They specifically said that the ending would be extremely varied and not a "ABC" choice, which is exactly what it is right now.






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Modifié par coruptai125, 14 mars 2012 - 10:27 .

[Ravax]

noobcannon wrote...

Karait wrote...

Yeah, if anything else Hudson gives pretty much a green light with "what they meant and what happens next" parts. However, I think that if Indoctrination Theory or something in its mould is true, BioWare needs to quickly reconsider their strategy because of all the people returning their copies or even deleting their progress. Those people are going to be seriously angry if it turns out BioWare pulled a troll on them.

i bet that's why gamble released that tweet  "hold onto your copies forever"

Yeah but all this sounds like complete financial suicide... Only a 5 year old would think of a prank like this without considering the repercussions...

I'll bet that by the time they 'respons' formally, and release said free DLC (Dear God Please Let it Be True) 30-40% of the people that played game, dont go on the forums, on twitter, to check about the 'indoctrination theory' or the 'real ending DLC'.. and they will have lost those customers forever...

[Elscotto1989]

i forget the exact quote from hudson but i remember an interview with him saying that you would get the defining and "input random bs adjective here" ending depending on the crucial choices you make in the game....thats paraphrased of course but i still see none of that...i see red,green, blue nukes killing every form of life in the galaxy according to arrival except for joker and my teleporting love interest...

[Elscotto1989]

Ravax wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

Karait wrote...

Yeah, if anything else Hudson gives pretty much a green light with "what they meant and what happens next" parts. However, I think that if Indoctrination Theory or something in its mould is true, BioWare needs to quickly reconsider their strategy because of all the people returning their copies or even deleting their progress. Those people are going to be seriously angry if it turns out BioWare pulled a troll on them.

i bet that's why gamble released that tweet  "hold onto your copies forever"

Yeah but all this sounds like complete financial suicide... Only a 5 year old would think of a prank like this without considering the repercussions...

I'll bet that by the time they 'respons' formally, and release said free DLC (Dear God Please Let it Be True) 30-40% of the people that played game, dont go on the forums, on twitter, to check about the 'indoctrination theory' or the 'real ending DLC'.. and they will have lost those customers forever...

all i know is that if they dont change the ending the only thing that will make me play a bioware game again would be a mass effect mmo because then i could roleplay out my story and they couldnt f up the ending of MY story...

[noobcannon]

Ravax wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

Karait wrote...

Yeah, if anything else Hudson gives pretty much a green light with "what they meant and what happens next" parts. However, I think that if Indoctrination Theory or something in its mould is true, BioWare needs to quickly reconsider their strategy because of all the people returning their copies or even deleting their progress. Those people are going to be seriously angry if it turns out BioWare pulled a troll on them.

i bet that's why gamble released that tweet  "hold onto your copies forever"

Yeah but all this sounds like complete financial suicide... Only a 5 year old would think of a prank like this without considering the repercussions...

I'll bet that by the time they 'respons' formally, and release said free DLC (Dear God Please Let it Be True) 30-40% of the people that played game, dont go on the forums, on twitter, to check about the 'indoctrination theory' or the 'real ending DLC'.. and they will have lost those customers forever...

you do make a good point. not everyone who bought me3 is a hardcore fan like us. they dont go to the forums or twitter. by the time they find out, might be too late. all the more reason i think they'll say something official pretty soon.

[Gamingtrek12025]

Someone asked about the interview for not having an ABC ending?

http://www.oxm.co.uk...-sophisticated/

"This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we're taking into account so many decisions that you've made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It's not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.

It's more like there are some really obvious things that are different and then lots and lots of smaller things, lots of things about who lives and who dies, civilizations that rose and fell, all the way down to individual characters. That becomes the state of where you left your galaxy. The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them."

Modifié par Gamingtrek12025, 14 mars 2012 - 10:26 .

