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[Descedent]

anlk92 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

ahahahaha:

The song perfectly represents my feelings until 00:32. The rest is unnecessaryly rude though.

my thoughts exactly. I turned it off. 

[cheinara2]

The option to kill the reapers had to be there - it was what the entire galaxy was ramping up for. If that wasn't even a choice, Shepard probably would've woken up sooner after his/her subconscious goes "<_

[Pelleran]

Icinix wrote...

Fledgey wrote...

Pelleran wrote...

Icinix wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Just making sure.

And those still going on about the 4chan/GameFAQ "insights", all have stated that the issue with the ending is the leak, and that they purposely changed/half-***ed the ending due to the leaks.

So...why are the endings the same in all of the scripts as the endings we get in the game?  Read people. 

The ending choices may be real - but may have other options beside them.

Their presentation and execution may vary massively - also the script was not complete.

What if the entire last act was not in their....OR...*puts on extra large tin foil hat on top of already large tin foil hat* They leaked the leak deliberately to add validity to the endings we got? In fact - even the early demo mistake "Cerberus is indoctrinated, they're capable of anything."....there is a lot of fishyness going on here...

I actually thought about something like that, but trashed that thought again after some mulling over. However, with the tin foil hat being applied, one could probably assume that the endings we got were Bioware's response to the trend of data mining everything and leaking the **** out of everything. It is a great way to tell all the spoiler guys what they think about them. Anybody think about that for a moment?

This. This. This. All of this. I told my friend the "cerberus is indoctrinated" thing was definitely a deliberate leak. We've been under the process of indoctrination for a while now, guys. It's heartbreakingly brilliant. Another thing to note is an additional benefit of this line of thinking. Games have been moving more and more towards "gaming as a service" kind of thing as with the free to play games and AAA multiplayer titles. What better way to get people to come back to your game and stick with it than to release the true endings ~a month after release? Then everyone who bought the game comes back and it gets a second wave of hype to ride, encouraging more people to buy it. IT'S ALL TOO BRILLIANT. I CAN'T TAKE IT.

Yeah - thats my train of thought. When the leaks first came out - they seemed to massive to be deliberate- but two HUGE erroneous mistakes that revealed Cerberus motives and the endings. Must have been accident.

Now the game is out - and Cerberus ends up being at war with the Reapers because they've found a way to control the Reapers - and the dialogue about them being indoctrinated from SurKesh is gone.

I mean - its hugely crazy insane theory - but Mass Effect has always been about finding ways to engage with that interactive story medium. It seems crazy - but not impossible.

If that turns out to be true, I will actually make myself a tinfoil hat, wear it, take a picture and send it to Bioware with a comment like "I knew this was it".

Jokes aside, the theme with gaming as a service... We get so much as a service as of now, including Software as a Service. Why should there not be Gameplay as a Service as Fledgey wrote... We might actually see a precedence coming...

[Fledgey]

Simodon wrote...

anyone else wondering.. the crucible is the "weapon" to destroy the reaper and the citadel the final part to finish it.. so the reaper took the citadel to earth to protect it but when the crucible was docking with the citadel the reaper coudn't care less about it not one it trying to stop it wtf? ^^

Did you not see the giant space battle? This part is real.

[killnoob]

Is it just me, or does the entire ending sequence not feel like it fits in with the overall theme of the ME universe? It just feels.... off. I cant really describe it.

It seems otherworldly and kind of unfocused.

And when you talk to TIM, you get those weird black things at the edges of the screen.


That's TIM Trying to control Shepard to shoot Anderson. Thought that wouldve been pretty clear.

I am of the opinion that once reaching the Citadel, severely wounded, and losing blood, Shepard hallucinated most of the ending sequence.

And bioware made us play this dream squence because....?

It would explain why the kid was there.

The weird blackness when TIM tried to control you and you tried to fight it could be Shepard fighting against blood loss and trying not to pass out (hence the darkening around the edges of the screen)

Sounds like grasping straws..

It explains how even the crew who were wounded with you near the portal in London ended up on the Normandy, and even why the Normandy was leaving Earth in the first place, its because Shepard isnt thinking clearly, and these are just the images dreamed up by a deteriorating brain.

