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[Icinix]

windermeer wrote...

Another possibility could be a simpler one: compression. How about using a higher compression (for textures and so on) on the PC version cause they a often more powerful than consoles?

Compression could be a factor, but if anything you would expect less compression on PC.

[DarkPhoenixAsh]

hismastersvoice wrote...

The implants TIM used to broadcast the control signal were developed after they rebuild Shepard. So even if Shepard was put together with Reaper tech, I doubt he's actively broadcasting indoctrination signal himself.

*nods*  Was worried about that.  Thanks for the quick reply. 

Elscotto1989 wrote...

DarkPhoenixAsh wrote...

Goikiu wrote...

DarkPhoenixAsh wrote...

Alright, I read the OP and the last 10 or so pages of responses. I would love to read everything on this thread, but I just don't have the time.

Assuming we follow the indoctrination theory...

When Shepard was killed in the beginning of Mass Effect 2 and was rebuilt by TIM - do you think it's possible that he used Reaper tech to rebuild  Shepard? If that's the case, it could explain why Shepard was able to convince ME2 squad mates to join up for the Suicide Mission without too much of a hassle. Would also apply during ME3 too (thinking about Hackett's dialogue right here).

During one of the conversations TIM had with Kai Leng, he said Shepard was just a tool. Shortly after TIM indoctrinated himself or at least tried to taint himself with Reaper tech. So with Shepard and Sanctuary casualties under his belt...

It's a stab in the dark. Please don't flame me if this was mentioned before. :X

Is it possible.... but what about who have make a new charachter for ME3? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]

I've only played an imported character, so I'm not sure how much the story  is altered if you load up a new character and start on ME3.  Would that  kill that whole train of thought?  (Sorry for my ignorance.)

nah its mentioned that if you dont import that certain events in the past are predetermined for you. so no worries.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

*whew*  hehe.  

Modifié par DarkPhoenixAsh, 14 mars 2012 - 11:21 .

[coruptai125]

Icinix wrote...

Goikiu wrote...

coruptai125 wrote...

Gamingtrek12025 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Goikiu wrote...
I'm an Xbox user, so i'll explain some of the "6GB" more large.
1) Probably some other language are in that
2) When you use / install a game on your hdd (if you've got one)  you copy the entire DVD so the game basycs like graphics or the Engine will be in either DVD because if you don't have an HD on your xbox you need to load data from the disc.

Still doesn't explain it. From what I read even disc purcahses on PC are still 6gb smaller (they install everything of both DVD's).

Actually - do you know how much space your install is? I'll check mine.

Well this way they could just release a patch for the 360 unlocking it and not have to go through microsoft and their fee's for DLC and since the PC version is running Origin(no matter where you buy it) they could just have you download it free of charge to them. This also removes the ability to data mine the files on PC.

Just to be clear the game is 14.6 GB on 360, 14.03 GB on PS3, and 9.8 GB on PC. Take that as you will.

Thanks for the clear data 

My PC install is 11.3gb - but that includes From Ashes as well.

Still - that is a very interesting discrepancy....

The PC size is what I got from amazon direct download, without any DLC. It is interesting though the sizedifference, but it could be easily explained with better compression on the PC version. I'm thinking the 360 version is a little larger than PS3 due to kinect/disc swapping integration.

Modifié par coruptai125, 14 mars 2012 - 11:12 .

[themidz]

hello, i read an interview with casey hudson. does that mean that our theory was not true? therefore we wont get another ending? :/

[RiGoRmOrTiS_UK]

You are far better comparing installation size than download size.

[Aanlen]

Selvec_Darkon wrote...

ME3 endings = DA endings

Its just Dragon Age all over again. I think people forget that in DA you could die in the ending. The Warden might not have actually made it out alive.

And what did they do with DA? They made another story with another character. Thats all that is going to happen to the ME universe. You might get a better ending like they did with Witch Hunt, but it won't be to continue the Commanders story, it will be to put it to rest. Cue big portal mirror and love interest.