[Earthborn_Shepard]

I remember that some time ago, when we didn't really know anything about ME3 yet, BioWare said in a magazine preview that we would find out the Reaper's weakness and also that we would be lured into thinking something wrong a few times... either they scrapped that or well.. it could be an indication

[Elscotto1989]

Gamingtrek12025 wrote...

Someone asked about the interview for not having an ABC ending?

http://www.oxm.co.uk...-sophisticated/

"This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we're taking into account so many decisions that you've made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It's not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.

It's more like there are some really obvious things that are different and then lots and lots of smaller things, lots of things about who lives and who dies, civilizations that rose and fell, all the way down to individual characters. That becomes the state of where you left your galaxy. The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them."

all the sophistication of a krogan at a tea party...

[Dessalines]

For the record, there are a lot of things that I disagree with that people complained about from Bioware games. I have like all of the characters in the game, and they help round out the game. If Shepard only work and talk with people he like, then it would be a very boring game. I don't care about DLCs being released on the same day the game came out. I don't think at my local bar that only well drinks should be three dollars before 10, but it is how the bar makes its money. These are artistic and nusiness choices.
I do not have to like or dislike them, but I see the business and artistic nature behind those various choices.
I do not see the artistic choice behind the ending. It has a lot of plot holes, disregards what was written before, and does even give you a good cliffhanger. Shep is alive but how. Why should you get a clifffhanger when this is his end story? (For the record, I actually like Dragon Age 2 ending)I
I do not see the business reason. If you do not have a reason to replay the game, then you do not have a reason to do Multiplayer. There are a bunch other multiplayer games out there, and people want to have a co-op experience than I am sure they will just play Star Wars. I mean we know you are not launching a MMO to compete with your own product, so that does not make any sense. How do you expect to make any money of future Mass Effect products. A prequel? The only prequels in any media that have made any money have been released a generation or more latter. A sequel? It would have to be so far in the future, so no one would ask what would happen to Liari or any children she had. You would think even if she wasn't a love interest, she would talk about fighting with the Great Shephard. A DLC?

[coruptai125]

"This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we're taking into account so many decisions that you've made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It's not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.

"It's more like there are some really obvious things that are different and then lots and lots of smaller things, lots of things about who lives and who dies, civilizations that rose and fell, all the way down to individual characters. That becomes the state of where you left your galaxy. The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them."

I can't believe this is a direct quote from Casey Hudson. It literally contradicts everything about the current ending.

[Smiley556]

Ravax wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

Karait wrote...

Yeah, if anything else Hudson gives pretty much a green light with "what they meant and what happens next" parts. However, I think that if Indoctrination Theory or something in its mould is true, BioWare needs to quickly reconsider their strategy because of all the people returning their copies or even deleting their progress. Those people are going to be seriously angry if it turns out BioWare pulled a troll on them.

i bet that's why gamble released that tweet  "hold onto your copies forever"

Yeah but all this sounds like complete financial suicide... Only a 5 year old would think of a prank like this without considering the repercussions...

I'll bet that by the time they 'respons' formally, and release said free DLC (Dear God Please Let it Be True) 30-40% of the people that played game, dont go on the forums, on twitter, to check about the 'indoctrination theory' or the 'real ending DLC'.. and they will have lost those customers forever...

Only a 5 year old come up with an ending of god kids and space magic and with this many plotholes. We never denied its a risky move that could well backfire, but its still Allot more realistic than thinking bioware screwed up the writing This bad.

[Dessalines]

Elscotto1989 wrote...

Gamingtrek12025 wrote...

Someone asked about the interview for not having an ABC ending?

http://www.oxm.co.uk...-sophisticated/

"This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we're taking into account so many decisions that you've made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It's not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.

It's more like there are some really obvious things that are different and then lots and lots of smaller things, lots of things about who lives and who dies, civilizations that rose and fell, all the way down to individual characters. That becomes the state of where you left your galaxy. The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them."

all the sophistication of a krogan at a tea party...

