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killnoob wrote...

Fledgey wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Syphirr wrote...



As so many of us have already asserted, Shepard is shown waking up amongst the rubble in London, on Earth. unless we bring more space magic into this, the 3 choices cannot physically have been real. You're either trolling, or just aren't taking the time to listen to what the comunity has pretty much reached consensus on. regardless, you're entitled to your opinion, there's just no need to act so aggressively with it. Just my opinion.

Exactly.

Those three choice are messed up.

So is the indoctrination theory.

The endings suck and no matter how hard you explain them they just dont make sense.

As for Shepard waking up in London, how do you get that idea?

All we saw was him waking up from a pile of rubble.

So, if he didn't wake up in London, I guess he just woke up in a pile of rubble being held down in space, in which no gravity exists. 

You're going to have to do better than that.

Whats clear is that while the pile of rubble is in London, its not where Shepard was initially shot at by Harbinger. The area around the Conduit is devoid of any buildings or rubble - it is a ruined patch of ground. Yet when Shepard wakes up, he is very clear on a massive pile of rubble with pipes and brickwork. Thus we can assume that this is not the same place he collapsed when he was shot at by Harbinger, which is what this thead's theory relies on.

It doesn't rely on this, it's simply our best guess. It's entirely possible that the dream sequence starts earlier and just comes to a pitch after the harby beam. That would explain why the conduit sequence mirrors the first game so exactly.

Actually no.

Shepard started hallucinating when the Defense committee got blown up.
Everything he did afterward all happened in his head.

It could of started when he activated the beacon on eden prime.

[Candidate 88766]

Monochrome Wench wrote...

The Sanctuary mission states that Adrenaline can be used as a catalyst in indoctrination. Shepard is running down the hill dodging harbys red beam of death attempting to reach the conduit. Shepard gets knocked out cold by the red beam of death. Shepards body is full of adrenaline leaving them in a very very suseptable state for indoctrination. Harbinger being only a few hundreds metres away attempts to fully indoctrinate Shepard. Success or failure is your, the players, choice. You just don't know it.

Two things.

Firstly, if a person running high with adrenaline can indoctrinated within minutes just by being close to the Reapers, then virtually every single human would have been indoctrinated on day one of the invasion. Giant machines from space have just landed on your planet and are obliterating your cities - to a normal person, that is going to generate a serious amount of adrenaline. Given that there are multiple Reapers in each city, the vast majority of the population would be indoctrinated in no time at all. This is not the case - the people brought to the prison areas set up by the Reapers are described as still having free will in most cases as they commit acts of kindness to each other.

Secondly, indoctrination is not something you can simply overcome. The ME3 codex states that it is achieved through 'electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal method'. You cannot overcome these forces with willpower. You can't simply choose to stop the signals entering your mind.  

[redBadger14]

killnoob wrote...

Fledgey wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Syphirr wrote...



As so many of us have already asserted, Shepard is shown waking up amongst the rubble in London, on Earth. unless we bring more space magic into this, the 3 choices cannot physically have been real. You're either trolling, or just aren't taking the time to listen to what the comunity has pretty much reached consensus on. regardless, you're entitled to your opinion, there's just no need to act so aggressively with it. Just my opinion.

Exactly.

Those three choice are messed up.

So is the indoctrination theory.

The endings suck and no matter how hard you explain them they just dont make sense.

As for Shepard waking up in London, how do you get that idea?

All we saw was him waking up from a pile of rubble.

So, if he didn't wake up in London, I guess he just woke up in a pile of rubble being held down in space, in which no gravity exists. 

You're going to have to do better than that.

Whats clear is that while the pile of rubble is in London, its not where Shepard was initially shot at by Harbinger. The area around the Conduit is devoid of any buildings or rubble - it is a ruined patch of ground. Yet when Shepard wakes up, he is very clear on a massive pile of rubble with pipes and brickwork. Thus we can assume that this is not the same place he collapsed when he was shot at by Harbinger, which is what this thead's theory relies on.

It doesn't rely on this, it's simply our best guess. It's entirely possible that the dream sequence starts earlier and just comes to a pitch after the harby beam. That would explain why the conduit sequence mirrors the first game so exactly.

Actually no.

Shepard started hallucinating when the Defense committee got blown up.
Everything he did afterward all happened in his head.

Now you're just trolling.

[EXMugamy]

The catalyst is Harbinger. It is the voice of the boy mixed, the Maleshep, Femshep + Harbinger. But one thing I did not understand until now. Anderson dies (in the dream) of Quaker way or you have to convince the TIM did not kill him? And when his friend shows with music to say that they died or survived?

