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[GBGriffin]

Sierra163 wrote...

Something interesting I saw on twitter.

@jessicamerizan Really, a hallucination/dream? Cause that was trite when Dallas did it, what 30 yrs ago now? #lamelameamelamelamelamelame
Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan Close
@JTFehrenbacher you are free to have your opinion and I'm free to have mine

Even though she's PR and not a dev...I can now see why she would think it was a hallucination. I can honestly say, out of the other ridiculous theories, this one gives me the most hope, even though I'm telling myself to remain skeptical.

At best, they say it's a hallucination. At worst, I headcanon it as such and it works better than my previous one.

I just really don't know what to say, and I'm sorry to keep mentioning that. If they confirm or deny it, I'll be watching, but for now, this has given me the incentive to play the game on on the off-chance this is true.

Thank you, thread. Thank you.

[ceruleancrescent]

k8ee wrote...

I'm playing it again, right now...
I didn't notice a difference with the armour at all, though I never changed mine from the regular N7.

Some of the dialogue between Shepard and Anderson is odd too, like "This doesn't look like any part of the Citadel I've been to."
and when Anderson says "One of the walls just moved, the place is shifting, changing."

You know what gets me? The scene with TIM is like a pre-boss battle, but he's not the real threat. When it comes right down to it, talking to that kid is when you are actually fighting the reapers.

Control, and the reapers and the citadel remain intact, synthesize and end the cycle which also leaves the reapers intact, or destroy them. I can't imagine choosing the destiny of all life would be correct... it seems unnatural...

...And maybe the visual of the Normandy is just something Shep's mind comes up with in an attempt to feel better about the decision they made.

Also, I notice with that ending that the mass relay was destroyed, even though the kid doesn't say that will happen... not sure what was going on there..

And if it is a dream, do you actually open the arms of the citadel from the ground???? Are there still people on the CItadel? Do they open the arms?????

This is killing me.

That cavern in the citadel reminded me of the electric moving plates that ran the Shadow Broker ship, and the old Shadow Broker made deals with the collecters/reapers...

And also after the blast from Harbinger, Shepard's armor is completely charred, cracked, and ulmost unrecognizable. During the breathing scene, the armor seems more stable and solid, does not seems charred, and does not seem to have the rupture on the left side from which Shepard was bleeding from.

Although I've only played it through once and I'd have to do it again to double check what I saw so I could be wrong, all of this is just so interesting. There are just too many peculiar things that occur...

[littleork]

cec_121088 wrote...

I'm watching the endings on Youtube and I just noticed something. When the Reaper/god-child/whatever thing speaks, Mark Meer's voice can also be heard. If I'm right, it certainly helps the "it's all a hallucination theory".

skip to 12:20, that's where I noticed it.

 
It will still be a guy voice if you play femshep, its probably just the harbinger talking:), that also makes me think of indoctrination tho

[lookingglassmind]

cec_121088 wrote...

I'm watching the endings on Youtube and I just noticed something. When the Reaper/god-child/whatever thing speaks, Mark Meer's voice can also be heard. If I'm right, it certainly helps the "it's all a hallucination theory".

skip to 12:20, that's where I noticed it.

Holy crap, really? I can't listen to it right now, but I'm going to try a bit later. That would be... awesome.

[MattFini]

This thread is like Shepard's role in ME3: our only hope.

If this doesn't pan out, ME is dead to me. Hell, even if this is spot-on it was pretty lame to serve up that **** ending.

But maybe, just maybe, its spot on.

[krystalevenstar]

Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan
@o1striker that's kind of how I interpreted it as a dying hallucination, but I'm not a dev so I don't know what was intended.

[lookingglassmind]

ceruleancrescent wrote...

That cavern in the citadel reminded me of the electric moving plates that ran the Shadow Broker ship, and the old Shadow Broker made deals with the collecters/reapers...

And also after the blast from Harbinger, Shepard's armor is completely charred, cracked, and ulmost unrecognizable. During the breathing scene, the armor seems more stable and solid, does not seems charred, and does not seem to have the rupture on the left side from which Shepard was bleeding from.