Is it possible that we miss something when we played through it. Lol, like there really is a secret ending like the guide said. It is not that Shep lives, because that is mention in the guide. Someone stated that they got the stargazer inro without importing Shep, but I would never call that a secret ending.

[Goikiu]

Icinix wrote...

JediNg wrote...

Icinix wrote...

JediNg wrote...

Icinix wrote...

April eh....aren't they doing the panel in April....thought that was odd they'd announce that before the release...


This could be a nifty little way of making people regret trading in their games too....

Which would only make those people dislike BioWare more.

I think they're past that - or very much happy to gamble with customers happiness - it could also be why we have an Origin requirement for ME3.

The console version has 6gb larger (I've heard)..so console players may not need to download it....

Either way - if there is another ending on the way - its the biggest / boldest thing any game company has ever done.

Well you're certainly free to believe that upsetting an already upset, previously loyal  fan base will make 'em fans again.

Don't believe I gave any indication of my thoughts on how players might feel one way or the other.

I'm an Xbox user, so i'll explain some of the "6GB" more large.
1) Probably some other language are in that
2) When you use / install a game on your hdd (if you've got one)  you copy the entire DVD so the game basycs like graphics or the Engine will be in either DVD because if you don't have an HD on your xbox you need to load data from the disc.

[Elscotto1989]

Smiley556 wrote...

Ravax wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

Karait wrote...

Yeah, if anything else Hudson gives pretty much a green light with "what they meant and what happens next" parts. However, I think that if Indoctrination Theory or something in its mould is true, BioWare needs to quickly reconsider their strategy because of all the people returning their copies or even deleting their progress. Those people are going to be seriously angry if it turns out BioWare pulled a troll on them.

i bet that's why gamble released that tweet  "hold onto your copies forever"

Yeah but all this sounds like complete financial suicide... Only a 5 year old would think of a prank like this without considering the repercussions...

I'll bet that by the time they 'respons' formally, and release said free DLC (Dear God Please Let it Be True) 30-40% of the people that played game, dont go on the forums, on twitter, to check about the 'indoctrination theory' or the 'real ending DLC'.. and they will have lost those customers forever...

Only a 5 year old come up with an ending of god kids and space magic and with this many plotholes. We never denied its a risky move that could well backfire, but its still Allot more realistic than thinking bioware screwed up the writing This bad.

i hate to use the old quote about monkeys locked in a room writing shakespeare but i think that bioware shouldnt have gotten curious about testing that theory at the end of mass effect 3....lol

[Icinix]

Goikiu wrote...
I'm an Xbox user, so i'll explain some of the "6GB" more large.
1) Probably some other language are in that
2) When you use / install a game on your hdd (if you've got one)  you copy the entire DVD so the game basycs like graphics or the Engine will be in either DVD because if you don't have an HD on your xbox you need to load data from the disc.

Still doesn't explain it. From what I read even disc purcahses on PC are still 6gb smaller (they install everything of both DVD's).

Actually - do you know how much space your install is? I'll check mine.

[anlk92]

After thinking about this theory for a while, it is one of the only two possible explanations I have for the endings. I mean synthesis is basically doing what Reapers were trying to accomplish for three games: forcefully turning everyone into half synthetic half organic beings. It is agreeing to Saren's ideas, to Reapers' idea of this state being the pinnacle of evolution. It is similar to saying "Well we'll just turn everyone into aryans so that Hitler won't be angry at us." Not to forget that the whole idea of synthesis cannot be explained in any other way than space magic.

And control is basically falling into the same mistake Illusive Man fell for: thinking that one can control the Reapers. It is an idea Shepard completely opposes to up until that point, only to accept it as a viable option because why, the Reaper boss told him so? Also just like synthesis, Shepard dying but remaining in control of the Reapers is ridiculous.

