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[Icinix]

Noob451 wrote...

leapingmonkeys wrote...

One problem with the ID theory - both your choices indicate that it started early in the game.  Problem is, when Shepard goes to retrieve the final Prothean artifact to complete the Crucible, there is a VI there.  When Kai shows up, the VI announces "Indoctrinated agent detected" and shuts down.  If Shepard was ID'd early in the game, why didn't the VI detect it?

No, sadly, the explanation is much simplier.  Someone at BW/EA decided that they wanted the game to end on a dark note because it appealed to some morbid sense of drama (instead of realizing that this was a game meant to be enjoyed by the players who were playing the game so that they could be heros, save the day and ride off into the sunset with their LI).

To that end, they pre-conceived the ending they wanted, ignored everything else that lead to it, ignored how the ending didn't fit because they had already decided what ending they wanted, and there you are.  In fact, the whole idea that "past actions would impact the course of ME3" was abstracted down into a mostly invisible number (effective military strength).  The number had no visible impact on the game play or choices that Shepard could make.  Its sole role was to act as a fickle finger of fate to indicate what the final cut-scene would be when you arrived at the one and only ending.

maybe because shep isn't indoctrinated yet, he's just fighting it. after earth he only saw the boy while he was sleeping, and at the end if he is unconscious, it could make sense, if he isn't alert how would he fight the indoctrination?

Yeah - I would say why Shep is unconcious, close to Harbinger and other Reapers, its an agressive attempt to indoctrinate him - not Shep actually indoctrinated.

[prag16]

leapingmonkeys wrote...

One problem with the ID theory - both your choices indicate that it started early in the game.  Problem is, when Shepard goes to retrieve the final Prothean artifact to complete the Crucible, there is a VI there.  When Kai shows up, the VI announces "Indoctrinated agent detected" and shuts down.  If Shepard was ID'd early in the game, why didn't the VI detect it?

No, sadly, the explanation is much simplier.  Someone at BW/EA decided that they wanted the game to end on a dark note because it appealed to some morbid sense of drama (instead of realizing that this was a game meant to be enjoyed by the players who were playing the game so that they could be heros, save the day and ride off into the sunset with their LI).

To that end, they pre-conceived the ending they wanted, ignored everything else that lead to it, ignored how the ending didn't fit because they had already decided what ending they wanted, and there you are.  In fact, the whole idea that "past actions would impact the course of ME3" was abstracted down into a mostly invisible number (effective military strength).  The number had no visible impact on the game play or choices that Shepard could make.  Its sole role was to act as a fickle finger of fate to indicate what the final cut-scene would be when you arrived at the one and only ending.

It didn't necessarily have to start early in the game.  The indoctrination ATTEMPTS started early in the game, but the indoctrination is only SUCCESSFUL if you (the player) are fooled by Harbinger into thinking that either Saren's idea (green) or TIM's idea (blue) are actually GOOD ideas in the end (these are both ideas that you spent three games hating... only to be convinced by some little boy apparition out of nowhere with no debate????  No way)  Thus breaking the fourth wall and making gaming history.

[Demoman92]

11 thousand replies. Eleven thousand!
How long can they act like nothing happens...

[Descedent]

Demoman92 wrote...

11 thousand replies. Eleven thousand!
How long can they act like nothing happens...

when its 111,000

[Pelleran]

Icinix wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Just making sure.

And those still going on about the 4chan/GameFAQ "insights", all have stated that the issue with the ending is the leak, and that they purposely changed/half-***ed the ending due to the leaks.

So...why are the endings the same in all of the scripts as the endings we get in the game?  Read people. 

The ending choices may be real - but may have other options beside them.

Their presentation and execution may vary massively - also the script was not complete.

What if the entire last act was not in their....OR...*puts on extra large tin foil hat on top of already large tin foil hat* They leaked the leak deliberately to add validity to the endings we got? In fact - even the early demo mistake "Cerberus is indoctrinated, they're capable of anything."....there is a lot of fishyness going on here...

I actually thought about something like that, but trashed that thought again after some mulling over. However, with the tin foil hat being applied, one could probably assume that the endings we got were Bioware's response to the trend of data mining everything and leaking the **** out of everything. It is a great way to tell all the spoiler guys what they think about them. Anybody think about that for a moment?

