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[Capeo]

Noob451 wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Capeo wrote...


Who says you do believe him?  You can still choose whatever you want.  I'm just telling you BW labels the Synergy ending as "perfect" and "saving the galaxy".  It ends all chance of wars and no synthetic race has to die.  Which is nice for the Geth considering they offer to fight the Reapers if you side with them.

Where is this said? You only need a slightly higher reputation and EMS. How does that make it perfect? Saren wanted this from the beginning, so by your thought process, Saren was correct from the beginning and we were wrong in killing him? That is a ridiculous conclusion to come to. Think about it.

The "perfect" ending (Highest EMS, hardest to obtain) is from destroy. We can assume that this is the "best" and "secret" ending because of the cut scene at the end (Shepard taking a breath in some rubble). So tell me, how is synthesis the best option?

besides isn't it all about making tough choices?  the entire game we're asked, what would you sacrifice?   Synthesis and control just seem like easy ways out, with no real consequences.  (remember shepard supposedly dies in all 3 choices)

It says it in the leaked script.  Destroy is not the "perfect" ending according BW themselves.  Synergy is.  Just because you need a higher EMS to see an Easter Egg for people who play MP doesn't mean a thing.  Destroy and Control open before Synergy. 

And how the hell is dying no consequences? 

[njfluffy19]

HairyMadDog1010 wrote...


I think the dialogue has. I rember a line were joker said he was bringing his girls home (Normady and EDI) and various other battle dialogue.

I for one would love to know where that even would tie into anything the way things are now. I mean they crash land on some foreign planet-- not Earth. How is that home?

Modifié par njfluffy19, 14 mars 2012 - 05:10 .

[Mr.Burke]

By now I think people have been spending more time on here talking about the crap ending that we got instead of playing the actual game. The whole point of ME3's ending was to get everyone to flood their forums more...

[njfluffy19]

Capeo wrote...

It says it in the leaked script.  Destroy is not the "perfect" ending according BW themselves.  Synergy is.  Just because you need a higher EMS to see an Easter Egg for people who play MP doesn't mean a thing.  Destroy and Control open before Synergy. 

And how the hell is dying no consequences? 

The basis of your argument is based on a leaked script that has been since revised?

[BlackDragonBane]

If your sick of all these trolls, spite-full arguments that lend nothing to theorycrafting, and just want a calm, neutral place to discuss with fellow theorists, we have a new home. Completely troll free and regulated to prevent the fighting that has consumed this thread and trapped it in endless, nonsensible looping.

Byne has kindly linked the new base of operations to the OP or you can PM me to be directed to our new home. There are many topics up for discussion and room for more (doesn't have to be Mass Effect related),

[Cellander]

PyroByte wrote...

Cellander wrote...

Ramps and receivers on the side on the Citadel:

The things on the left and right side of the ramp bear a really close resemblance to the capacity generators on the hull of the shadow broker vessel (the ones that discharge energy when you shot them). Could still be just coincidence.

Yeah, just what I thought. Don't have a screenshots of the ME2 ones but that was the first thing to come to mind. We've never seen this design on the Citadel, it was unique to the Shadow Broker Ship. As said it could be a coincidence, but I still find it weird.

[lex0r11]

[quote]lex0r11 wrote...

[quote]killnoob wrote...

[quote]Erethrian wrote...


Again with that? O.o

"You're trolling/joking, right? Stop the rage and hate for now.

Shepard's already seen those options, not because he's been in the crucible
before, but because he's already seen what Saren and what TIM wanted
(Synergy/Control). Also if your choice was to keep the CB at the end of
ME2, the only option is to CONTROL the reapers (with low EMS). So,
actually, the indoctrination theory is the only thing that makes sense.

The reapers TRY to indoctrinate Shepard's mind, they try to keep him away from the DESTROY option, but it's still SHEPARD'S MIND, not HARBRINGER's mind, so it's his call. He is confused by the
indoctrination but he's the only one who can free himself from the
indoctrination by choosing the Destroy option.

Anyway, I think Shepard still survives whatever his choice is, but maybe (if a true
ending is coming) his actions once he awakes are based or influenced by
the choose he made.

That said, not trying to be offensive, it's just pissing me off all the hate you have..."

[/quote]

Dude, that's what happens in the current ending.