Everything occuring in the story requires some kind of purpose, similar to how people make movies. Mass Effect 3 series has always been in present, and focused on what's happening now. Why would the ending suddenly got bogused up into dream sequence. Ever imagine how out of place that would be if you place ME 3 alongside other 2 installments?

Also, there is a likelyhood that having spent so much time around Reapers, Shepard is slightly indoctrinated. The Synthesis ending really doesnt make much sense, other than the fact that the little kid seems to think it is the best option. We never get an explanation on how jumping into a beam of energy that kills us will do anything like what it is said it will do.

The Reapers used Shepard's slight indoctrination and confused state as part of a last ditch effort to get Shepard to take himself out of the picture, since they knew that if they didnt do so, Shepard was about to win.

If the reapers want to confuse him, they'd confusing him with which console does what, and have him accidentally wasted his lives trying to control the reapers when he wants to destroy them.

Or better yet, don't tell him what to do.  Shepard wouldn't have a goddamn clue how the crucible works or what options he has if the space god didn't tell him'

tl;dr blood loss leads to reaper victory

Hallucination makes the most sense, in my humble opinion.

Maybe Bioware will release a DLC where it turns out the horrible endings were all just a hallucination that you experienced after you got knocked unconscious by Harbinger while heading towards the portal thingy, and then you can go on to have endings that actually make sense.

Worst marketing strat ever.
Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

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[Syphirr]

C Trayne wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

C Trayne wrote...

i have a question... it may have been answered here but I dont really want to go through 400 pages of forum at 3 am... sorry
let me first say that i too find the endings atrocious and would love for this theory to be true... that being said i feel i must play devils advocate here to ask this

The one thing that strikes me odd about this theory is if shepard was being indoctrinated and this was all going on inside shepards head why did he need to see or why did the reapers need to portray the mass relays being destroyed??? I feel as though it would have had the exact same effect if the blast just jumped from system to system destroying/controlling/synthesizing everything in them... IDK just seems odd they would show the relays being destroyed. Maybe they just wanted more destruction and depression idk

It's Shep's mind formulating a closure, just like with the Normandy and his squad mates.  In Synthesis, Shep would expect to see Joker and EDI happy together, and no matter what would want to see his/her LI alive and well.

I can accept that.... but if he wnats closure in his mind why would he want to see the relays destroyed?  If he wants to see his crew safe wouldn't he want to see the rest of the species safe? B/c if the relays are destroyed they're all pretty much screwed...

Because the child firmly states that the relays will all be destroyed, this is again probably to make shpard feel the options are genuine, and that his decisions really do carry a weight for the galaxy.

[killnoob]

Stupid colour format.

Modifié par killnoob, 14 mars 2012 - 03:21 .

[Monochrome Wench]

C Trayne wrote...

i have a question... it may have been answered here but I dont really want to go through 400 pages of forum at 3 am... sorry
let me first say that i too find the endings atrocious and would love for this theory to be true... that being said i feel i must play devils advocate here to ask this

The one thing that strikes me odd about this theory is if shepard was being indoctrinated and this was all going on inside shepards head why did he need to see or why did the reapers need to portray the mass relays being destroyed??? I feel as though it would have had the exact same effect if the blast just jumped from system to system destroying/controlling/synthesizing everything in them... IDK just seems odd they would show the relays being destroyed. Maybe they just wanted more destruction and depression idk

Ok it can work like this.

If controlling the Reapers Shepard should have the ability to get them to create replacement relays. The reapers will save all civilizations...

In synthesis the Reapers still exist and 'might' want to repair the damage and recreate the relays. Alternatively all the new biosynthetics may not need the relays desperately anymore. One of the issues with destruciton of the relays is what happens to all the stranded ships in Sol. Who knows what their physiology is like. Would Biosynthetic Turians and Quarians still have the dextro food issue anymore? Any perceived issue for organics may not be an issue for Biosynthetics. Hell if the child is to be believed it might even be possible to just ask the reapers for help. Everyone is the same thing... plants... people...reapers... all biosynthetics. There should no longer be any reaper predjudice. Asking reapers for help should be viable. The reapers will save all civilizations...

In the destroy ending, everyone is ****ed. There is almost no hope of survival. Relays gone, most populated planets in ruins. Significant portion of the galaxies military might is suck in Sol. People will die. Lots of people will die. Its not going to be possible to fix the infrastructure issues without some external extra power. No reapers... no one understands how to build relays... everyone doomed.