Although I've only played it through once and I'd have to do it again to double check what I saw so I could be wrong, all of this is just so interesting. There are just too many peculiar things that occur...

Also? You speak of armour, but Shepard wasn't wearing any! S/he was wearing the casual attire from the Normandy! How is this possible to go from being in full armour, firing at Harbinger, to being in casual clothes, firing an endless gun?

[Elenterx]

Little boy = Harbinger & Harbinger ****ing with shepard for half the game.
Could explain the lack of his presence the entire game

[FugitiveMind]

I'm of the mind that NOTHING post harby-beam happened...

No chat with anderson, no chat with tim, no 3 card monte with the glow in the dark god child, no relays exploding, no pandora crash

It was all the battle for Shepard's mind. Now that it's over with the quick breath in the rock and conrete of London, we either
A) headcanon the ending or
get supplied the actual one later (actually with this uproar it better be sooner)

None of it happened, we're right at the restart mission save into la-la land.

Why?

Because if this was all the master plan, and everyone gets the ending at the same time or whatever conspiracy theory you believe, you'll play through the battle for shepards mind again, but then it will keep going with the new/unlocked content.

If we headcanon it, it doesn't matter anyway except how I want to thank this thread for deeply enriching my headcanon more than I could have managed alone

[monkspider]

Anyone else think TIM seemed a bit out of character during the Citadel sequence? It didn't sound quite like the same TIM we were used to. For example, I just can't believe that TIM would ever admit that he was wrong.
Of course, there are the other questions of how on earth he got to the Citadel and why was he suddenly in an advanced state of being huskified when we saw him just recently in a conversation at Ceberus HQ and he looked perfectly fine?

[Golferguy758]

Posting this again because I sitll want clarification

But if the Normandy crashing is a hallucination then the relays couldn't have been destroyed in that ending. otherwise the Normandy wouldn't have crashed.

Unless.... The relays being destroyed in the cinematic were actually, for lack of a better word, indoctrination programs being destroyed in Shepard's brain.

And holy crap, either I'm indoctrinated by Bioware into thinkign this is good, or I've gone off the deepend and rationalizing so hard that it makes sense.

[lookingglassmind]

FugitiveMind wrote...

If we headcanon it, it doesn't matter anyway except how I want to thank this thread for deeply enriching my headcanon more than I could have managed alone

This. A million times this, and then some. Cheers.

[littleork]

lookingglassmind wrote...

ceruleancrescent wrote...

That cavern in the citadel reminded me of the electric moving plates that ran the Shadow Broker ship, and the old Shadow Broker made deals with the collecters/reapers...

And also after the blast from Harbinger, Shepard's armor is completely charred, cracked, and ulmost unrecognizable. During the breathing scene, the armor seems more stable and solid, does not seems charred, and does not seem to have the rupture on the left side from which Shepard was bleeding from.

Although I've only played it through once and I'd have to do it again to double check what I saw so I could be wrong, all of this is just so interesting. There are just too many peculiar things that occur...

Also? You speak of armour, but Shepard wasn't wearing any! S/he was wearing the casual attire from the Normandy! How is this possible to go from being in full armour, firing at Harbinger, to being in casual clothes, firing an endless gun?

If your armor got shattered hard like that, then im sorry it would have kill you as well, we are still human as shep as far as i know, i brought that up in the first 10 pages of the thread. And since you get back some kind of armor at the breathing scene, then im saying that u are indoc/hallucinating/dreaming w/e

[GBGriffin]

MattFini wrote...

This thread is like Shepard's role in ME3: our only hope.

If this doesn't pan out, ME is dead to me. Hell, even if this is spot-on it was pretty lame to serve up that **** ending.

But maybe, just maybe, its spot on.

IMO, like I said, they can do one of two things for me:

1.) Issue what their version of the official ending is, even if it is just "deal with it." At which point, I headcanon this ending regardless, and it works better than my old one.

Or

2.) They can confirm it was a hallucination, a bombshell they may have wanted to save until later to drop, maybe even expand on hints that back up the theory and offer insight into their DLC plan, which, now, I'd actually buy if this were true.

Either way, I hate what they did, I absolutely hate it, but I actually have hope again. Wow.

