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[ArkkAngel007]

After all this time, no Inception memes yet? BSN, you disappoint.

[kent80082006]

I've got a new perspective to proof that the current three choices scenario is just an indoctrination attempt

The crucible was originally designed without the citadel, the use of the citadel was implemented by a civilization of a later cycle as stated by the Prothean VI.

It's safe to presume that the use of catalyst alters the crucible's function to some extent, if the previous civilizations don't know about the god child, then the crucible is definitely not doing what it's supposed to do, that is, the function intended by original designers or by those who implemented the use of citadel. This somehow proofs that the current three choices are not the intended function of the crucible but proposal of the god child as an indoctrination attempt

Any thoughts?

Modifié par kent80082006, 14 mars 2012 - 03:34 .

[Pelleran]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Pelleran wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Fledgey wrote...

Pelleran wrote...

Icinix wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

If that turns out to be true, I will actually make myself a tinfoil hat, wear it, take a picture and send it to Bioware with a comment like "I knew this was it".

Jokes aside, the theme with gaming as a service... We get so much as a service as of now, including Software as a Service. Why should there not be Gameplay as a Service as Fledgey wrote... We might actually see a precedence coming...

Ok, you guys are taking my post, and the 4chan post, out of context.  The post on 4chan was specific that it was in response to the leak, not a coiinciding action with the leak.

I'm not shooting down the additional ending.  I am a huge supporter of it.

But I don't want people to get too excited and get carried away with a random 4chan post that is using implausible reasoning and really just took the facebook post and GameFAQ post and mashed them together, adding in a little bit of extra seasoning to spice up the pitch.  

If it turns out true, awesome.  But the likelyhood is dismal.

Don't get me wrong here, Arkk, I am not saying anything about your post. I just stated that I had the idea that this entire ending scenario was a plot by Bioware. As I also said, I already scrapped that thought, but for the purpose of tinfoilery, I added it to the discussion.

[AnthonyUK]

[quote]killnoob wrote...


Is it just me, or does the entire ending sequence not feel like it fits in with the overall theme of the ME universe? It just feels.... off. I cant really describe it.

It seems otherworldly and kind of unfocused.

And when you talk to TIM, you get those weird black things at the edges of the screen.


That's TIM Trying to control Shepard to shoot Anderson. Thought that wouldve been pretty clear.

I am of the opinion that once reaching the Citadel, severely wounded, and losing blood, Shepard hallucinated most of the ending sequence.

And bioware made us play this dream squence because....?

It would explain why the kid was there.

The weird blackness when TIM tried to control you and you tried to fight it could be Shepard fighting against blood loss and trying not to pass out (hence the darkening around the edges of the screen)

Sounds like grasping straws..

It explains how even the crew who were wounded with you near the portal in London ended up on the Normandy, and even why the Normandy was leaving Earth in the first place, its because Shepard isnt thinking clearly, and these are just the images dreamed up by a deteriorating brain.

Everything occuring in the story requires some kind of purpose, similar to how people make movies. Mass Effect 3 series has always been in present, and focused on what's happening now. Why would the ending suddenly got bogused up into dream sequence. Ever imagine how out of place that would be if you place ME 3 alongside other 2 installments?

Also, there is a likelyhood that having spent so much time around Reapers, Shepard is slightly indoctrinated. The Synthesis ending really doesnt make much sense, other than the fact that the little kid seems to think it is the best option. We never get an explanation on how jumping into a beam of energy that kills us will do anything like what it is said it will do.

The Reapers used Shepard's slight indoctrination and confused state as part of a last ditch effort to get Shepard to take himself out of the picture, since they knew that if they didnt do so, Shepard was about to win.

If the reapers want to confuse him, they'd confusing him with which console does what, and have him accidentally wasted his lives trying to control the reapers when he wants to destroy them.

Or better yet, don't tell him what to do.  Shepard wouldn't have a goddamn clue how the crucible works or what options he has if the space god didn't tell him'

tl;dr blood loss leads to reaper victory

Hallucination makes the most sense, in my humble opinion.