Modifié par Monochrome Wench, 14 mars 2012 - 03:21 .

[prag16]

C Trayne wrote...

i have a question... it may have been answered here but I dont really want to go through 400 pages of forum at 3 am... sorry
let me first say that i too find the endings atrocious and would love for this theory to be true... that being said i feel i must play devils advocate here to ask this

The one thing that strikes me odd about this theory is if shepard was being indoctrinated and this was all going on inside shepards head why did he need to see or why did the reapers need to portray the mass relays being destroyed??? I feel as though it would have had the exact same effect if the blast just jumped from system to system destroying/controlling/synthesizing everything in them... IDK just seems odd they would show the relays being destroyed. Maybe they just wanted more destruction and depression idk

Simple.  Harbinger is trying to make the destroy option sound like the worst option.  All part of the attempted indoctrination.

[Fledgey]

C Trayne wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

C Trayne wrote...

i have a question... it may have been answered here but I dont really want to go through 400 pages of forum at 3 am... sorry
let me first say that i too find the endings atrocious and would love for this theory to be true... that being said i feel i must play devils advocate here to ask this

The one thing that strikes me odd about this theory is if shepard was being indoctrinated and this was all going on inside shepards head why did he need to see or why did the reapers need to portray the mass relays being destroyed??? I feel as though it would have had the exact same effect if the blast just jumped from system to system destroying/controlling/synthesizing everything in them... IDK just seems odd they would show the relays being destroyed. Maybe they just wanted more destruction and depression idk

It's Shep's mind formulating a closure, just like with the Normandy and his squad mates.  In Synthesis, Shep would expect to see Joker and EDI happy together, and no matter what would want to see his/her LI alive and well.

I can accept that.... but if he wnats closure in his mind why would he want to see the relays destroyed?  If he wants to see his crew safe wouldn't he want to see the rest of the species safe? B/c if the relays are destroyed they're all pretty much screwed...

Nothing else can threaten their peaceful existance because space travel has been all but eliminated.

[ArkkAngel007]

C Trayne wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

C Trayne wrote...

i have a question... it may have been answered here but I dont really want to go through 400 pages of forum at 3 am... sorry
let me first say that i too find the endings atrocious and would love for this theory to be true... that being said i feel i must play devils advocate here to ask this

The one thing that strikes me odd about this theory is if shepard was being indoctrinated and this was all going on inside shepards head why did he need to see or why did the reapers need to portray the mass relays being destroyed??? I feel as though it would have had the exact same effect if the blast just jumped from system to system destroying/controlling/synthesizing everything in them... IDK just seems odd they would show the relays being destroyed. Maybe they just wanted more destruction and depression idk

It's Shep's mind formulating a closure, just like with the Normandy and his squad mates.  In Synthesis, Shep would expect to see Joker and EDI happy together, and no matter what would want to see his/her LI alive and well.

I can accept that.... but if he wnats closure in his mind why would he want to see the relays destroyed?  If he wants to see his crew safe wouldn't he want to see the rest of the species safe? B/c if the relays are destroyed they're all pretty much screwed...

It's what Shep was told that would happen.  You have to remember that everything that is happening is taking something from either Shepard's past throughout the games or from the Reaper-held subconscience.

[MatthewGold]

In the first Child Dream, the oily shadows and voices aren't there, but there is clearly a sort of laughing in the background, which sounds childish in tone.
There's a Reaper sound and a red glow as if a Reaper fired a laser, and the kid grabs his head as if in fear or pain, then runs away.
After that, the laughter turns into what sounds like a panicked sob.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

920103db wrote...

Of course it's a allucination, this is the true ending:

Better than the actual one.

[HairyMadDog1010]

Noob451 wrote...

HairyMadDog1010 wrote...

The general thought is.

It is all in his head and he never got up from being blasted by harby.

Controll/Synth Is shep losing his will by compromising opening him up to indoctrination (Supported by shep having TIm's eyes a moment before disolving).

Controll is shep staying resolute by killing the reapers thus breaking the reapers attempts of controll. supported by the fact that shep only wakes up is distroy.

you mean destroy is shepard staying resolute?

Yes.

[cheinara2]

simfamSP wrote...

Because they wanted to avoid the scenario of

"What does THIS button do?"