The problem with that though, is that it is copmletely impossible to build something from the universe ME3 ends with, if we are going to be able to import saves. The endings are either that there are no synthetics, or that space Jesus is controlling the reapers, or that all organics have melded with synthetics. HOW can you make a game that can incorporate all of those choices? Unless they make is to be "This game is based on the Mass EFfect universe, if Shepard chose the merge option"

Sounds like bull****. There must be another ending, because no company wanting money would screw themselves THIS bad.

[Wire_Damage]

Hm after finishing the mission you are at the galaxy map.... and if you open it you are in the Ilusiv mans System and the mission is active so you could replay it several times... so it is foreseen that you can play the end a second time... i have wipped out the reapers but i didn't have seen the awakening in London or I didn't get it...

[Abram730]

Consoles have less memory so they need to stream from disk.. That means you need sustained reads and that can mean having the same data in a few places to limit random access..

[N7Kopper]

I saw this thread, and thought that if we really cracked it that quickly (before the game even came out in my country) they'd renege on this idea.
But most people don't realise how much goddamn sense this makes. This makes me hold hope that it'll still happen.

Fooled me. It did. It really, really did. Damn it, I'm Saren. ¬_¬

[coruptai125]

The PC size is what I got from amazon direct download, without any DLC. It is interesting though the size difference, but it could be easily explained with better compression on the PC version. I'm thinking the 360 version is a little larger than PS3 due to kinect/disc swapping integration.

Modifié par coruptai125, 14 mars 2012 - 11:28 .

[Abram730]

Aanlen wrote...

Selvec_Darkon wrote...

ME3 endings = DA endings

Its just Dragon Age all over again. I think people forget that in DA you could die in the ending. The Warden might not have actually made it out alive.

And what did they do with DA? They made another story with another character. Thats all that is going to happen to the ME universe. You might get a better ending like they did with Witch Hunt, but it won't be to continue the Commanders story, it will be to put it to rest. Cue big portal mirror and love interest.

The problem with that though, is that it is copmletely impossible to build something from the universe ME3 ends with, if we are going to be able to import saves. The endings are either that there are no synthetics, or that space Jesus is controlling the reapers, or that all organics have melded with synthetics. HOW can you make a game that can incorporate all of those choices? Unless they make is to be "This game is based on the Mass EFfect universe, if Shepard chose the merge option"

Sounds like bull****. There must be another ending, because no company wanting money would screw themselves THIS bad.

You are indoctrinated... That is all.

[Icinix]

coruptai125 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Goikiu wrote...

coruptai125 wrote...

Just to be clear the game is 14.6 GB on 360, 14.03 GB on PS3, and 9.8 GB on PC. Take that as you will.

Thanks for the clear data 

My PC install is 11.3gb - but that includes From Ashes as well.

Still - that is a very interesting discrepancy....

The PC size is what I got from amazon direct download, without any DLC. It is interesting though the sizedifference, but it could be easily explained with better compression on the PC version. I'm thinking the 360 version is a little larger than PS3 due to kinect/disc swapping integration.

The kinect could account for the extra size - but even if for some strange reason the PC had a greater amount of compressed files - I just can't see how it could account for nearly 4gb worth of data. That is huge!

Modifié par Icinix, 14 mars 2012 - 11:20 .

[Gowienczyk]

I've missed everything from the 12pm (yeserday, EST) - now, what are any updates I missed?

[Flapperrr]

Hello, brothers and sisters on a faith in the hallucinogenic theory! Appeared - whether what new information or hints? We so try that is inconvenient to find something in the continuous flow of new pages.

[Icinix]

coruptai125 said...

Well this way they could just release a patch for the 360 unlocking it and not have to go through microsoft and their fee's for DLC and since the PC version is running Origin(no matter where you buy it) they could just have you download it free of charge to them. This also removes the ability to data mine the files on PC.

Thats my train of thought too. Leaks were killer during ME3 marketing - but PC needs to have Origin and an online activation.

Xbox / PS3 doesn't - more players on console don't have Internet access - so makes sense.

[Hfad]

Allrigh for some of you big news for some not, if you open journal and go to Codex, chose a topic The reapers and listen to or read what is indoctrination there is exactly said Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain about headaches and buzzing or ringing their ears. As time passes they have feelings of ''being watched'' and hallucination of ''ghostly'' presence. Ultimately, the reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify the signals, manifesting as ''alien'' voice in the mind. I rewroted it exactly as it is writen there. Hope this gives us hope. sorry for my english it is my second langue.