They're saying "the cyber kid is attempting to sway Shepard from choosing the destroy option"

But I'm saying there's no indication of the kid even "TRYING" to sway him

He just accept Shepard's answer like he respect his choice.



[/quote]

where is he verbaly accepting it? it's a thing in his head through indoctrination. if shep goes '**** it, i'll still do it my way' harbinger failed to overtake his mind. like i said before, shep isn't like other indoctrination victims.

something to add:
saren and TIM still believed right up until they died that they were still in control.they kept insisting that they are not being used by the reapers, that it might even be the other way around.

Modifié par lex0r11, 14 mars 2012 - 05:11 .

[Capeo]

Lemondish wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Lemondish wrote...

Capeo wrote...

kent80082006 wrote...

Recap of star child on destroy option

You can destroy all reapers if you like
Can you imagine your life without synthetics?
Even you are partly synthetics
Including the geth

It's obvious that the star child doesn't want you to choose the destroy option
However Shpeherd will only wake up if you choose the destroy option
So if you can't explain why the star child so subtly try to interfere with Shepher's choice with those unnecessary details you have to admit there's something more to the ending

That's because BW themselves see this as the worst outcome.  Read the script.  The whole point of the game is to bring synthetics and organics together.  BW uses the word "perfect" in regards to the Synergy ending.

If the whole point of the game is to bring synthetics and organics together, why do you believe the kid when he says there must be a new solution or 'synthetics will kill all organics'. There's no evidence to suggest any synthetics will rise up and kill organics as it has yet to happen. The geth are the only example, and we learned through the story that they were simply defending themselves.

Who says you do believe him?  You can still choose whatever you want.  I'm just telling you BW labels the Synergy ending as "perfect" and "saving the galaxy".  It ends all chance of wars and no synthetic race has to die.  Which is nice for the Geth considering they offer to fight the Reapers if you side with them.

If by Bioware labelling the Syngergy ending as perfect, you mean the Catalyst does. Keep in mind that Synthesis is not only exactly what Saren was going on about, it is also eerily familiar to the concept of ascencion that Harbinger details.

I feel you're making a mistake by assuming that Bioware is giving the message without considering the messenger.

No.  Read the friggin script.  It's not what the catalyst says it's what BW says.  It states if the player had a perfect game then Synergy the best ending will be open.

[HairyMadDog1010]

[quote]njfluffy19 wrote...

[quote]HairyMadDog1010 wrote...

Eh, I'd assume stuff like that would have already been datamined.  Unless they were SUPER sneaky, and whatever conclusion they have uses the games engine (no prerendered cutscenes) and has no recorded dialogue... hmmm.[/quote]

I think the dialogue has. I rember a line were joker said he was bringing his girls home (Normady and EDI) and various other battle dialogue.[/quote]

I for one would love to know where that even would tie into anything the way things are now. I mean they crash land on some foreign planet-- not Earth. How is that home?

[/quote]

In this theory the crash landing never happend. I assume it means joker brings the normady in to save shepard's ass from Sovereign.

[Fledgey]

Capeo wrote...

Lemondish wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Lemondish wrote...

Capeo wrote...

kent80082006 wrote...

Recap of star child on destroy option

You can destroy all reapers if you like
Can you imagine your life without synthetics?
Even you are partly synthetics
Including the geth

It's obvious that the star child doesn't want you to choose the destroy option
However Shpeherd will only wake up if you choose the destroy option
So if you can't explain why the star child so subtly try to interfere with Shepher's choice with those unnecessary details you have to admit there's something more to the ending

That's because BW themselves see this as the worst outcome.  Read the script.  The whole point of the game is to bring synthetics and organics together.  BW uses the word "perfect" in regards to the Synergy ending.

If the whole point of the game is to bring synthetics and organics together, why do you believe the kid when he says there must be a new solution or 'synthetics will kill all organics'. There's no evidence to suggest any synthetics will rise up and kill organics as it has yet to happen. The geth are the only example, and we learned through the story that they were simply defending themselves.

Who says you do believe him?  You can still choose whatever you want.  I'm just telling you BW labels the Synergy ending as "perfect" and "saving the galaxy".  It ends all chance of wars and no synthetic race has to die.  Which is nice for the Geth considering they offer to fight the Reapers if you side with them.

If by Bioware labelling the Syngergy ending as perfect, you mean the Catalyst does. Keep in mind that Synthesis is not only exactly what Saren was going on about, it is also eerily familiar to the concept of ascencion that Harbinger details.