*Shepard sees the red glowy thing*

Shepard: What is that?
Catalyst: What?
Shepard: That!
Catalyst: It is of no importance human...
Shepard: ....
Catalyst: ....
Shepard: BULL- <_<
Catalyst: RELEASING CONTROL

LOL

[Simodon]

Fledgey wrote...

Simodon wrote...

anyone else wondering.. the crucible is the "weapon" to destroy the reaper and the citadel the final part to finish it.. so the reaper took the citadel to earth to protect it but when the crucible was docking with the citadel the reaper coudn't care less about it not one it trying to stop it wtf? ^^

Did you not see the giant space battle? This part is real.

i believe thats real the battle and stuff.. but when your up with the spacekid you can see the reaper flying outside killing ships but none trys to stop the crucible or anything or doing anything while it still about to dock to the citadel

[killnoob]

Syphirr wrote...

C Trayne wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

C Trayne wrote...

i have a question... it may have been answered here but I dont really want to go through 400 pages of forum at 3 am... sorry
let me first say that i too find the endings atrocious and would love for this theory to be true... that being said i feel i must play devils advocate here to ask this

The one thing that strikes me odd about this theory is if shepard was being indoctrinated and this was all going on inside shepards head why did he need to see or why did the reapers need to portray the mass relays being destroyed??? I feel as though it would have had the exact same effect if the blast just jumped from system to system destroying/controlling/synthesizing everything in them... IDK just seems odd they would show the relays being destroyed. Maybe they just wanted more destruction and depression idk

It's Shep's mind formulating a closure, just like with the Normandy and his squad mates.  In Synthesis, Shep would expect to see Joker and EDI happy together, and no matter what would want to see his/her LI alive and well.

I can accept that.... but if he wnats closure in his mind why would he want to see the relays destroyed?  If he wants to see his crew safe wouldn't he want to see the rest of the species safe? B/c if the relays are destroyed they're all pretty much screwed...

Because the child firmly states that the relays will all be destroyed, this is again probably to make shpard feel the options are genuine, and that his decisions really do carry a weight for the galaxy.

That's called "grasping straws".

His decision would've made a impact whether or not if the child told him about the relays.
They're just about to destroy the reapers...

[Bobrzy]

killnoob wrote...

Elenterx wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Why the hell would people even consider this a viable theory?

If Shepard's hallucinating/indoctrinated, why would the space god gives him the option to destroy reapers?

To make him give up/give in, obviously.

So....

He says to him: 'hey this button destroy the reapers but don't touch it you should just give up?'

Shepard is unique. Even Reapers can't break him as they did with lesser people. That's why they give him a choice, and make the ultimately good choice seem as the most evil one (i fell for that, i completely abandoned that one in my first playthrough, it seemed so wrong), so Shepard, choosing other possibilities ON HIS OWN, with his at this point barely-free will would just give in to the Indoctrination. Why struggle against powerfull Shepard, why spend time to just TRY to break him, when you can twist the facts, so he chooses to obey on his own?

Illusive Man did that in ME2. And i have a good reason to believe Harbinger and his metal companions are more smarter than him.

[killnoob]

cheinara2 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

Because they wanted to avoid the scenario of

"What does THIS button do?"

*Shepard sees the red glowy thing*

Shepard: What is that?
Catalyst: What?
Shepard: That!
Catalyst: It is of no importance human...
Shepard: ....
Catalyst: ....
Shepard: BULL- <_<
Catalyst: RELEASING CONTROL

LOL

Thank god there are people who actually think clearly.

[Pelleran]

killnoob wrote...

Is it just me, or does the entire ending sequence not feel like it fits in with the overall theme of the ME universe? It just feels.... off. I cant really describe it.

It seems otherworldly and kind of unfocused.

And when you talk to TIM, you get those weird black things at the edges of the screen.


That's TIM Trying to control Shepard to shoot Anderson. Thought that wouldve been pretty clear.

I am of the opinion that once reaching the Citadel, severely wounded, and losing blood, Shepard hallucinated most of the ending sequence.

And bioware made us play this dream squence because....?

It would explain why the kid was there.

The weird blackness when TIM tried to control you and you tried to fight it could be Shepard fighting against blood loss and trying not to pass out (hence the darkening around the edges of the screen)

Sounds like grasping straws..