[Ona Demonie]

Gowienczyk wrote...

I've missed everything from the 12pm (yeserday, EST) - now, what are any updates I missed?

More cryptic tweets and Casey Hudson's interview. A lot of people believe that it means an end to the theory, but he said he wanted people to DEBATE it. Could mean he still has plans up his sleeve or its the end of our theory. Its up to you.

Its not a direct "These are the endings. Deal with it" but its not "These are not the endings".

[Tibiilicious]

You know that iOS app that sends you updates and texts from the games' characters as you proceed throughout the game.

You get sent this message from you LI after you beat it.

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So ...dlc with extended ending ?

Modifié par Tibiilicious, 14 mars 2012 - 11:26 .

[Pelleran]

First of all, hi everyone.

I have been lurking around in this thread for quite some time now and I think I should add my two cents. 



===== DISCLAIMER 1 =====

If any of what I say here has already been pointed out, please forgive and tell me. My brains suffered a meltdown after reading about 200 pages in one go...


However, I wanted to say that you guys are really great. With that much effort put into finding a solution to what I perceive as a riddle invented by Bioware for us to solve while planning their comeback in the final round in the ring, you made me want to add my own paranoia and crazy thoughts to it.

Also, please forgive this massive wall of text, but I do not want to split this up over several posts...



===== BIOWARE =====

I have been intrigued about how calm Bioware remained about the ****storm unleashed everywhere about their baby Mass Effect 3. Taking into consideration my job (Head of Support in a small company) and having done some Marketing before, their behaviour was more than interesting and still is.



1. HARDEST. DAY. EVER. This statement by Mike Gamble (it has been brought up, if I remember correctly) seems to me that they had indeed braced for a strong wind throwing **** in their general direction. However, I do not think they actually considered a Hurricane throwing every bit of **** in their face as it is happening at the moment. Consider me a **** if you like (not that I would care... :-P), but I think they just were not ready to take that much of a hit. My thoughts on this one.

(a) They have, over the years, often enough stated that the Mass Effect trilogy is their baby. They had the story completely down before they even started programming the very first game (I don't have it right here, but a video game magazine printed an interview with Bioware officials who said this; Courtesy to GameStar). I do not think they would have come up with such a sloppy ending to a series of games they all had feelings about.


2. The trailers and release date. Correct me if I am totally wrong, but I remember the trailers telling us the following. "Your quest to take back earth begins March 6th". As far as I am concerned, this tells us a lot and has been all but forgotten about by the community. If I am correct on this one (I sadly cannot bring up the trailer(s) I read this in, but I am pretty certain about it), it tells us quite some information.

(a) This is a statement Marketing would make. It can be interpreted in various ways. You as the players start playing at that date. However, this would imply they were aiming at the reactions happening now, for there is no way that the ending would not get spoiled/discussed/**** all about by the US community.

( I think, they intended something else with that statement. To me, it sounds like they told us from the very beginning about their plans. They could not come around the corner and tell us straight into our faces "Hey everyone, we are going to put up some suspense hoping you all go crazy about it and yell at us for being what we are not. We only do this to show you how indoctrination works," or "... We only do this because we like to put a massive twist into the storyline".
The fact that it begins March 6th is nebulous enough to deny anything and agree to everything the community makes of it, so I guess this is courtesy to their Marketing department.

© Why in hell would they come up with such a statement, if not to tell us something? Considering the massive marketing campaign before release, wouldn't it be a more striking sentence to say something corny like "It all ends March 6th"? Or "The end of the Reapers begins March 6th"? Why would they come up with something that does not really say anything about the outcome at all? I know, this could possibly be a statement made to increase anticipation and I may be a paranoid nut. But who knows?



3. Twitter. As happened already in this forum, twitter statements are posted here as possible solutions to the riddle Bioware gave us with the endings. I don't know if you are aware of how Social Marketing/Social CRM works (I cannot claim to know it all as well), but my gut tells me that this is a form of Social Marketing campaign, a viral marketing for their game. Everyone talks about it. But back to topic. Every statement made on Twitter is a statement made by the company itself, not a certain employee who happens to type it into the Twitter box. They have to remain nebulous, if I am correct with my guesses about the release date.