I feel you're making a mistake by assuming that Bioware is giving the message without considering the messenger.

No.  Read the friggin script.  It's not what the catalyst says it's what BW says.  It states if the player had a perfect game then Synergy the best ending will be open.

Scripts can change, and things can be leaked on purpose to create a false expectation.

[IronSabbath88]

I by no means had a perfect game, I only had like 3400 war assets and 50% readiness and got synergy.

It's not the perfect ending.

[killnoob]

lex0r11 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Erethrian wrote...


Again with that? O.o

"You're trolling/joking, right? Stop the rage and hate for now.

Shepard's already seen those options, not because he's been in the crucible
before, but because he's already seen what Saren and what TIM wanted
(Synergy/Control). Also if your choice was to keep the CB at the end of
ME2, the only option is to CONTROL the reapers (with low EMS). So,
actually, the indoctrination theory is the only thing that makes sense.

The reapers TRY to indoctrinate Shepard's mind, they try to keep him away from the DESTROY option, but it's still SHEPARD'S MIND, not HARBRINGER's mind, so it's his call. He is confused by the
indoctrination but he's the only one who can free himself from the
indoctrination by choosing the Destroy option.

Anyway, I think Shepard still survives whatever his choice is, but maybe (if a true
ending is coming) his actions once he awakes are based or influenced by
the choose he made.

That said, not trying to be offensive, it's just pissing me off all the hate you have..."

Dude, that's what happens in the current ending.

They're saying "the cyber kid is attempting to sway Shepard from choosing the destroy option"

But I'm saying there's no indication of the kid even "TRYING" to sway him

He just accept Shepard's answer like he respect his choice.

where is he verbaly accepting it? it's a thing in his head through indoctrination. if shep goes '**** it, i'll still do it my way' harbinger failed to overtake his mind. like i said before, shep isn't like other indoctrination victims.

So Harbringer failed to overtake his mind, if he chooses destroyer?

Then explain to me why does Shepard still sees the reapers getting destroyed, the normandy crushed into some random planet like all other endings,

If he's supposed to stop hallucinating as soon as Harbringer fails?

What's the point of seeing all that?

[Noob451]

Capeo wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Capeo wrote...


Who says you do believe him?  You can still choose whatever you want.  I'm just telling you BW labels the Synergy ending as "perfect" and "saving the galaxy".  It ends all chance of wars and no synthetic race has to die.  Which is nice for the Geth considering they offer to fight the Reapers if you side with them.

Where is this said? You only need a slightly higher reputation and EMS. How does that make it perfect? Saren wanted this from the beginning, so by your thought process, Saren was correct from the beginning and we were wrong in killing him? That is a ridiculous conclusion to come to. Think about it.

The "perfect" ending (Highest EMS, hardest to obtain) is from destroy. We can assume that this is the "best" and "secret" ending because of the cut scene at the end (Shepard taking a breath in some rubble). So tell me, how is synthesis the best option?

besides isn't it all about making tough choices?  the entire game we're asked, what would you sacrifice?   Synthesis and control just seem like easy ways out, with no real consequences.  (remember shepard supposedly dies in all 3 choices)

It says it in the leaked script.  Destroy is not the "perfect" ending according BW themselves.  Synergy is.  Just because you need a higher EMS to see an Easter Egg for people who play MP doesn't mean a thing.  Destroy and Control open before Synergy. 

And how the hell is dying no consequences? 

because you "die" in all 3.  the only one that has reprucussions is the destrroy option, where all synthetics die.
it's also said by shepard himself something along the lines of "don't try to understand or compromise with the reapers, you'll just end up indoctrinated"  Saren did this (compromise, synthesis) indoctrinated,  Illusive man did this (control, understand)  indoctrinated.  Having high EMS shows shepard surviving the destroy ending, showing that the child was lying.

[MysticFred]

What of this? (sorry if it has already been linked/discussed)

http://www.gamefront...ng-and-its-bad/

Modifié par MysticFred, 14 mars 2012 - 05:15 .

[Jaxitty]

Has anyone considered, assuming you believe the Indoctrination Theory, (which I do) that even with all the evidence that your average joe couldn't just shake off indoctrination....Shep is 3/4 synthetic! That he may be resistant to a majority of the nastier side effects of it but still succumb to parts of it because s/he's still partly organic.