Maybe Bioware will release a DLC where it turns out the horrible endings were all just a hallucination that you experienced after you got knocked unconscious by Harbinger while heading towards the portal thingy, and then you can go on to have endings that actually make sense.

Worst marketing strat ever.
Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

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*the guy who posted in red*

why does shepard wake up in the rubble at the end of the destroy ending with the top amount of EMS? you explain that to me and we can totally write off this theory, that has never been explained away thus giving credence to this theory.

Modifié par AnthonyUK, 14 mars 2012 - 03:35 .

[byne]

Fledgey wrote...

killnoob wrote...

That's called "grasping straws".

His decision would've made a impact whether or not if the child told him about the relays.
They're just about to destroy the reapers...

They're called emergency induction ports. And every theory can be called "grasping at straws" if you don't believe it. This is simply theorizing.

Also, when Bioware gives us nothing but straws, I dont know what else he expects us to grasp.

[killnoob]

Bobrzy wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Elenterx wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Why the hell would people even consider this a viable theory?

If Shepard's hallucinating/indoctrinated, why would the space god gives him the option to destroy reapers?

To make him give up/give in, obviously.

So....

He says to him: 'hey this button destroy the reapers but don't touch it you should just give up?'

 That's why they give him a choice, and make the ultimately good choice seem as the most evil one

Play this two scenrio out in your head.

Scenrio 1

Shepard: Mannn where the hell am I? Looks like im in something big...

God Child: You're in the crucible, and you have now 3 options. You can control reapers, create synergy, or you can destroy them, which will destroy all that good synthetics. You don't really want that right?


Shepard: I'm okay with that.

God Child; .... WAIT NEVERMIND I TAKE THAT BACK DONT DO IT I DONT WANNA DIE


Scenrio 2:

Shepard: Mann where the hell am I?

God Child: I donno.  (Troll face)


-------------------------------

Get it?

If the purpose of indoctrination is to stop Shepard from killing the reapers, then it makes no sense why the reapers would plant a haullcination in his head which "guide' him towards destroy the reapers.

Also,

If he's indoctrinated, what makes you think choosing the destroy option will make him wake up?
And if that would happen, why would the space god "TELL HIM " about the destroy option? To help me wake up?

Srsly that make no sense.

Modifié par killnoob, 14 mars 2012 - 03:32 .

[ixcruz]

 Indoctrination codex entry: A Reaper's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies  or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe.  

A Reaper's "suggestions" - The three ending choices, it cannot force a decision, only suggest.

can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies - explains why Anderson is considered the renegade option and TIM as supposedly paragon. The Star Child makes out the Reapers are only trying to do whats best for the galaxy.

or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious (an irrational belief arising from ignorance or fear) awe - Shepard sees the Reaper AI as Star Child and instantly seems to trust it without question.

Modifié par ixcruz, 14 mars 2012 - 03:32 .

[killnoob]

ixcruz wrote...

 Indoctrination codex entry: A Reaper's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies  or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe.  

A Reaper's "suggestions" - The three ending choices, it cannot force a decision, only suggest.can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies - explains why Anderson is considered the renegade option and TIM as supposedly paragon. The Star Child makes out the Reapers are only trying to do whats best for the galaxy.or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious (an irrational belief arising from ignorance or fear) awe - Shepard sees the Reaper AI as Star Child and instantly seems to trust it without question.

So the reaper SUGGEST Shepard to destroy the reapers?

Riiight.

[ArkkAngel007]

byne wrote...

Fledgey wrote...

killnoob wrote...

That's called "grasping straws".

His decision would've made a impact whether or not if the child told him about the relays.
They're just about to destroy the reapers...

They're called emergency induction ports. And every theory can be called "grasping at straws" if you don't believe it. This is simply theorizing.

Also, when Bioware gives us nothing but straws, I dont know what else he expects us to grasp.