[killnoob]

redBadger14 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Fledgey wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Syphirr wrote...



As so many of us have already asserted, Shepard is shown waking up amongst the rubble in London, on Earth. unless we bring more space magic into this, the 3 choices cannot physically have been real. You're either trolling, or just aren't taking the time to listen to what the comunity has pretty much reached consensus on. regardless, you're entitled to your opinion, there's just no need to act so aggressively with it. Just my opinion.

Exactly.

Those three choice are messed up.

So is the indoctrination theory.

The endings suck and no matter how hard you explain them they just dont make sense.

As for Shepard waking up in London, how do you get that idea?

All we saw was him waking up from a pile of rubble.

So, if he didn't wake up in London, I guess he just woke up in a pile of rubble being held down in space, in which no gravity exists. 

You're going to have to do better than that.

Whats clear is that while the pile of rubble is in London, its not where Shepard was initially shot at by Harbinger. The area around the Conduit is devoid of any buildings or rubble - it is a ruined patch of ground. Yet when Shepard wakes up, he is very clear on a massive pile of rubble with pipes and brickwork. Thus we can assume that this is not the same place he collapsed when he was shot at by Harbinger, which is what this thead's theory relies on.

It doesn't rely on this, it's simply our best guess. It's entirely possible that the dream sequence starts earlier and just comes to a pitch after the harby beam. That would explain why the conduit sequence mirrors the first game so exactly.

Actually no.

Shepard started hallucinating when the Defense committee got blown up.
Everything he did afterward all happened in his head.

Now you're just trolling.

Why?

How come my hallucination theory doesn't work, but yours do?
That's a giant explosion right there, but you think he could've just walked away?

Modifié par killnoob, 14 mars 2012 - 04:11 .

[byne]

killnoob wrote...


Actually no.

Shepard started hallucinating when the Defense committee got blown up.
Everything he did afterward all happened in his head.

But Shepard wasnt wearing her N7 armor at that point yet, silly.

[Rune-Chan]

Fascinating read, but too much has been read into it, and too much expectation on Bioware to be subtle where all evidence points to the contrary.

[Elscotto1989]

njfluffy19 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Fledgey wrote...

Also, why would, on the Control and Synthesis endings, Shepard's eyes become indoctrinated just like Illusive Man's and Sarens?

In case if you've missed the ending, Joker's eye are also glowing like the illusive man in the synthesis ending.

Just because you've got that eye dont mean your indoctrinated.

It means you're part synthetics.

I think he means the Blue eyes.....

And that's exactly what I mean.



4.15, Jokers eyes.

Is Joker also indoctrinated?

Please read. Are any husk eyes green? No. Are husk eyes blue? Yes. Were Saren's eyes blue? Yes. Were TIM's eyes blue? Yes. Joker's eyes are glowing because you merged synthetics with organics, not because he is "indoctrinated." How about you read the thread before posting.

nd if you look at his skin it gleams with underlying synthetics in that ending as well clearly not indoc'd lol

[Capeo]

cobnut wrote...

Killnoob, I think you are trolling us. Nobody could possibly be so ignorant and beside the point you pretend to be. You just didn't understand any of the arguments given to you and still blame the theory stupid. =.=

That's because the theory is stupid.  The game friggin' tells you outright you defeated the Reapers.  And people are so deluded that they think there is something more to it because they simply can't accept that ME just has subpar writers.

[Candidate 88766]

Fledgey wrote...
It doesn't rely on this, it's simply our best guess. It's entirely possible that the dream sequence starts earlier and just comes to a pitch after the harby beam. That would explain why the conduit sequence mirrors the first game so exactly.

If we start along this line of thought, where does it end?

Maybe Shepard was indoctrinated halfway into ME3. Maybe he was indoctrinated in ME2. Maybe the whole thing is a hallucination. 

The theory relies on there being a point in the story where things suddenly stop being real and start being an illusion, but the time most people have settled on (just after Harbinger shoots you) doesn't work. 

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 14 mars 2012 - 04:12 .

[Noob451]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Monochrome Wench wrote...

The Sanctuary mission states that Adrenaline can be used as a catalyst in indoctrination. Shepard is running down the hill dodging harbys red beam of death attempting to reach the conduit. Shepard gets knocked out cold by the red beam of death. Shepards body is full of adrenaline leaving them in a very very suseptable state for indoctrination. Harbinger being only a few hundreds metres away attempts to fully indoctrinate Shepard. Success or failure is your, the players, choice. You just don't know it.

Two things.

