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[Elendstourist]

MatthewGold wrote...

Michał Korniluk ‏ @MichaKorniluk
@BioEvilChris There are also people selling incomplete data telling us it's complete. Such people are bastards, aren't they?

Chris Priestly ‏ @BioEvilChris
@MichaKorniluk Good thing I don't know anyone like that.


Oh ho ho ho.

So either the ending is complete, or the DLC wont cost anything, right?

[Lemondish]

JulienJaden wrote...

Sheparded wrote...

https://twitter.com/...967731070799872

could this mean.....we are all right

One thing's for sure: If Bioware tells us, in the end, that they were just kidding and that there are no other endings or more details to come, they have to vastly improve security measures after statements like that. 

Or, at the very least, vastly reduce sales expectations for new games.

I was going MAJORLY outside by comfort zone with Origin, but only for this game. Unless what I hope (GAME THEME #4) comes to pass actually manifests itself, I don't think I'll be invested enough to care about any new content, ME related or otherwise.

[IronSabbath88]

Oh wow, those pictures are solid. I never noticed the similiarities.

[Action Bawstard]

MaP_Prime wrote...

There is another thing that has been bugging me about the Hudson interview. Is it possible the ending they created was meant to be the way it is to get all of us talking and coming up with our own ideas to give Bioware an indication on what to do next? I mean is it possible that Bioware has been reading all of these theories and saying "you know what? This indoctrination idea is kinda neat, let's take that and run with it!" or something? I know probably grasping, but that Hudson interview has brought me down again to think the ending in the game is the only ending we're getting...

If anyone knows how EA does buisness, you know they set almost unrealistic deadlines for the gaming companies they work with. PERHAPS, this is all a theory, Bioware convinced EA to leave a possibly better ending out for the time being so they could get the game out in time. Like I said, this is just a gut feeling I get from them. They wanted to craft a perfect ending, but EA was like WELL WE NEED GAME NAO.
Just hopeful thinking really.

[FugitiveMind]

Jaxitty wrote...

I was thinking...reading some of the questions about the Star Child...what if he was simply a manifestation of what Shep was familiar with and could accept, like in Ghostbusters, when the guys were told to Choose the form of the Destroyer.

If star-child turns into the stay-puft marshmellow man, I'm out

[Fledgey]

Cellander wrote...
*snip*

Holy hell, thank you for the screenshots. We talked about this, but nobody had the imagery to back it up. That's briliant. Could you take a shot of the lightning towers in LOTSB and the 1m1 towers in the citadel in me3?

[Erethrian]

killnoob wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

kent80082006 wrote...

Recap of star child on destroy option

You can destroy all reapers if you like
Can you imagine your life without synthetics?
Even you are partly synthetics
Including the geth

It's obvious that the star child doesn't want you to choose the destroy option
However Shpeherd will only wake up if you choose the destroy option
So if you can't explain why the star child so subtly try to interfere with Shepher's choice with those unnecessary details you have to admit there's something more to the ending

"but the reapers will be destroyed?"
"yes, but the peace won't last. soon, your children will create synthetics and then the chaos will come back."

this.
it's the only option that is presented as negative. no real manipulation other than 'positive' end results in the other two options, only a short decription.

and then shepard simply says  "maybe..."

Shpard: Yes, I am going to destroy the reapers.

God Child: okay go right ahead.

?????

Manipulation? Trying to sway Shepard into choosing other 2?
Damn that kid is easy to give up.

Again with that? O.o

"You're trolling/joking, right? Stop the rage and hate for now.

Shepard's already seen those options, not because he's been in the crucible
before, but because he's already seen what Saren and what TIM wanted
(Synergy/Control). Also if your choice was to keep the CB at the end of
ME2, the only option is to CONTROL the reapers (with low EMS). So,
actually, the indoctrination theory is the only thing that makes sense.

The reapers TRY to indoctrinate Shepard's mind, they try to keep him away from the DESTROY option, but it's still SHEPARD'S MIND, not HARBRINGER's mind, so it's his call. He is confused by the
indoctrination but he's the only one who can free himself from the
indoctrination by choosing the Destroy option.

Anyway, I think Shepard still survives whatever his choice is, but maybe (if a true
ending is coming) his actions once he awakes are based or influenced by
the choose he made.

That said, not trying to be offensive, it's just pissing me off all the hate you have..."

Modifié par Erethrian, 14 mars 2012 - 04:57 .

[Wattoes]

Around 2:40-3:10ish in the video for those that want to see it themselves.


It could always get changed from fan input, but as it stands, the endings are real.

Modifié par Wattoes, 14 mars 2012 - 04:57 .

[Capeo]

Lemondish wrote...

Capeo wrote...

kent80082006 wrote...

