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[Elenterx]

killnoob wrote...

Elenterx wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Why the hell would people even consider this a viable theory?

If Shepard's hallucinating/indoctrinated, why would the space god gives him the option to destroy reapers?

To make him give up/give in, obviously.

So....

He says to him: 'hey this button destroy the reapers but don't touch it you should just give up?'

You should really actually read the OP's post because it has been covered several times, if you don't understand the concept then don't post

I'm not saying 100% this theory is correct but it seems very possible with all the holes.

[Fledgey]

Pelleran wrote...

Icinix wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Just making sure.

And those still going on about the 4chan/GameFAQ "insights", all have stated that the issue with the ending is the leak, and that they purposely changed/half-***ed the ending due to the leaks.

So...why are the endings the same in all of the scripts as the endings we get in the game?  Read people. 

The ending choices may be real - but may have other options beside them.

Their presentation and execution may vary massively - also the script was not complete.

What if the entire last act was not in their....OR...*puts on extra large tin foil hat on top of already large tin foil hat* They leaked the leak deliberately to add validity to the endings we got? In fact - even the early demo mistake "Cerberus is indoctrinated, they're capable of anything."....there is a lot of fishyness going on here...

I actually thought about something like that, but trashed that thought again after some mulling over. However, with the tin foil hat being applied, one could probably assume that the endings we got were Bioware's response to the trend of data mining everything and leaking the **** out of everything. It is a great way to tell all the spoiler guys what they think about them. Anybody think about that for a moment?

This. This. This. All of this. I told my friend the "cerberus is indoctrinated" thing was definitely a deliberate leak. We've been under the process of indoctrination for a while now, guys. It's heartbreakingly brilliant. Another thing to note is an additional benefit of this line of thinking. Games have been moving more and more towards "gaming as a service" kind of thing as with the free to play games and AAA multiplayer titles. What better way to get people to come back to your game and stick with it than to release the true endings ~a month after release? Then everyone who bought the game comes back and it gets a second wave of hype to ride, encouraging more people to buy it. IT'S ALL TOO BRILLIANT. I CAN'T TAKE IT.

Modifié par Fledgey, 14 mars 2012 - 03:10 .

[Earthborn_Shepard]

ahahahaha:

[Sparda Stonerule]

Syphirr wrote...

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

Syphirr wrote...

http://www.oxm.co.uk...before-release/

Stop right there.

http://www.gameranx....ies-conclusion/ 

Thanks for jumping in with that; avoided a lot of potential flaming.

Hey no problem, I figured it's best to diffuse the bad things if I can before they escalate. It's not like everyone can know every article out there about Mass Effect 3. It's still an interesting read.

[killnoob]

Descedent wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Why the hell would people even consider this a viable theory?

If Shepard's hallucinating/indoctrinated, why would the space god gives him the option to destroy reapers?

Hallucinations...... what's difficult to understand. Doesn't your mind imagine sometimes too??  Ever had a dream?

So he's lying on the ground, literally sleeping when the galaxy getting torn to pieces?

[C Trayne]

i have a question... it may have been answered here but I dont really want to go through 400 pages of forum at 3 am... sorry
let me first say that i too find the endings atrocious and would love for this theory to be true... that being said i feel i must play devils advocate here to ask this

The one thing that strikes me odd about this theory is if shepard was being indoctrinated and this was all going on inside shepards head why did he need to see or why did the reapers need to portray the mass relays being destroyed??? I feel as though it would have had the exact same effect if the blast just jumped from system to system destroying/controlling/synthesizing everything in them... IDK just seems odd they would show the relays being destroyed. Maybe they just wanted more destruction and depression idk

[Monochrome Wench]

killnoob wrote...

Why the hell would people even consider this a viable theory?

If Shepard's hallucinating/indoctrinated, why would the space god gives him the option to destroy reapers?

Because the Space God is Shepards subconcious being manipulated by the Reapers. If Shepard has enough willpower Shepard can 'destroy the reapers' and break out of it.

[Syphirr]

killnoob wrote...

Elenterx wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Why the hell would people even consider this a viable theory?

If Shepard's hallucinating/indoctrinated, why would the space god gives him the option to destroy reapers?

To make him give up/give in, obviously.

So....

He says to him: 'hey this button destroy the reapers but don't touch it you should just give up?'

If you'd read everything that this community has put together, you'd get it. I'll try to be brief:

Shepard is faced with 3 options (none of these will amount to any physcial event, they are in his mind) 
The child strongly pushes shepard towards the other two options of synergy and control, because these are the mental-physical representation of a successful indoctrination. The third option is there so that shepard can believe the child is being sincere, at the same time the child makes it clear that this would be the wrong route to take, also symbolised by the red "renegade" colouring. Another thing that I don't think people have touched on, shepard gets these flashes of seeing the illusive man and anderson performing the two actions. To me that further re-enforces the dream like state; he's imagining what they would have done,

[Elenterx]

killnoob wrote...

Descedent wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Why the hell would people even consider this a viable theory?

If Shepard's hallucinating/indoctrinated, why would the space god gives him the option to destroy reapers?