Firstly, if a person running high with adrenaline can indoctrinated within minutes just by being close to the Reapers, then virtually every single human would have been indoctrinated on day one of the invasion. Giant machines from space have just landed on your planet and are obliterating your cities - to a normal person, that is going to generate a serious amount of adrenaline. Given that there are multiple Reapers in each city, the vast majority of the population would be indoctrinated in no time at all. This is not the case - the people brought to the prison areas set up by the Reapers are described as still having free will in most cases as they commit acts of kindness to each other.

Secondly, indoctrination is not something you can simply overcome. The ME3 codex states that it is achieved through 'electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal method'. You cannot overcome these forces with willpower. You can't simply choose to stop the signals entering your mind.  

and if you read the novels, you will see that it can be resisted, hell grayson resisted for a very long time.

[Fledgey]

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Right.

Think about this.

How will Shepard know what options there are if not for the space kid?

And if the space kid is reapers attempt at indoctrination, why does he tell him about the destroy option?

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like i just said, the entire destroy option could be the part of shepard's mind that is still intact, and as said before the "space kid"  is shepard's mind giving him all the options before him. His mind has not been dominated yet, so why would the destroy option NOT be there?  and why did the kid try to make that option seem the least appealing?

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And how would Shepard know what options he's got, if the space kid is Shepards Mind?

Has he been inside the crucible before?

[/quote]

Also, even if we do not actually know what the Crucible does. We know what the three people who are primarily interacting with the Reapers would do.

1. We have Saren. He was all about the Synthesis. "The best of both worlds. The advantages of both. No disadvantages," or something along these lines in ME 1. Shepard knows that.

2. We have TIM. He was all about controlling the Reapers. He made that abundantly clear in his speeches and behaviour. In both, ME 2 and 3. Shepard knows that, too.

3. We have our Bruce Willis. Shepard wants to destroy the Reapers. In fact, that is the one thing that keeps him from bending over to the brute force the Reapers can exert.

So, even if he does not know what the Crucible is all about. These are the three options known to him. Although the following still bugs me...

[quote]Pelleran wrote...

(h) Lastly, there is the Synthesis option. This is an oddball in several ways. For one, this is what Saren proposed. What he believed in. Indoctrination or not, I think this is actually Saren's belief and not the whispers of Sovereign in his ears. However, unlike with the other two options, we are not shown Saren doing anything. This might be due to the fact that Saren is already dead and gone by that point. But if this is Shepard's hallucination, would it not make sense for him to associate the Synthesis option with Saren?[/quote]
[/quote]That would lead to issues for new players thinking that it was garrus or something, as well as having to create a model for him for that couple of second shot.

[kent80082006]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

kent80082006 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

kent80082006 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Shepard being the Catalyst would definately make a hundred percent more sense than that little brat. It would fit the actual meaning of the word, meaning Shep's ability to inspire and encourage people. All other civilisations just didn't have some kind of leader like that, so they perished.

The catalyst cannot be shepherd, the use of the catalyst was implemented
a few cycles ago and it has always been the citadel according to the
Prothean VI, just maybe without the god child in it

But apparently the Crucible has never been used before because the other cycles didn't finish it. So how would they know what the Catalyst actually is?

Because the blueprints were there all along! They never finished building it doesn't mean they never finished designing it.

The crucible was originally designed without the catalyst, the use of the citadel was implemented by a civilization of a cycle before the Protheans as stated by the Prothean VI, why would they add it to the blueprints if they don't know what it is? If they don't have any sort of magic crystal ball then there's no way they know about Shpeherd and naturally he can't be the catalyst. 

So if you'll agree with me on that I'd like to state a new perspective to view the ID theory.

It's safe to presume that the use of catalyst alters the crucible's function to some extent, if the previous civilizations don't know about the god child, then the crucible is definitely not doing what it's supposed to do, that is, the function intended by original designers or by those who implemented the use of citadel.

This somehow proofs that the current three choices are not the intended function of the crucible but proposal of the god child as an indoctrination attempt.

I agree that it fits to the indoctrination theory. But I still think Shepard could be the Catalyst. Remember, Hackett said that the Crucible wasn't firing, and only then Shepard acted and the whole thing started. The Catalyst allows the Crucible to work correctly.

Remember though, this all really didn't happen...it may be some subconscience message telling Shepard that he/she is the catalyst (would that be so surprising given what Shep accomplishes and changes in the galaxy and all the exposure to the Reapers and Prothean tech?).  

wait... so the one who included the catalyst in the blueprints of the crucible (who lives in a cycle before the Protheans) has forseen the comming of Shepherd tens of thousands of years later? That makes no sense!

[killnoob]

byne wrote...

killnoob wrote...


Actually no.