Recap of star child on destroy option

You can destroy all reapers if you like
Can you imagine your life without synthetics?
Even you are partly synthetics
Including the geth

It's obvious that the star child doesn't want you to choose the destroy option
However Shpeherd will only wake up if you choose the destroy option
So if you can't explain why the star child so subtly try to interfere with Shepher's choice with those unnecessary details you have to admit there's something more to the ending

That's because BW themselves see this as the worst outcome.  Read the script.  The whole point of the game is to bring synthetics and organics together.  BW uses the word "perfect" in regards to the Synergy ending.

If the whole point of the game is to bring synthetics and organics together, why do you believe the kid when he says there must be a new solution or 'synthetics will kill all organics'. There's no evidence to suggest any synthetics will rise up and kill organics as it has yet to happen. The geth are the only example, and we learned through the story that they were simply defending themselves.

Who says you do believe him?  You can still choose whatever you want.  I'm just telling you BW labels the Synergy ending as "perfect" and "saving the galaxy".  It ends all chance of wars and no synthetic race has to die.  Which is nice for the Geth considering they offer to fight the Reapers if you side with them.

[Noob451]

GoldenSkans9 wrote...

On top of BioEvilChris' tweet, we get this?

User 7: "Its not that the ending was taken in the wrong direction its that it makes NO SENSE. Ashley was on the Normandy? she [was] with me."
@masseffect: "Probably a good thing to be cautious of."

damn tease

[frajerik]

Noob451 wrote...

MatthewGold wrote...

Michał Korniluk ‏ @MichaKorniluk
@BioEvilChris There are also people selling incomplete data telling us it's complete. Such people are bastards, aren't they?

Chris Priestly ‏ @BioEvilChris
@MichaKorniluk Good thing I don't know anyone like that.


Oh ho ho ho.

damn it Chris!   staight answer! come on!

So the game is complete = endings stays.

[killnoob]

njfluffy19 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Pretty sure the capitalized "Shepard" means that's the start of a new sentence.

Pretty damn sure you can understand what i said all right.

Please don't try to bring grammars into an arguements.

"Your arguement is right, but your grammars are wrong."

Derp <<< not a word but people use it.

Go correct them, Professor.

 Trolololo!

Everyone has a right to argue. You do it in an offensive manner. "Believe me because I am right and your theory is dumb *facepalm*"

That, sir, will get you nowhere in life.

Where did I say I was right?

I merely point out  everything that's wrong with the hallucination theories.

How am I offensive?

[2_BR4ZIL_2]

MatthewGold wrote...

Michał Korniluk ‏ @MichaKorniluk
@BioEvilChris There are also people selling incomplete data telling us it's complete. Such people are bastards, aren't they?

Chris Priestly ‏ @BioEvilChris
@MichaKorniluk Good thing I don't know anyone like that.


Oh ho ho ho.

Indeed

[lex0r11]

killnoob wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

kent80082006 wrote...

Recap of star child on destroy option

You can destroy all reapers if you like
Can you imagine your life without synthetics?
Even you are partly synthetics
Including the geth

It's obvious that the star child doesn't want you to choose the destroy option
However Shpeherd will only wake up if you choose the destroy option
So if you can't explain why the star child so subtly try to interfere with Shepher's choice with those unnecessary details you have to admit there's something more to the ending

"but the reapers will be destroyed?"
"yes, but the peace won't last. soon, your children will create synthetics and then the chaos will come back."

this.
it's the only option that is presented as negative. no real manipulation other than 'positive' end results in the other two options, only a short decription.

and then shepard simply says  "maybe..."

Shpard: Yes, I am going to destroy the reapers.

God Child: okay go right ahead.

?????

Manipulation? Trying to sway Shepard into choosing other 2?
Damn that kid is easy to give up.

isn't that the point? doesn't indoctrination start with 'mindgames' and only after it is 100% complete you can control him. and shep obviously isn't normal compared to other indoctrination victims. he resisted als these excesive reaper contact all these games.

[Fledgey]

frajerik wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

MatthewGold wrote...

Michał Korniluk ‏ @MichaKorniluk
@BioEvilChris There are also people selling incomplete data telling us it's complete. Such people are bastards, aren't they?

Chris Priestly ‏ @BioEvilChris
@MichaKorniluk Good thing I don't know anyone like that.


Oh ho ho ho.

damn it Chris!   staight answer! come on!

So the game is complete = endings stays.

Somebody doesn't understand sarcasm?

[IronSabbath88]

Again, those of you searching for answers for devs.

Just, stop it.

Seriously.

They aren't going to give you a straight answer. Even if this DOES exist, they're going to beat around the bush or pretend like it doesn't exist because they're not just going to give that away. They're going to use it as a surprise.

[killnoob]

Erethrian wrote...


Again with that? O.o

"You're trolling/joking, right? Stop the rage and hate for now.

Shepard's already seen those options, not because he's been in the crucible
before, but because he's already seen what Saren and what TIM wanted
(Synergy/Control). Also if your choice was to keep the CB at the end of
ME2, the only option is to CONTROL the reapers (with low EMS). So,
actually, the indoctrination theory is the only thing that makes sense.