(a) The various Q&A posted in this thread... I don't know. It seems like they try to forcibly make us fish in muddy waters...

( The mention of horizon, and another user mentioning that horizon could mean Japan, would imply that you guys are correct with your assumption, that Bioware is waiting for everyone to have a chance at playing through their game at least once. Considering their online feedback feature, that feature would make even more sense from such a point of view.

© They say they have no ETA to announce and their continuous statements that players should hold on to their copies and save games of Mass Effect 3. This is another point that seems to point at my theory for Social Marketing. Do you really believe a company like Bioware would not know better than to ****** off their entire community by delivering such an ending to the game?

(d) Also, as Elendstourist pointed out, the statement of Mike Gamble about reactions is still around. In my opinion, this is another strong hint that they are holding back deliberately despite the **** storm hurting them.



===== The Game =====

First of all, let me make something clear. I am a die-hard fan of the entire Mass Effect trilogy and believe it to be the greatest series of games ever. The massive storytelling by Bioware with these three games is awesome and I don't care if I am being called a **** for defending Bioware.

I loved and love playing this game, cried at certain points (Mordin, Thane, oddly enough the poet Krogan's last words for his loved one, Legion, Anderson), was happy at others (finally putting a bullet into TIM - even though it might turn out just to be imagination... - getting KL to pay for his crimes, putting an end to Cerberus), laughed hard (Wrex...) and was amazed by the cutscene leading to the final assault on Earth.



===== The Endings =====



1. When I came to the end of the game, after being hit by Harbingers beam, I did not notice any of my squadmates dead on the ground. I did in fact notice the molten armour. It looked strange, considering that I wore Cerberus armour before the beam hit and the remains did not look anyway close to the original, though that might be courtesy to Harbingers beam.

(a) On my way to the Conduit leading to the Citadel, I could not ignore the fact that it seemed like Shepard remembering his adventure on Ilos. It has already been pointed out in this thread.

( On the Citadel, I felt reminded of the Collector base, minus the Keepers - who, accidentally, bear some resemblance to Collectors in being insectoid, a pattern, anyone? - and realized, too, that there were only humans. No other races.

© If I remember correctly, there was only one way up to where Shepard and Anderson meet again. There is no way TIM could have got there without Shepard noticing him in the first place. Which leads directly to my second point...


2. We all think about how TIM could possibly exert some kind of indoctrination on Shepard and Anderson. What we forget, however, is the following. Remember Mass Effect 1. Remember Feros. The Thorian used spores to control people. We have absolutely no idea about how that control works or how long it takes to infect someone.

(a) I may be on the completely wrong track here, but Cerberus experimented with the Thorian and paid ExoGeni for samples and stuff. Who says it is impossible for TIM to use these spores on Shepard and Anderson with himself as a replacement for the Thorian? It was capable of forcing Fei Dan to raise a gun at Shepard.
It is an effect similar to Indoctrination. So we could mistake one for the other.

( Also, we have so many stuff in these last minutes from older games, all of which already pointed out by everyone of you guys, but even in the Mass Effect 2 Genesis story, Feros was left out of the picture. Why? Maybe to make us forget about it?

© If this was the case, than TIM could eventually be indoctrinated and still exert power over others. Considering how long it took Shepard to get to that confrontation without a breather, there was ample opportunity to infect him with pheromones. This is also linked to my point 3, which follows now.


3. Anderson's Death. I was intrigued by that scene. I was not fully sure of what happened there. We see Shepard being forced to shoot his oldest friend, the person who claimed, back on Earth, that Shepard would owe him more than one.

(a) First of all. Is there are reason why TIM would allow Shepard to let Anderson live any longer than it takes a bullet/beam of light/plasma shot to penetrate the heart or brains of a person? If the Reapers wanted to break Shepard, why in hell would they wait for Anderson to slowly bleed to death. If it was their intention to break Shepard's will, what would be better suited to do so than to show him that his resistance is indeed futile? What would break someone's will quicker than the realization that I cannot stop myself from shooting dead my best and oldest friend?