[killnoob]

Why the hell would people even consider this a viable theory?

If Shepard's hallucinating/indoctrinated, why would the space god gives him the option to destroy reapers?

[EXMugamy]

[FrostByte-GER]

Guys... bad news

http://www.digitaltr...-controversies/
[...]"That to me is part of what’s exciting about this story. There has always been a little bit of mystery there and a little bit of interpretation, and it’s a story that people can talk about after the fact."

I give a **** on his statement! But don't think that I hate him

[killnoob]

Pelleran wrote...

Icinix wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Just making sure.

And those still going on about the 4chan/GameFAQ "insights", all have stated that the issue with the ending is the leak, and that they purposely changed/half-***ed the ending due to the leaks.

So...why are the endings the same in all of the scripts as the endings we get in the game?  Read people. 

The ending choices may be real - but may have other options beside them.

Their presentation and execution may vary massively - also the script was not complete.

What if the entire last act was not in their....OR...*puts on extra large tin foil hat on top of already large tin foil hat* They leaked the leak deliberately to add validity to the endings we got? In fact - even the early demo mistake "Cerberus is indoctrinated, they're capable of anything."....there is a lot of fishyness going on here...

I actually thought about something like that, but trashed that thought again after some mulling over. However, with the tin foil hat being applied, one could probably assume that the endings we got were Bioware's response to the trend of data mining everything and leaking the **** out of everything. It is a great way to tell all the spoiler guys what they think about them. Anybody think about that for a moment?

Why would you destroy a perfectly good game that you spent years working on just to spite sombody?

Makes no sense to me.

[Elenterx]

killnoob wrote...

Why the hell would people even consider this a viable theory?

If Shepard's hallucinating/indoctrinated, why would the space god gives him the option to destroy reapers?

To make him give up/give in, obviously.

[Syphirr]

killnoob wrote...

Why the hell would people even consider this a viable theory?

If Shepard's hallucinating/indoctrinated, why would the space god gives him the option to destroy reapers?

It's been covered a few hundred pages back; rest assured, it all works out.

[Pathero]

killnoob wrote...

Why the hell would people even consider this a viable theory?

If Shepard's hallucinating/indoctrinated, why would the space god gives him the option to destroy reapers?

Because if Shep would probably think WTF if there wasn't an option to destroy them.  It's been their driver for so long.

[Sparda Stonerule]

Syphirr wrote...

http://www.oxm.co.uk...before-release/

Stop right there.

http://www.gameranx....ies-conclusion/ 

[RacingManiac]

Was the Indoctrination theory based on that Shepard was Indoctrinated/being Indoctrinated throughtout the event of ME3, or the whole end sequence(everything after the beam blast) was part of the indoctrination process? The way it makes sense to me now at this point, from reading some of the conjectures was that after the blast everything was basically no longer reality, but attempts by Harbinger trying to mind-f*ck you and test your resolve. So anything happens after that point has no real weight to it up until the point when you picked the Destroy option and wakes up in the ruins of London(physically and mentally passing the test). I can sorta see that logically in that it basically makes all the imagery you see essentially "fake" and that their logical meaning pointless(Normandy flying away, Relays' destruction, space kid, inconsistency to squad member, Shepard survivng re-entry). You never left London. One of the point(of the gazillions out there) mentioned that all the stuff you seen essentially draws on memory and experience to trick you. This also means that the ME3 didn't really "end"....which I guess will be an issue in itself....

And I also think establishing that this means the war with Reaper is still going on, and the Crucible is yet to be deployed, and Someone still need to make it to the Citadel to finish it all.

[killnoob]

EXMugamy wrote...




If that's true, then bioware employees are infants.
Just because someone accidentally saw your undies, doesn't mean you have to go back home and change into another pair.

[Icinix]

killnoob wrote...

Pelleran wrote...

Icinix wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Just making sure.

And those still going on about the 4chan/GameFAQ "insights", all have stated that the issue with the ending is the leak, and that they purposely changed/half-***ed the ending due to the leaks.

So...why are the endings the same in all of the scripts as the endings we get in the game?  Read people. 

The ending choices may be real - but may have other options beside them.

Their presentation and execution may vary massively - also the script was not complete.