Hallucinations...... what's difficult to understand. Doesn't your mind imagine sometimes too??  Ever had a dream?

So he's lying on the ground, literally sleeping when the galaxy getting torn to pieces?

See I don't understand why you just don't read the OP's post, I know it's long but it explains it plain and simple/

[cerberus1701]

killnoob wrote...

Descedent wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Why the hell would people even consider this a viable theory?

If Shepard's hallucinating/indoctrinated, why would the space god gives him the option to destroy reapers?

Hallucinations...... what's difficult to understand. Doesn't your mind imagine sometimes too??  Ever had a dream?

So he's lying on the ground, literally sleeping when the galaxy getting torn to pieces?

Or, you know, concussed, and out cold from the explosion.

LOL. Love that comment though...like he decided to go on break.

[ArkkAngel007]

Monochrome Wench wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Why the hell would people even consider this a viable theory?

If Shepard's hallucinating/indoctrinated, why would the space god gives him the option to destroy reapers?

Because the Space God is Shepards subconcious being manipulated by the Reapers. If Shepard has enough willpower Shepard can 'destroy the reapers' and break out of it.

Wow, I haven't seen anyone else run with the child being Shep's subconcious theory in a long while.  Glad to see it.

[Syphirr]

C Trayne wrote...

i have a question... it may have been answered here but I dont really want to go through 400 pages of forum at 3 am... sorry
let me first say that i too find the endings atrocious and would love for this theory to be true... that being said i feel i must play devils advocate here to ask this

The one thing that strikes me odd about this theory is if shepard was being indoctrinated and this was all going on inside shepards head why did he need to see or why did the reapers need to portray the mass relays being destroyed??? I feel as though it would have had the exact same effect if the blast just jumped from system to system destroying/controlling/synthesizing everything in them... IDK just seems odd they would show the relays being destroyed. Maybe they just wanted more destruction and depression idk

The images of the resulting chaos and the normandy crashing is literally shepard dreaming about what his actions have manifested into.

[Gordulan]

killnoob wrote...

byne wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Why the hell would people even consider this a viable theory?

If Shepard's hallucinating/indoctrinated, why would the space god gives him the option to destroy reapers?

I believe the general idea we've all pretty much settled on is that since its not actually happening, the 'Destroy' option is just Shepard keeping his/her resolve to destroy the Reapers, and choosing that is basically resisting indoctrination, hence why s/he only wakes up in that ending.

Not true.

The space god specifically told him he could destroy all reapers.

Yes, and all other synthetic life, pointing out that Shep's also partly Synthetic, and that it would shut down his synth. bits. Not to mention that one of your party members is synthetic, and there's even more on the line if you united the geth and quarians. So, the game indirectly tells you not to destroy the reapers, that control and synthesis are the better options.

[HairyMadDog1010]

The general thought is.

It is all in his head and he never got up from being blasted by harby.

Controll/Synth Is shep losing his will by compromising opening him up to indoctrination (Supported by shep having TIm's eyes a moment before disolving).

Controll is shep staying resolute by killing the reapers thus breaking the reapers attempts of controll. supported by the fact that shep only wakes up is distroy.

Modifié par HairyMadDog1010, 14 mars 2012 - 03:13 .

[Syphirr]

HairyMadDog1010 wrote...

The general thought is.

It is all in his head and he never got up from being blasted by harby.

Controll/Synth Is shep losing his will by compromising opening him up to indoctrination (Supported by shep having TIm's eyes a moment before disolving).

Controll is shep staying resolute by killing the reapers thus breaking the reapers attempts of controll. supported by the fact that shep only wakes up is distroy.

Pretty much this.

[ArkkAngel007]

C Trayne wrote...

i have a question... it may have been answered here but I dont really want to go through 400 pages of forum at 3 am... sorry
let me first say that i too find the endings atrocious and would love for this theory to be true... that being said i feel i must play devils advocate here to ask this

The one thing that strikes me odd about this theory is if shepard was being indoctrinated and this was all going on inside shepards head why did he need to see or why did the reapers need to portray the mass relays being destroyed??? I feel as though it would have had the exact same effect if the blast just jumped from system to system destroying/controlling/synthesizing everything in them... IDK just seems odd they would show the relays being destroyed. Maybe they just wanted more destruction and depression idk

It's Shep's mind formulating a closure, just like with the Normandy and his squad mates.  In Synthesis, Shep would expect to see Joker and EDI happy together, and no matter what would want to see his/her LI alive and well.

[Icinix]

Fledgey wrote...

Pelleran wrote...

Icinix wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Just making sure.

And those still going on about the 4chan/GameFAQ "insights", all have stated that the issue with the ending is the leak, and that they purposely changed/half-***ed the ending due to the leaks.

So...why are the endings the same in all of the scripts as the endings we get in the game?  Read people. 

The ending choices may be real - but may have other options beside them.

Their presentation and execution may vary massively - also the script was not complete.

What if the entire last act was not in their....OR...*puts on extra large tin foil hat on top of already large tin foil hat* They leaked the leak deliberately to add validity to the endings we got? In fact - even the early demo mistake "Cerberus is indoctrinated, they're capable of anything."....there is a lot of fishyness going on here...