( Second, even taking out of the picture what I wrote above, why would they make TIM attempt to shoot Anderson? It would be better suited to break Shepard to make him watch Anderson slowly bleed to death while TIM gives a speech about how Shepard (or his trigger finger) killed Anderson. There is absolutely no reason for him not to gloat about that.

© Summing up all the above, I came to the conclusion that it might be an attempted indoctrination by TIM, combined with something else. As pointed out earlier in this thread, indoctrination is subtle and while Harbinger can assume direct control, he is not shown doing it to any kind of Reaper creature other than Collectors. Aside from that, indoctrination is no direct interaction with the person being indoctrinated and certainly not direct control of their actions, except if they are already indoctrinated. But I do not believe so, for Anderson is also unable to control himself and staggers about like a drunk moron.

(d) To me, it appeared that there had to be some other form of influence, and the Thorian's pheromones made most sense to me. Unless TIM is actually Professor Xavier or Jean Grey, or any descendant from that family, but let's not go there.


4. Hackett calling Shepard. This was more than odd in my opinion. Alliance command in London aired that Hammer was completely wiped out. This includes Shepard and Anderson. How could he know that it is Shepard who actually opened Citadel's arms?

(a) To Hackett, there is no way to be certain who actually gave them the chance to use the Crucible. He must have received word at that time already, that Hammer's been wiped out by Harbinger. I know, Hackett may be a psychic, but it was off on so many levels.

( Shepard was mumbling stuff when Hackett talked to him. The old war horse did not say anything but giving orders to do something about the situation. While we learn Hackett is a soldier through and through, not even he would forego asking Shepard about Anderson. At least that is my gut feeling about Hackett.

© This leads to the scene with Shepard and the God Kid...



===== The God Kid =====

1. I actually do share the common belief on this thread that the kid is not actually there. Mulling over all the instances... I came to the following ideas.

(a) We first see the kid playing on what appears to be the roof of a military building. With a garden. Come on. Even in a futuristic Earth, does anyone belief the military would allow children to run around freely in their base, let alone allow them to go to the roof of a skyscraper and just play there with a model fighter? I highly doubt that.

( The next time we see the kid, it sits inside an airduct. It is completely silent and a Husk does not notice it until it tries to rip Shepard's face off while being stuck between two parts of a door? I assume a kid who sees something like a husk, especially for the first time, would at least inhale sharply if it was an extremely jaded kid. I cannot wrap my head around the concept that it sat in that duct all the time. Also, how would it happen to get there. If it was the same skyscraper it was playing on, where did all the green go from when it played there? Also, in a military building, how are the chances that a kid could rip the paneling from an airduct only to crawl in their, in a building that is likely to be protected from stuff like that happening, considering that a spy might be able to employ a tactic such as this?

© When Shepard is done speaking with the kid, Anderson ripping him out of that conversation, we hear the characteristic Reaper sound. That might be courtesy to the Reapers outside giving their performance of the elefant in the porcelaine store, but I am inclined to believe that it was actually an ambient sound around Shepard, with Harbinger, Sovereign, or whoever being pissed that Anderson tore Shepard back into reality.

(d) The shuttle scene. As pointed out earlier, nobody happens to realize there is a child. Does anyone here really believe the soldiers who are apparently protecting the civilians while boarding the shuttle see a Reaper approach, see a kid standing there, gazing at the Reaper, and not grab the kid to throw it into the shuttle? Come on. But I guess, that is just my personal development breaking through here.

(e) Also, none of the other civilians help the kid getting into the shuttle? I don't think so. No matter how bad it is outside, for a kid, many people would go great lengths. At least I hope that it is like that.

(f) Then we see the kid getting blown up. And Shpard looks like someone stabbed him in the eye with a ball pen.

(g) The next instance is the kid and Shepard's dreams. At first, I thought these were just nightmares about so many people dieing to the Reapers. But as the story progressed, after every encounter with a Reaper (correct me, if I am wrong here), Shepard has such a dream. That occurred odd to me. Why is it only then? Does Shepard not sleep at other times? Does he not have these nightmares unless he first takes out a Reaper somehow? Also, the fact that in the last nightmare, he burns together with the kid, could be an indication that Shepard is finally losing his battle against indoctrination.