I will add though, that I don't know whether synthetics can even BE indoctrinated and if they can how it works...someone with more time or who has already memorized the codex's from the three games can fill in those gaps

[777crowe777]

lex0r11 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

isn't that the point? doesn't indoctrination start with 'mindgames' and only after it is 100% complete you can control him. and shep obviously isn't normal compared to other indoctrination victims. he resisted als these excesive reaper contact all these games.

So are you saying that even the cinematic after you choose destroy isn't real?

That Shepard dreamed/hallucinated some more even after choosing Destroy?

And he always hallucinate the same thing about normandy crash into some unknown planet?

where did you get that out of my post?

• Indoctrination people your all idiots....
  
• He only comes back because he dies in the other two, the little genies says " you can control them/us but you cannot leave," so duh he won't wake up.
  
• You jumped into a damn freakish beam, the fall alone should kill you,.... its also a damn evil beam!
  
• Shepard should have never woken up... seriously. They want us to believe that you can get shot in the gut and bleed out to the point you can hardly move, then get up and make some big decision, get blown up on the Citadel and survive???? While anderson gets shot ONCE (if you take out mister illusive first) and he dies within MINUTES!!!! ( he wasnt even scratched after he came up the beam compared to shepard)?

Modifié par 777crowe777, 14 mars 2012 - 05:21 .

[njfluffy19]

We have discussed that link, Mystic. It doesn't really prove anything.

Modifié par njfluffy19, 14 mars 2012 - 05:15 .

[Sheparded]

MysticFred wrote...

What of this? (sorry if it has already been linked/discussed)

http://www.gamefront...ng-and-its-bad/

That article is pretty vague IMO

[lex0r11]

killnoob wrote...

So Harbringer failed to overtake his mind, if he chooses destroyer?

Then explain to me why does Shepard still sees the reapers getting destroyed, the normandy crushed into some random planet like all other endings,

If he's supposed to stop hallucinating as soon as Harbringer fails?

What's the point of seeing all that?

because it ends only when he wakes after the ruble. maybe harbinger thinks this is what he wants to see to take his mind off its *defensive* mode. tricking the mind into relaxation might help indoctrination. why not?

Modifié par lex0r11, 14 mars 2012 - 05:18 .

[Ingaroo]

Chipikowski wrote...

I'm sorry, I'm a 100% positive this has been mentioned several times before, but i'm not planning on scouting through 400 pages...
But I saw my squadmates after I got hit by the laser. In a pool of blood. One of them my LI, and them coming out of the Normandy really messed with my feelings. Just saying, those that stated the squaddies were not there or standing somewhere in the back, maybe it's a bug?
Because mine were pretty dead. So I really, REALLY hope that all after the laser was a dream. Hallucination. Indoctrination. Whatever.

Ditto. I was so disturbed by the whole thing I just want the possibility of a different ending.

[Moshaaver]

The Petition people probably should have given that 25,000 dollars to Casey Hudson for a new ending. That'd be a bit more direct... right?

[killnoob]

Fledgey wrote...
Scripts can change, and things can be leaked on purpose to create a false expectation.

And Bioware did WTC.

Seriously, listen to yourself.

[Capeo]

Fledgey wrote...

Scripts can change, and things can be leaked on purpose to create a false expectation.

Oh, good lord.  Leaked on purpose?  Yeah, right.  The tin-foil hat is stong in you.  The script is almost exactly the same.  The only difference is they cut stuff.  Then sold it as DLC.  Hence Omega DLC is coming next because they cut that from the main game.

[Moshaaver]

I'm glad that the trolling has been reduced to referencing the World Trade Center, maybe next they'll talk about Hitler.

[killnoob]

lex0r11 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

So Harbringer failed to overtake his mind, if he chooses destroyer?

Then explain to me why does Shepard still sees the reapers getting destroyed, the normandy crushed into some random planet like all other endings,

If he's supposed to stop hallucinating as soon as Harbringer fails?

What's the point of seeing all that?

because it ends only when he wakes after the ruble. maybe harbinger thinks this is what he wants to see to take his mind off it's *defensive* mode. tricking the mind into relaxation might help indoctrination. why not?

What on earth are you talking about?

Mass relays getting destroyed all geth wiped out are relaxations?

Huh??