Whereas destory is the one option the Reaper kid seems to oppose to most strongly. It is made to look like this option is the worst one you can pick despite that it is the only ending where you truly defeated the Reapers, truly made sure that they won't be a threat anymore. The one where Shepard sticked to his/her ideals until the end instead of turning away from them just because the Reapers told him to do so. The other two endings look very much like indoctrination as others stated.

Oh and the other possible explanation I mentioned was the writers getting actually indoctrinated while writing the ending. So I think I'm going to go with the first one.

Modifié par anlk92, 14 mars 2012 - 10:39 .

[Gamingtrek12025]

Icinix wrote...

Goikiu wrote...
I'm an Xbox user, so i'll explain some of the "6GB" more large.
1) Probably some other language are in that
2) When you use / install a game on your hdd (if you've got one)  you copy the entire DVD so the game basycs like graphics or the Engine will be in either DVD because if you don't have an HD on your xbox you need to load data from the disc.

Still doesn't explain it. From what I read even disc purcahses on PC are still 6gb smaller (they install everything of both DVD's).

Actually - do you know how much space your install is? I'll check mine.

Well this way they could just release a patch for the 360 unlocking it and not have to go through microsoft and their fee's for DLC and since the PC version is running Origin(no matter where you buy it) they could just have you download it free of charge to them. This also removes the ability to data mine the files on PC.

[Dessalines]

Dessalines wrote...

Elscotto1989 wrote...

Gamingtrek12025 wrote...

Someone asked about the interview for not having an ABC ending?

http://www.oxm.co.uk...-sophisticated/

"This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we're taking into account so many decisions that you've made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It's not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.

It's more like there are some really obvious things that are different and then lots and lots of smaller things, lots of things about who lives and who dies, civilizations that rose and fell, all the way down to individual characters. That becomes the state of where you left your galaxy. The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them."

all the sophistication of a krogan at a tea party...

Is it possible that we miss something when we played through it. Lol, like there really is a secret ending like the guide said. It is not that Shep lives, because that is mention in the guide. Someone stated that they got the stargazer inro without importing Shep, but I would never call that a secret ending  Lol, I mean after the second playthrough, instead of getting the Crucible has been destroyed message when you let time run out, you get you have beating  indoc message, and the only cutscene ending  is you gasping for air in the rubble,  then the credits. .I mean could we have missed something else that triggers that "Shepard breathing" scene

[Topsider]

Smiley556 wrote...

Topsider wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

Topsider wrote...

This theory is absolutely ridiculous. I can't believe that people think it's acceptable to ship a game with fake endings, and then release the "real" end via DLC. That would set a very bad precedent... and destroy Bioware's credibility. The game you paid for is incomplete so cough up more cash to finish it, unless you expect it free of charge. Unlkely to say the least. The concept of paying for real endings actually sickens me. 
The only hallucinations happening here are the theorist's own. Denial. Plain and simple.

But you think shipping a game with a horrible written ending full of plotholes that makes no sense is perfectly acceptable and would not affect Bioware's credibility? Your statement does absolutely Nothing to discredit this theory, it only states your unhappy about it. Its not untrue just cos you dont like it.

I'm discrediting the concept of releasing a game with fake endings and using DLC to fix that mess. If you have to pay for it that's even worse. We paid for a complete game, right? Oh, but you need to buy DLC later or it doesn't make sense? That would be outright lying and misrepresenting your product.

Yet the way they explained the endings in pre release interview according to your theory is also outright lying and misrepresenting your product. I understand this predicament isnt to your liking but again, you state nothing to discredit the indoctrination/hallucination explenation of the ending except stating your displeasure.

It discredits the theory because I don't think Bioware would be stupid enough to make 'real ending' DLC. The product you buy should be complete. If Shepard is indoctrinated that should be stated in the game we have. Some people will probably never touch ME3 again, should they be denied the true end? I think the whole concept stinks, so any theory that writes off the ending as part of an elaborate hallucination/indoctrination is probably just grasping at straws.