(h) But we also have to take into consideration, that in a dream, nothing is as it seems. As far as I know, Death in a dream, like burning, indicates a change. Indicates, that someone is able to finally put a past chapter in their life to rest. I may lean out of the window far too wide, but I assumed it means that Shepard finally coped with the kid dieing. Until...

(i) I got to the god kid's holographic projection...


2. Here, we are presented with an odd occurrence. We see an area which appears to exist on top of the Citadel, if you look at it vertically. As pointed out with nice pictures (thanks for that, btw.) the Citadel seems to be connected to the Crucible by that laser beam you jump into when you choose the Synthesis ending (I will get to that later).

(a) If that is true, that we are in that place, it would mean we stand in open space. Shepard already had an encounter with open space and we all know how it ended.

( Initially, that was not my concern. My concern was. If the Catalyst was the Citadel all the time, and if it is capable of reading minds, as indicated by the fact that it took the shape of the kid, why did it not happen to come around sooner? I know, the entire mumbo-jumbo with the Cycle and that it had created the Reapers... That's wrong on many levels, for my taste.

© First of all, there is the point that the god kid refers to the Reapers as Reapers. Why would it use a Prothean-coined term for their own creation? If it is true that the race who created the Citadel also created the Reapers - for whatever reason - would it not refer to them by their "true name"?

(d) This could probably be explained by the fact that the god kid is an extremely sophisticated form of VI/AI hybrid created by the first race who built the Citadel to act as a caretaker for their creation. However, if this is true, it implies that the Citadel sees the Reapers as its own creation as a sort of result from the initial programming. Maybe, that god kid is some kind of rogue AI from the creator's age that actually made the reapers in whatever way as a form of rebellion against its creators? Remember the Rogue AI on the Presidium in Mass Effect 1. It also used scrap to make a bomb from. Scary thought, nonetheless.

(e) This could eventually also explain why it calls the Reapers like that. Remember Vigil? He claimed that the Prothean scientists on Ilos made changes to the Citadel. These changes may have effected the god kid, too. If you add code to something that overwrites a constant with a new entry, this new entry entirely replaces the old entry. "Reapers" could have replaced the original name given by the Citadel.

(f) If this train of thought is correct, the Citadel would be some sort of GLaDOS or S.H.O.D.A.N.

(g) Picking up my thought from the very beginning of this point, if they are standing there in open space, then it would definitely mean Shepard is either a very sophisticated AI in a robot body - or it is entirely a hallucination/indoctrination attempt meddling with his mind.

(h) Against the robot body theory stand all the occurrences of Shepard bleeding and also the fact that - if his love interest is Liara - she would have probably realized that stuff is going on that should not go on during bonding.


3. The choices. Now, we are at the point where the god kid explains everything. Even here, something intrigued me as odd.

(a) We get a more or less thorough explanation of what every option does. It does not matter for my point whether the god kid lies, is Harbinger, the devil, our actual god, or Daniel Jackson who ascended for the 10th time. Or the Voyager's doctor program in some kind of weird cross universe story.

( The god kid proclaims, that the Crucible changed it. How could that happen with a device that was not initially taken into account by the creator race? If someone powerful enough to make the Reapers and the Citadel with a VI/AI like that one could not protect it from being overwritten with new forms of solutions. That makes no sense to me at all. But it would explain why the Synthesis beam is the only option that comes with the Crucible.

© We also get shown examples of what other people would do.

(d) Obviously TIM would choose control. He made it clear to the point of no interpretation possible that he was intent on enslaving the Reapers to his will. What he would do with them in the end is left open to speculation, but in my book, it does not matter. Hallucination or not, the next time my Shepard sees the real TIM, he is going to die, if the game allows it.

(e) God kid claims that TIM could have tried but he would have failed due to being already indoctrinated. If that is true, and the guesses in this thread also prove to be true that Shepard is already lightly indoctrinated or indoctrinated to the point of no return at the time of choosing, he would die too, achieving nothing.