Eeemerrrrgencyy Inductiion Pooorts...it's allll about fitting it in the hole...port....

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 14 mars 2012 - 03:33 .

[Earthborn_Shepard]

I already said it and I'll say it again, if the indoctrination theory is NOT what BioWare had in mind, they managed to miss the most awesome explanation.

[killnoob]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

byne wrote...

Fledgey wrote...

killnoob wrote...

That's called "grasping straws".

His decision would've made a impact whether or not if the child told him about the relays.
They're just about to destroy the reapers...

They're called emergency induction ports. And every theory can be called "grasping at straws" if you don't believe it. This is simply theorizing.

Also, when Bioware gives us nothing but straws, I dont know what else he expects us to grasp.

Eeemerrrrgencyy Inductiion Pooorts...it's allll about fitting it in the riiight hole...

How about,

Let's not try to fill holes and demand a better ending from scratch?

Yes that's better.

Not likely to happen.

But better.

[byne]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

it's allll about fitting it in the riiight hole...

Man, you dont have to tell me abou-- wait, what were we talking about?

[HairyMadDog1010]

killnoob wrote...
Snip.

The general thought is.

It is all in his head and he never got up from being blasted by harby.

Controll/Synth Is shep losing his will by compromising opening him up to indoctrination (Supported by shep having TIm's eyes a moment before disolving).

Controll is shep staying resolute in killing the reapers thus breaking the reapers attempts of controll. supported by the fact that shep only wakes up in distroy.

Modifié par HairyMadDog1010, 14 mars 2012 - 03:35 .

[ArkkAngel007]

killnoob wrote...

ixcruz wrote...

 Indoctrination codex entry: A Reaper's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies  or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe.  

A Reaper's "suggestions" - The three ending choices, it cannot force a decision, only suggest.can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies - explains why Anderson is considered the renegade option and TIM as supposedly paragon. The Star Child makes out the Reapers are only trying to do whats best for the galaxy.or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious (an irrational belief arising from ignorance or fear) awe - Shepard sees the Reaper AI as Star Child and instantly seems to trust it without question.

So the reaper SUGGEST Shepard to destroy the reapers?

Riiight.

It discourages it though.  It pushes you towards the other two endings, continuously making excuses on why they would work and that Destroy wouldn't.

[njfluffy19]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Eeemerrrrgencyy Inductiion Pooorts...it's allll about fitting it in the hole...port....

... <- That was how my Shep looked when witnessing Tali's drunken behavior.

[killnoob]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I already said it and I'll say it again, if the indoctrination theory is NOT what BioWare had in mind, they managed to miss the most awesome explanation.

Naw,

the indoctrination theory make almost as little sense as the endings we have.

No theory will work unless the Cataylst is gone.

[byne]

killnoob wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I already said it and I'll say it again, if the indoctrination theory is NOT what BioWare had in mind, they managed to miss the most awesome explanation.

Naw,

the indoctrination theory make almost as little sense as the endings we have.

No theory will work unless the Cataylst is gone.

Coincidentally, according to the indoctrination theory, the catalyst kid is all just in your head, so he never actually existed.

[killnoob]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

ixcruz wrote...

 Indoctrination codex entry: A Reaper's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies  or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe.  

A Reaper's "suggestions" - The three ending choices, it cannot force a decision, only suggest.can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies - explains why Anderson is considered the renegade option and TIM as supposedly paragon. The Star Child makes out the Reapers are only trying to do whats best for the galaxy.or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious (an irrational belief arising from ignorance or fear) awe - Shepard sees the Reaper AI as Star Child and instantly seems to trust it without question.

So the reaper SUGGEST Shepard to destroy the reapers?

Riiight.

It discourages it though.  It pushes you towards the other two endings, continuously making excuses on why they would work and that Destroy wouldn't.

Continously?

More like:

God Child: Destroy option will also destroy good robts like the geth
SHepard: I choose the destroy option.
God Child: Ok go right ahead.

[Fledgey]

killnoob wrote...