It explains how even the crew who were wounded with you near the portal in London ended up on the Normandy, and even why the Normandy was leaving Earth in the first place, its because Shepard isnt thinking clearly, and these are just the images dreamed up by a deteriorating brain.

Everything occuring in the story requires some kind of purpose, similar to how people make movies. Mass Effect 3 series has always been in present, and focused on what's happening now. Why would the ending suddenly got bogused up into dream sequence. Ever imagine how out of place that would be if you place ME 3 alongside other 2 installments?

Also, there is a likelyhood that having spent so much time around Reapers, Shepard is slightly indoctrinated. The Synthesis ending really doesnt make much sense, other than the fact that the little kid seems to think it is the best option. We never get an explanation on how jumping into a beam of energy that kills us will do anything like what it is said it will do.

The Reapers used Shepard's slight indoctrination and confused state as part of a last ditch effort to get Shepard to take himself out of the picture, since they knew that if they didnt do so, Shepard was about to win.

If the reapers want to confuse him, they'd confusing him with which console does what, and have him accidentally wasted his lives trying to control the reapers when he wants to destroy them.

Or better yet, don't tell him what to do.  Shepard wouldn't have a goddamn clue how the crucible works or what options he has if the space god didn't tell him'

tl;dr blood loss leads to reaper victory

Hallucination makes the most sense, in my humble opinion.

Maybe Bioware will release a DLC where it turns out the horrible endings were all just a hallucination that you experienced after you got knocked unconscious by Harbinger while heading towards the portal thingy, and then you can go on to have endings that actually make sense.

Worst marketing strat ever.
Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

I would like to link you to my post on my thoughts about the entire TIM stuff going on... I don't know if I am just wearing tinfoil again there... Just my two cents.

http://social.biowar...423/427#9923449

From "The Endings" onward.

[ArkkAngel007]

Pelleran wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Fledgey wrote...

Pelleran wrote...

Icinix wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

If that turns out to be true, I will actually make myself a tinfoil hat, wear it, take a picture and send it to Bioware with a comment like "I knew this was it".

Jokes aside, the theme with gaming as a service... We get so much as a service as of now, including Software as a Service. Why should there not be Gameplay as a Service as Fledgey wrote... We might actually see a precedence coming...

Ok, you guys are taking my post, and the 4chan post, out of context.  The post on 4chan was specific that it was in response to the leak, not a coiinciding action with the leak.

I'm not shooting down the additional ending.  I am a huge supporter of it.

But I don't want people to get too excited and get carried away with a random 4chan post that is using implausible reasoning and really just took the facebook post and GameFAQ post and mashed them together, adding in a little bit of extra seasoning to spice up the pitch.  

If it turns out true, awesome.  But the likelyhood is dismal.

[Fledgey]

killnoob wrote...

Syphirr wrote...

C Trayne wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

C Trayne wrote...

i have a question... it may have been answered here but I dont really want to go through 400 pages of forum at 3 am... sorry
let me first say that i too find the endings atrocious and would love for this theory to be true... that being said i feel i must play devils advocate here to ask this

The one thing that strikes me odd about this theory is if shepard was being indoctrinated and this was all going on inside shepards head why did he need to see or why did the reapers need to portray the mass relays being destroyed??? I feel as though it would have had the exact same effect if the blast just jumped from system to system destroying/controlling/synthesizing everything in them... IDK just seems odd they would show the relays being destroyed. Maybe they just wanted more destruction and depression idk

It's Shep's mind formulating a closure, just like with the Normandy and his squad mates.  In Synthesis, Shep would expect to see Joker and EDI happy together, and no matter what would want to see his/her LI alive and well.

I can accept that.... but if he wnats closure in his mind why would he want to see the relays destroyed?  If he wants to see his crew safe wouldn't he want to see the rest of the species safe? B/c if the relays are destroyed they're all pretty much screwed...

Because the child firmly states that the relays will all be destroyed, this is again probably to make shpard feel the options are genuine, and that his decisions really do carry a weight for the galaxy.

That's called "grasping straws".

His decision would've made a impact whether or not if the child told him about the relays.
They're just about to destroy the reapers...

They're called emergency induction ports. And every theory can be called "grasping at straws" if you don't believe it. This is simply theorizing.

[Little Lummo]

This one is pretty funny, the last clip was hilarious at 1:47 lol