(f) Then we have the ominous destroy option. This is shown as the option Anderson would choose. Shepards friend throughout the entire series. With whom Shepard shares the belief that only destroying the Reapers can bring peace. He does exactly what TIM accuses him of. He views the world only down the barrel of his gun.

(g) God kid claims that the destroy option would take out all synthetic life in the milky way. It also assumes that Shepard, being partially synthetic as well, would not survive. I guess we all agree on this being an attempt to make him stay away from this option. The game is all over the sacrifice thematic. We get it smacked into our faces at various points throughout all three instances of the series. I wondered all the time why the god kid would put emphasis on the fact that all synthetic life would be wiped out. If Shepard did not help EDI and let the Geth die, would this argument of the god kid actually have any impact on Shepard, who is actually ready to sacrifice himself for the greater good, if I am correct.

(h) Lastly, there is the Synthesis option. This is an oddball in several ways. For one, this is what Saren proposed. What he believed in. Indoctrination or not, I think this is actually Saren's belief and not the whispers of Sovereign in his ears. However, unlike with the other two options, we are not shown Saren doing anything. This might be due to the fact that Saren is already dead and gone by that point. But if this is Shepard's hallucination, would it not make sense for him to associate the Synthesis option with Saren?

(i) However, god kid claims that this would wipe out essentially all life in the galaxy and combine it into a new DNA. This would mean that the result would be a cyborg race, bearing both, organic and synthetic traits. While this is something that sounds like the Reapers won at first, I mulled it over several times. I even went to sleep with my computer on, at that very point, the decision making. This leads me to the general topic of the actual ending sequences.



===== DISCLAIMER 2 ======

What follows after this disclaimer is my opinion alone. If I have insulted anyone in the above text, it was not my intention and I apologize for it.

Even going into my second attempt at the game, I love the hell out of this game and I intend on achieving the highest possible EMS at the current time. Maybe the results will alter my opinions, but until then, the following is the conclusion I came to.



===== THE ACTUAL ENDING SEQUENCES =====

After a long period of mulling it over and over, I came to a single conclusion. I know, many of you will disagree, but I will give my arguments for my decision. If anyone feels insulted by this, please forgive me, yell at me in a PM or do anything you want.


1. I actually chose the Synthesis ending! Shocking, I know.

(a) I happen to believe in the fact that it was just a form of foreshadowing of what is to come for Shepard. The entire run down the hill up to the point of selection. That is, in my eyes, pure hallucination and a form of Bioware showing us, the players, what it would be like if they followed through with their plans after the leakage that occurred.

( I strongly belief that they had the end rewritten, with what we saw being the old ending. This would also accomodate for the fact that TIM was not the heavily modified boss fight everyone expected after consulting the art book and data mining operations. It might also account for the strange silence that comes from Bioware themselves.

© With that out of the way, on with my actual arguments.

(d) While the god kid says that everything dies and a new kind of DNA is created, this could mean that everything is molten into a puddle and reshaped. But if that is true, why are the guys on the Andromeda Ascendant... errr... the Normandy still alive and kicking after being in contact with the green energy wave? I realize that Joker has that green glow on him, but that must not mean much, considering this is just a hallucination?

(e) What if the Synthesis option is actually a form of saying "Hey guys, the Reapers have been wiped out, but we have to stop beating the snot out of each other over things like synthetic and organic life."? I am aware of what Synthesis means. I am just thinking, letting my thoughts flow on.



===== DISCLAIMER 3 =====

After I have played the game and made up my mind on the decision I chose, I just had to mull it over some more. It actually occurred to me after reading through this thread that I might not have thought of everything. So, here is some more text. I have not written enough already, as it seems.



===== THE CRUCIBLE =====

This trail of thought occurred to me when I was thinking about the Synthesis ending some more. I do not include this in my explanation, because it has nothing to do with my motivation at that very point.

1. The Crucible blueprints are old. I don't remember if it is said throughout the game whether the Protheans were the first ones to attempt it or not. However, if this is such an old blueprint, are sure that it actually is a weapon for us to use against the Reapers. If what has been said somewhere in this thread already holds true and this device's blueprints have been left over by the creators of the Reapers, what does this tell us?