What if the entire last act was not in their....OR...*puts on extra large tin foil hat on top of already large tin foil hat* They leaked the leak deliberately to add validity to the endings we got? In fact - even the early demo mistake "Cerberus is indoctrinated, they're capable of anything."....there is a lot of fishyness going on here...

I actually thought about something like that, but trashed that thought again after some mulling over. However, with the tin foil hat being applied, one could probably assume that the endings we got were Bioware's response to the trend of data mining everything and leaking the **** out of everything. It is a great way to tell all the spoiler guys what they think about them. Anybody think about that for a moment?

Why would you destroy a perfectly good game that you spent years working on just to spite sombody?

Makes no sense to me.

...because a certain IP gobbling company got sick of destroying good games on principle alone? 

No I kid, I kid.

[byne]

killnoob wrote...

Why the hell would people even consider this a viable theory?

If Shepard's hallucinating/indoctrinated, why would the space god gives him the option to destroy reapers?

I believe the general idea we've all pretty much settled on is that since its not actually happening, the 'Destroy' option is just Shepard keeping his/her resolve to destroy the Reapers, and choosing that is basically resisting indoctrination, hence why s/he only wakes up in that ending.

[Syphirr]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

Syphirr wrote...

http://www.oxm.co.uk...before-release/

Stop right there.

http://www.gameranx....ies-conclusion/ 

Thanks for jumping in with that; avoided a lot of potential flaming.

[HairyMadDog1010]

Demoman92 wrote...

11 thousand replies. Eleven thousand!
How long can they act like nothing happens...

They are being silent for a few reasions imo.

1. We are totaly off ball and they  just take sick pleasure at our delusions.

2. It's true and they want to wate for more players to finish the game.
 
3. The ending was planed but after seeing the fans give them a free pass the devs are scrableing to figure out an indoctrination ending DLC.

[killnoob]

Elenterx wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Why the hell would people even consider this a viable theory?

If Shepard's hallucinating/indoctrinated, why would the space god gives him the option to destroy reapers?

To make him give up/give in, obviously.

So....

He says to him: 'hey this button destroy the reapers but don't touch it you should just give up?'

[cerberus1701]

killnoob wrote...

Why the hell would people even consider this a viable theory?

If Shepard's hallucinating/indoctrinated, why would the space god gives him the option to destroy reapers?

IF, it's an hallucination, who knows? Likely, just to see if he'd actually go through with it. To see if he could be convinced not to.

[killnoob]

byne wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Why the hell would people even consider this a viable theory?

If Shepard's hallucinating/indoctrinated, why would the space god gives him the option to destroy reapers?

I believe the general idea we've all pretty much settled on is that since its not actually happening, the 'Destroy' option is just Shepard keeping his/her resolve to destroy the Reapers, and choosing that is basically resisting indoctrination, hence why s/he only wakes up in that ending.

Not true.

The space god specifically told him he could destroy all reapers.

[Descedent]

killnoob wrote...

Why the hell would people even consider this a viable theory?

If Shepard's hallucinating/indoctrinated, why would the space god gives him the option to destroy reapers?

Hallucinations...... what's difficult to understand. Doesn't your mind imagine sometimes too??  Ever had a dream?

[Icinix]

byne wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Why the hell would people even consider this a viable theory?

If Shepard's hallucinating/indoctrinated, why would the space god gives him the option to destroy reapers?

I believe the general idea we've all pretty much settled on is that since its not actually happening, the 'Destroy' option is just Shepard keeping his/her resolve to destroy the Reapers, and choosing that is basically resisting indoctrination, hence why s/he only wakes up in that ending.

Because as the game states all through itself, hints at with Liaras vision, Eves gift, the tunnel in Tchunka - there is always a way out of the dark.

[anlk92]

byne wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Why the hell would people even consider this a viable theory?

If Shepard's hallucinating/indoctrinated, why would the space god gives him the option to destroy reapers?

I believe the general idea we've all pretty much settled on is that since its not actually happening, the 'Destroy' option is just Shepard keeping his/her resolve to destroy the Reapers, and choosing that is basically resisting indoctrination, hence why s/he only wakes up in that ending.

Not to mention that if we're to take the ending literally, Shepard being given that option makes even less sense.