[krystalevenstar]

Someone suggested earlier that they're just with-holding the ending until it's out in all regions, so that the true ending never got leaked. I bet we'll know something more definitive by Tues. Or at least some sort of response from BW.

[LadyVakarian]

I have been lurking and I am currently at page 38, but I needed to post this, I thought it was kind of a weird thing for the Reapers to do in the first place. So in light of that, I created this meme:

[Fat Headed Wolf]

LadyVakarian wrote...

I have been lurking and I am currently at page 38, but I needed to post this, I thought it was kind of a weird thing for the Reapers to do in the first place. So in light of that, I created this meme:

I love you. <3

[Elenterx]

I'm honestly thinking Harbinger indoctrinated shepard... Honestly how does a reaper like the just disappear?
It would really explain a lot.

Modifié par Elenterx, 11 mars 2012 - 05:52 .

[lookingglassmind]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Posting this again because I sitll want clarification

But if the Normandy crashing is a hallucination then the relays couldn't have been destroyed in that ending. otherwise the Normandy wouldn't have crashed.

Unless.... The relays being destroyed in the cinematic were actually, for lack of a better word, indoctrination programs being destroyed in Shepard's brain.

And holy crap, either I'm indoctrinated by Bioware into thinkign this is good, or I've gone off the deepend and rationalizing so hard that it makes sense.

I think the relays were either destroyed in every ending, or it could have been another deception spouted by the Catalyst, attempting to manipulate Shepard. Maybe the relays don't blow up at all. But I argue on the side that they did, because it's universal to all of the endings that we've seen that defy indoctrination. And for them to be spared in Destroy when EDI and the geth were (presumably) not, doesn't make sense (and, I know, I'm invoking 'sense' in a highly illogical thread, but allow me the kindness .

[mupp3tz]

Oh man, I laughed hard at that. Thanks a bunch, man!

[littleork]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Posting this again because I sitll want clarification

But if the Normandy crashing is a hallucination then the relays couldn't have been destroyed in that ending. otherwise the Normandy wouldn't have crashed.

Unless.... The relays being destroyed in the cinematic were actually, for lack of a better word, indoctrination programs being destroyed in Shepard's brain.

And holy crap, either I'm indoctrinated by Bioware into thinkign this is good, or I've gone off the deepend and rationalizing so hard that it makes sense.

I dont think the relays were destroyed since you are hallucinating EVERYTHING.

[Bigdoser]

Yeah when you are talking to the catalyst if you listen carefully you can hear meer and hale voice along with the child. My renegade shep went for destroy since to me destroy is pretty much a middle finger to the catalyst since she did not agree with it. Plus control seems like betrayal to everyone that fought in the war plus to me control seems like you are agreeing with the catalyst. Synthesis causes organics to lose what makes each race unique heck it changes what makes geth unique as well. 

So after reading this thread it does seem that the reapers are trying to indoctrinate Shepard because the catalyst does not want shepard to go for destory heck it even says that you will die if you go for it yet thats the only ending shepard can live in. Lets not forget that you can't survive crashing to earth so it must be a hallucination. Plus shep's armor is in better condition when shep takes a breath.

Modifié par Bigdoser, 11 mars 2012 - 05:54 .

[Invisibilly]

 I just rewatched the clip where shepard is alive and you can hear wind blowing further proving he/she is back on earth and not the citadel

[FugitiveMind]

krystalevenstar wrote...

Someone suggested earlier that they're just with-holding the ending until it's out in all regions, so that the true ending never got leaked. I bet we'll know something more definitive by Tues. Or at least some sort of response from BW.

Honestly with the uproar this is getting, and the articles that are popping up about it already, we almost need to hear something monday and have it available on the usual patch day of Tuesday.

If not, that means at least another week and a half for this to fester and grow and get incalculably worse. No amount of pr is going to fix this, only content will.

Hearing "this is how it's supposed to be, you'll have it in 2 months" would be even more of a death knell than it already is...

[Polat995]

Elenterx wrote...

I'm honestly thinking Harbinger indoctrinated shepard... Honestly how does a reaper like the just disappear?
It would really explain a lot.

It flew away but it must felt someone is still alive and trying to go Citadel.