(a) The creators of the Reapers must have been the most advanced race in the history of the Mass Effect universe. Not only did they create the Citadel and the Mass Relays, they also created a race of sentient machines (Cyborgs?) that have the ability to survive for 50,000 years or more in Dark Space on energy saving mode. And this happens since the beginning of time. Why in the universe would they leave behind a weapon like that without constructing and using it themselves if they were to be assaulted by their own creations?

( As stated earlier, the Citadel and Crucible are linked only by that beam of light. If the Crucible actually has the power to alter the behaviour of the Citadel's AI/VI god kid how would it do that without any physical interface with the Citadel? This means that there must have been some sort of pre-programmed behaviour should anyone ever attach the Crucible to the Citadel.

© If Shepard jumps into the beam of light and gets thoroughly disintegrated, does it occur to anyone as odd that, despite him looking like a husk in the end, his physical make up is apparently used as a blueprint to re-write the DNA of everything alive in the universe? How would that be possible, all from a beam of light that has no actual interface with anything? I mean, the blueprints may be not understandable in some points. But any sentient, sane race would explain what happens if the Crucible is employed, even if it has to be done in picture language. I know, the Space Magic argument has been brought up, but consider it.

(d) If a race was advanced enough to pull off a feat like that, how would they not be smart enough to build a failsafe into the physical reaper bodies, not accessible to the Reapers themselves, like something that shortcircuits the physical frame, rendering the Reapers motionless and unable to do anything with their massive intellect? As a matter of fact, any kind of AI is only as smart as its creator - in the beginning, I know.

(e) Also, as it was pointed out several times throughout this thread, the literal meaning of Crucible. The Crucible means that everything mingles within it. This would explain why the only option given by the Crucible is the Synthesis.



===== THE GB SIZE OF THE GAME =====

Bioware has already explained with the Day 1 DLC why there is a discrepancy between the actual installed game size and the recommended HDD space. However, I do not think that Bioware has encrypted files on the discs that vouch for 5 GB of additional armour, weapons, equipment, maybe even one or two more squadmates. In my humble opinion, this shows that they are hiding something from the public which will be unlocked later.



===== THE DLC THEMATIC =====

Should it actually be the case that Bioware releases the "true" ending via DLC that unlocks the hidden files, I would be happy about it. It would fortify my opinion on Bioware as the single greatest games making company in existance. Also, despite the fact that many others believe otherwise, I do not think Bioware is the money hungry monster as it is depicted by some other people, even around here.

Maybe I am too much of an idealist for this world, but I happen to believe that if they unlock the true ending, they will do it for free after a certain date in the calendar.

[Flapperrr]

Tibiilicious wrote...
http://i1203.photobu....cs03/photo.png

Link not the complete.

[Ravax]

http://www.gamefront...ns-are-right/6/

Very nice article that shows we are right!

[coruptai125]

Tibiilicious wrote...

You know that iOS app that sends you updates and texts from the games' characters as you proceed throughout the game.

You get sent this message from you LI after you beat it.

i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb390/becspics03/photo.png

So ...dlc with extended ending ?

Sounds like her texting you from the hospital. Also those texts in codex are really stupid.

Modifié par coruptai125, 14 mars 2012 - 11:30 .

[Gamingtrek12025]

Tibiilicious wrote...

You know that iOS app that sends you updates and texts from the games' characters as you proceed throughout the game.

You get sent this message from you LI after you beat it.

i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb390/becspics03/photo.png

So ...dlc with extended ending ?

Woah thats crazy.


Edit: Right the hospital. ><

Modifié par Gamingtrek12025, 14 mars 2012 - 11:31 .

[AshenSugar]

I have to say, that if all this is true, and it really was down to an illusion (indoctrination) I'd have enourmous respect for Bioware, having the guts to pull off something as audacious as this.

[kyrieee]

coruptai125 wrote...

Tibiilicious wrote...

You know that iOS app that sends you updates and texts from the games' characters as you proceed throughout the game.

You get sent this message from you LI after you beat it.

i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb390/becspics03/photo.png

So ...dlc with extended ending ?

Sounds like her texting you from the hospital. Also those texts in codex are really stupid.

It certainly does not
It sounds like she's texting you when YOU'RE in the hospital