Bobrzy wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Elenterx wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Why the hell would people even consider this a viable theory?

If Shepard's hallucinating/indoctrinated, why would the space god gives him the option to destroy reapers?

To make him give up/give in, obviously.

So....

He says to him: 'hey this button destroy the reapers but don't touch it you should just give up?'

 That's why they give him a choice, and make the ultimately good choice seem as the most evil one

Play this two scenrio out in your head.

Scenrio 1

Shepard: Mannn where the hell am I? Looks like im in something big...

God Child: You're in the crucible, and you have now 3 options. You can control reapers, create synergy, or you can destroy them, which will destroy all that good synthetics. You don't really want that right?


Shepard: I'm okay with that.

God Child; .... WAIT NEVERMIND I TAKE THAT BACK DONT DO IT I DONT WANNA DIE


Scenrio 2:

Shepard: Mann where the hell am I?

God Child: I donno.  (Troll face)


-------------------------------

Get it?

If the purpose of indoctrination is to stop Shepard from killing the reapers, then it makes no sense why the reapers would plant a haullcination in his head which "guide' him towards destroy the reapers.

Also,

If he's indoctrinated, what makes you think choosing the destroy option will make him wake up?
And if that would happen, why would the space god "TELL HIM " about the destroy option? To help me wake up?

Srsly that make no sense.

Did you ever seen inception? The ideas have to be coherent and consistent for your subconscious to accept it. Seeing as that option was the ultimate goal, shepard is more likely to argue and fight it off herself if the option she's been fighting for this whole time is mysteriously absent.

[Syphirr]

killnoob wrote...

ixcruz wrote...

 Indoctrination codex entry: A Reaper's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies  or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe.  

A Reaper's "suggestions" - The three ending choices, it cannot force a decision, only suggest.can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies - explains why Anderson is considered the renegade option and TIM as supposedly paragon. The Star Child makes out the Reapers are only trying to do whats best for the galaxy.or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious (an irrational belief arising from ignorance or fear) awe - Shepard sees the Reaper AI as Star Child and instantly seems to trust it without question.

So the reaper SUGGEST Shepard to destroy the reapers?

Riiight.

The child does everything in it's power to guide him AWAY from the destroy option. THE FACT IS: The destroy option is the only one that sees shepard wake up. If you can somehow explain that, then as others have said, we will all give up this theory.

[Elendstourist]

Little Lummo wrote...

This one is pretty funny, the last clip was hilarious at 1:47 lol

The scene in the car made me lol so hard.

I still hope BioWare will be like:

[ArkkAngel007]

byne wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

it's allll about fitting it in the riiight hole...

Man, you dont have to tell me abou-- wait, what were we talking about?

Eeeemergency Induction Ports.



Basically, as our friendly opposer has surmised, that it the straws are fitting into the proper ports.  The theory works very well with the events of the last 20-so minutes.

[Syphirr]

"Did you ever seen inception? The ideas have to be coherent and consistent for your subconscious to accept it. Seeing as that option was the ultimate goal, shepard is more likely to argue and fight it off herself if the option she's been fighting for this whole time is mysteriously absent."

A THOUSAND TIMES THIS

[killnoob]

byne wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I already said it and I'll say it again, if the indoctrination theory is NOT what BioWare had in mind, they managed to miss the most awesome explanation.

Naw,

the indoctrination theory make almost as little sense as the endings we have.

No theory will work unless the Cataylst is gone.

Coincidentally, according to the indoctrination theory, the catalyst kid is all just in your head, so he never actually existed.

And why would the kid be in here?

If Shepards indoctrinated, it means the reapers put him there.

And why would the kid give Shepard the option to destroy reapers if the reapers put him there?

I don't wanna be mean, but can you srsly connect the dots on your own please?

[Earthborn_Shepard]

I think the fact that Shepard still has the option to destroy the Reapers is just his own will. And even if it's not entirely making sense, this version still has like a thousand less plotholes than the "actual" endings.