Shepard started hallucinating when the Defense committee got blown up.
Everything he did afterward all happened in his head.

But Shepard wasnt wearing her N7 armor at that point yet, silly.

He sure as hell wasn't wearing it in my ending.

I was wearing a completely different armor.

[Elendstourist]

Oh yeah, I was waiting for this the whole time. About every evening here in europe the tweets start. I am courious as to what they are posting this evening

[byne]

Capeo wrote...

cobnut wrote...

Killnoob, I think you are trolling us. Nobody could possibly be so ignorant and beside the point you pretend to be. You just didn't understand any of the arguments given to you and still blame the theory stupid. =.=

That's because the theory is stupid.  The game friggin' tells you outright you defeated the Reapers.  And people are so deluded that they think there is something more to it because they simply can't accept that ME just has subpar writers.

I still dont see why people are putting so much weight behind a fourth-wall breaking appeal to buy future DLC.

[mr.surv]

Ok another idea.

Why Anderson didn't open the arms of the citadel? He was at the console before Shep gets into the room.
!

[Noob451]

killnoob wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Fledgey wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Syphirr wrote...



As so many of us have already asserted, Shepard is shown waking up amongst the rubble in London, on Earth. unless we bring more space magic into this, the 3 choices cannot physically have been real. You're either trolling, or just aren't taking the time to listen to what the comunity has pretty much reached consensus on. regardless, you're entitled to your opinion, there's just no need to act so aggressively with it. Just my opinion.

Exactly.

Those three choice are messed up.

So is the indoctrination theory.

The endings suck and no matter how hard you explain them they just dont make sense.

As for Shepard waking up in London, how do you get that idea?

All we saw was him waking up from a pile of rubble.

So, if he didn't wake up in London, I guess he just woke up in a pile of rubble being held down in space, in which no gravity exists. 

You're going to have to do better than that.

Whats clear is that while the pile of rubble is in London, its not where Shepard was initially shot at by Harbinger. The area around the Conduit is devoid of any buildings or rubble - it is a ruined patch of ground. Yet when Shepard wakes up, he is very clear on a massive pile of rubble with pipes and brickwork. Thus we can assume that this is not the same place he collapsed when he was shot at by Harbinger, which is what this thead's theory relies on.

It doesn't rely on this, it's simply our best guess. It's entirely possible that the dream sequence starts earlier and just comes to a pitch after the harby beam. That would explain why the conduit sequence mirrors the first game so exactly.

Actually no.

Shepard started hallucinating when the Defense committee got blown up.
Everything he did afterward all happened in his head.

Now you're just trolling.

Why?

How come my hallucination theory doesn't work, but yours do?
That's a giant explosion right there, but you think he could've just walked away?

might have something to do with no evidence, or thought behind it.

kinda stops it from being a theory.

[HairyMadDog1010]

Dude jokers eyes are green not blue...... brb while i try to find the page with the eyes.

[njfluffy19]

Capeo wrote...

cobnut wrote...

Killnoob, I think you are trolling us. Nobody could possibly be so ignorant and beside the point you pretend to be. You just didn't understand any of the arguments given to you and still blame the theory stupid. =.=

That's because the theory is stupid.  The game friggin' tells you outright you defeated the Reapers.  And people are so deluded that they think there is something more to it because they simply can't accept that ME just has subpar writers.

[killnoob]

1. We have Saren. He was all about the Synthesis. "The best of both worlds. The advantages of both. No disadvantages," or something along these lines in ME 1. Shepard knows that.

2. We have TIM. He was all about controlling the Reapers. He made that abundantly clear in his speeches and behaviour. In both, ME 2 and 3. Shepard knows that, too.

3. We have our Bruce Willis. Shepard wants to destroy the Reapers. In fact, that is the one thing that keeps him from bending over to the brute force the Reapers can exert.

So, even if he does not know what the Crucible is all about. These are the three options known to him. Although the following still bugs me...

RIght.

And how does he suddenly know which console does what, and about the beam creating synergy?

[MatthewGold]

michael donahoe ‏ @CooTweetBro
I'm really pissed off people have spoiled that @masseffect 3 has an ending. OMG! IT ENDS? SPOILARZ!

Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@cootweetbro We've never said so~

[Wuyunk]

I've been gone about 12hrs, anyone willing to give me a quick update? I do not feel like reading through the last 60 pages lol.

Any other new twitter hints or mini breakthroughs we may have made?

[njfluffy19]

mr.surv wrote...

Ok another idea.

Why Anderson didn't open the arms of the citadel? He was at the console before Shep gets into the room.
!

He is computer illiterate. Old people often are.