I actually thought about something like that, but trashed that thought again after some mulling over. However, with the tin foil hat being applied, one could probably assume that the endings we got were Bioware's response to the trend of data mining everything and leaking the **** out of everything. It is a great way to tell all the spoiler guys what they think about them. Anybody think about that for a moment?

This. This. This. All of this. I told my friend the "cerberus is indoctrinated" thing was definitely a deliberate leak. We've been under the process of indoctrination for a while now, guys. It's heartbreakingly brilliant. Another thing to note is an additional benefit of this line of thinking. Games have been moving more and more towards "gaming as a service" kind of thing as with the free to play games and AAA multiplayer titles. What better way to get people to come back to your game and stick with it than to release the true endings ~a month after release? Then everyone who bought the game comes back and it gets a second wave of hype to ride, encouraging more people to buy it. IT'S ALL TOO BRILLIANT. I CAN'T TAKE IT.

Yeah - thats my train of thought. When the leaks first came out - they seemed to massive to be deliberate- but two HUGE erroneous mistakes that revealed Cerberus motives and the endings. Must have been accident.

Now the game is out - and Cerberus ends up being at war with the Reapers because they've found a way to control the Reapers - and the dialogue about them being indoctrinated from SurKesh is gone.

I mean - its hugely crazy insane theory - but Mass Effect has always been about finding ways to engage with that interactive story medium. It seems crazy - but not impossible.

[Simodon]

anyone else wondering.. the crucible is the "weapon" to destroy the reaper and the citadel the final part to finish it.. so the reaper took the citadel to earth to protect it but when the crucible was docking with the citadel the reaper coudn't care less about it not one it trying to stop it wtf? ^^

[FrostByte-GER]

And are there some new news? Any proofs or disproofs from BioWare or fans?

[Syphirr]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

C Trayne wrote...

i have a question... it may have been answered here but I dont really want to go through 400 pages of forum at 3 am... sorry
let me first say that i too find the endings atrocious and would love for this theory to be true... that being said i feel i must play devils advocate here to ask this

The one thing that strikes me odd about this theory is if shepard was being indoctrinated and this was all going on inside shepards head why did he need to see or why did the reapers need to portray the mass relays being destroyed??? I feel as though it would have had the exact same effect if the blast just jumped from system to system destroying/controlling/synthesizing everything in them... IDK just seems odd they would show the relays being destroyed. Maybe they just wanted more destruction and depression idk

It's Shep's mind formulating a closure, just like with the Normandy and his squad mates.  In Synthesis, Shep would expect to see Joker and EDI happy together, and no matter what would want to see his/her LI alive and well.

This is especially reinforced by the paradise-like appearance of the planet they crash on, the fact it has a beach and that several characters repeatedly mention retiring to a beach when it's all over.

Modifié par Syphirr, 14 mars 2012 - 03:17 .

[Demoman92]

I'm not sure if this was discussed before, but when you get up, all bloody and battered, the reaper that was just destroying and killing everything, that was running towards the "light", just left. Flew away. Why did he do so?

[C Trayne]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

C Trayne wrote...

i have a question... it may have been answered here but I dont really want to go through 400 pages of forum at 3 am... sorry
let me first say that i too find the endings atrocious and would love for this theory to be true... that being said i feel i must play devils advocate here to ask this

The one thing that strikes me odd about this theory is if shepard was being indoctrinated and this was all going on inside shepards head why did he need to see or why did the reapers need to portray the mass relays being destroyed??? I feel as though it would have had the exact same effect if the blast just jumped from system to system destroying/controlling/synthesizing everything in them... IDK just seems odd they would show the relays being destroyed. Maybe they just wanted more destruction and depression idk

It's Shep's mind formulating a closure, just like with the Normandy and his squad mates.  In Synthesis, Shep would expect to see Joker and EDI happy together, and no matter what would want to see his/her LI alive and well.

I can accept that.... but if he wnats closure in his mind why would he want to see the relays destroyed?  If he wants to see his crew safe wouldn't he want to see the rest of the species safe? B/c if the relays are destroyed they're all pretty much screwed...

[Noob451]

killnoob wrote...

Descedent wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Why the hell would people even consider this a viable theory?

If Shepard's hallucinating/indoctrinated, why would the space god gives him the option to destroy reapers?

Hallucinations...... what's difficult to understand. Doesn't your mind imagine sometimes too??  Ever had a dream?

So he's lying on the ground, literally sleeping when the galaxy getting torn to pieces?

no, he's knocked out, literaly unconscious.

[anlk92]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

ahahahaha:

The song perfectly represents my feelings until 00:32. The rest is unnecessarily rude though.

Modifié par anlk92, 14 mars 2012 - 03:23 .

[Noob451]

HairyMadDog1010 wrote...

The general thought is.

It is all in his head and he never got up from being blasted by harby.

Controll/Synth Is shep losing his will by compromising opening him up to indoctrination (Supported by shep having TIm's eyes a moment before disolving).

Controll is shep staying resolute by killing the reapers thus breaking the reapers attempts of controll. supported by the fact that shep only wakes up is distroy.

you mean destroy is shepard staying resolute?