The reapers TRY to indoctrinate Shepard's mind, they try to keep him away from the DESTROY option, but it's still SHEPARD'S MIND, not HARBRINGER's mind, so it's his call. He is confused by the
indoctrination but he's the only one who can free himself from the
indoctrination by choosing the Destroy option.

Anyway, I think Shepard still survives whatever his choice is, but maybe (if a true
ending is coming) his actions once he awakes are based or influenced by
the choose he made.

That said, not trying to be offensive, it's just pissing me off all the hate you have..."

Dude, that's what happens in the current ending.

They're saying "the cyber kid is attempting to sway Shepard from choosing the destroy option"

But I'm saying there's no indication of the kid even "TRYING" to sway him

He just accept Shepard's answer like he respect his choice.

[MatthewGold]

frajerik wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

MatthewGold wrote...

Michał Korniluk ‏ @MichaKorniluk
@BioEvilChris There are also people selling incomplete data telling us it's complete. Such people are bastards, aren't they?

Chris Priestly ‏ @BioEvilChris
@MichaKorniluk Good thing I don't know anyone like that.


Oh ho ho ho.

damn it Chris!   staight answer! come on!

So the game is complete = endings stays.

The game being complete isn't necessarily indicitive that the ending stays.

[Fledgey]

Just stop responding to killnoob, he's just getting people riled up on purpose. There's no reason to respond whatsoever.

[HairyMadDog1010]

frajerik wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

MatthewGold wrote...

Michał Korniluk ‏ @MichaKorniluk
@BioEvilChris There are also people selling incomplete data telling us it's complete. Such people are bastards, aren't they?

Chris Priestly ‏ @BioEvilChris
@MichaKorniluk Good thing I don't know anyone like that.


Oh ho ho ho.

damn it Chris!   staight answer! come on!

So the game is complete = endings stays.

Or it could be a patch that activates the mounds of  unused final battle dialogue.

[BlackDragonBane]

Cellander wrote...

I don't know if this could contribute to this theory:

The first thing I noticed while waking up on the citadel is that it first reminds you of the Collector Ship.
These tubes, piles of bodies, fluid pouring and general insectoid feeling to it. Even Anderson says this.



Then it strongly reminds you of the Shadow Broker ship all of a sudden. These electrical charged discs moving up and down, the footbridge and electricity receivers on the sides.

The footbridge on Shadow Broker Ship:


The footbridge on the Citadel:


The electrified discs on the Shadow Broker Ship


The electrified discs on the Citadel:


Ramps and receivers on the side on the Citadel:


Also, this I don't know but the room with Illusive Man and Anderson looks a bit like the room Illusive Man used to sit in, empty circular room with a holographic interface and a massive vision over a celestial body, when Citadel opens. The glowing ring on the floor is where Shepard used to stand on while talking to Illusive man, although in the Citadel version it's much bigger.



About the Shadow Broker thing: On Hagalaz the discs is to absorb electricity from the thunders constantly going on outside to keep the ship powered. Now, there's no thunder in space. Would the Citadel really need that kind of technology, seems out of place? That design seems unique to the Shadow Broker ship and I've never seen such thing on the Citadel. Something is not right here.

To me the environments in the last minutes of Mass Effect 3 seems to be "memories" from actual places Shepard has visited. What do you think?

I added a link to this on our off-site discussion base. Very nice catch.

[njfluffy19]

Capeo wrote...


Who says you do believe him?  You can still choose whatever you want.  I'm just telling you BW labels the Synergy ending as "perfect" and "saving the galaxy".  It ends all chance of wars and no synthetic race has to die.  Which is nice for the Geth considering they offer to fight the Reapers if you side with them.

Where is this said? You only need a slightly higher reputation and EMS. How does that make it perfect? Saren wanted this from the beginning, so by your thought process, Saren was correct from the beginning and we were wrong in killing him? That is a ridiculous conclusion to come to. Think about it.

The "perfect" ending (Highest EMS, hardest to obtain) is from destroy. We can assume that this is the "best" and "secret" ending because of the cut scene at the end (Shepard taking a breath in some rubble). So tell me, how is synthesis the best option?

[Fledgey]

MatthewGold wrote...

frajerik wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

MatthewGold wrote...

Michał Korniluk ‏ @MichaKorniluk
@BioEvilChris There are also people selling incomplete data telling us it's complete. Such people are bastards, aren't they?

Chris Priestly ‏ @BioEvilChris
@MichaKorniluk Good thing I don't know anyone like that.


Oh ho ho ho.

damn it Chris!   staight answer! come on!

So the game is complete = endings stays.

The game being complete isn't necessarily indicitive that the ending stays.

Also if the true endings happen to be a timebomb and are already on the disk, the game is definitely complete in every sense of the word.

[Noob451]

Fledgey wrote...

Just stop responding to killnoob, he's just getting people riled up on purpose. There's no reason to respond whatsoever.

this