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[JulienJaden]

Capeo wrote...

JulienJaden wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Fledgey wrote...
Scripts can change, and things can be leaked on purpose to create a false expectation.

And Bioware did WTC.

Seriously, listen to yourself.

Don't be ridiculous. The US government did that.


Anyway, alright, let's start at zero: If every ending is real, how can Shepard survive the station exploding around him, shields failing (thus, no atmosphere), and, if we assume that this scene takes place on Earth, re-entry into the planet's atmosphere?
If you can give me a satisfying answer based on what we see in the current endings that doesn't involve teleportation or space magic, I'm willing to accept it as a valid point.
Just don't go around trolling everyone when there's plotholes the size of Nevada.

You answered your own question.  Plot hole.  The game is rife with ridiculous plotholes yet people on this thread seem to think that right at the zero hour BW suddenly pulled their crap together and got clever on the endings that have been the same for 8 months in the very least.

You're talking about a game series where the antagonist has already been brought back from the dead and that in which the entire trilogy is resolved using space magic.  ME is extraordininarly soft sci-fi and has always been full of space magic and incongruities. 

As for that one scene specifically?  It's tossing fans a bone because they were afraid everyone would complain if there was no way to have Shep survive and Destroy is the ONLY ending that allows for that.  That's all it means.  Nothing more.  The other two endings consume Shep.  Everyone on here is using circular logic and putting the cart before the horse.  The simple answer is that Shep got back to the teleportation beam somehow.  The same kind of somehow that allowed the citadel to suddenly get to earth or the same somehow that allows the engineering impossibility of building the Crucible or the same kind of somehow that stops the Reapers from simply taking the Citadel from the start as has been their plan millions of times before or the same kind of somehow that allows the Reapers to simply ignore the incoming Crucible instead of destroying it.

Which antagonist was brought back from the dead? Saren never died. TIM never died (as far as I know).
Yes, the protagonist gets resurrected, but at incredible financial costs, because of some lucky coincidences and so much technology to repair him/her that it's a miracle none of Shepard's enemies just uses a magnet to incapacitate him/her.
However, within the game's lore, it makes sense. It's borderline, granted, but it made sense.

Also, we don't understand what the Citadel is, exactly. Who says it can't move? Who says it can't jump?
And who said the Crucible was impossible to build? The plans were hard to decipher and it took thousands of engineers and scientists and huge amounts of raw materials and production facilities, but those you partially gather during your campaign. That's why none of us complain about it. Everything is relatively sound up to those final minutes.

Now, the plotholes make no sense, and with Bioware being the company it is, I don't think they'd intentionally mess this up for no reason whatsoever. With EA calling the shots, it seems plausible they were under time pressure and put together a sloppy ending so they could ship in time. They didn't do anything they promised and, up until now, they haven't really told us anything definite about it. They just continue playing coy, with Hudson announcing there will be DLC in the future.


I just don't think they'd finish the trilogy with something so badly written and put together that several dozen people could come up with something better in a matter of hours after they finished the game (and I'm not only talking about the indoctrination theory; Arkis' alternative ending was very well put together, too) without having a reason for it and possibly working on a significant improvement. They just can't afford doing that. I mean, you guys disagree with us, but you're pissed about the plotholes too, right? How many customers would Bioware lose because of this? How many don't speak up but actually finish the game and think that this was absolutely horrible (not because of the endings themselves but because of everything that is just plain wrong)?

[Little Lummo]

Apologies if this link has been posted, its pretty much known already anyway but figured some might like to read it.

www.computerandvideogames.com/340022/mass-effect-3-86-think-bioware-blew-the-ending/

[Lemondish]

Zaknaberrnon wrote...

moar info on the 1m1 thing, quoting form another thread and adding my own bit after:

F3Zero wrote...

TIMIRIEL sent this to me, anyone want to have at it?

Might help make sense of what BIOWARE wants us to think.

1M1 - i think that's a more inconspicuous way of writing this 1*(M^(-1))

(the formula is used in optics, it actually stands for inverse of focal length, or dioptry,
or convergence...

In Logic, convergence is also the notion that a sequence of transformations come to the same conclusion, no matter what order they are performed in...

maybe it's too far fetched, i don't know
sadly, it fits to well with the "multiple" endings

And heres the clip:


 

my part:

I looked up the definitions for 'convergence' on wikidictionary to see if there were any other interesting meanings, and came across something familiar:

"convergence (countable and uncountable; plural convergences)

   1: The act of moving toward union or uniformity.
        A meeting place.

   2: The intersection of three electron beams for red, green and blue onto a single pixel in a CRT.
    3: (mathematics) The process of approaching some limiting value.
  4:   (physiology) The coordinated focusing of the eyes, especially at short range.
    5: (biology) The evolution of similar structures or traits in unrelated species in similar environments; convergent      evolution.
   6: The merging of distinct technologies, industries, or devices into a unified whole.
"
hmm three different colored explosions for three different choices...

http://en.wiktionary...iki/convergence

That is brilliant. Now...what does it MEAN?!

[orionshield]

  
ALso in the begining the little boy with the allinace fighter toy in his hand has no shadow on the ground but when the

scene cuts to shepard you immediately see shepard's hand make shadow over his face..............the little boy isn't real

and the AI as well, when TIM used mind control on shepard,,,,,,,,later, shepard dreams the last 10 minutes in the

game,,,,he actually passed out next to anderson and when he had a loss of blood shown on his left hand,,,,he really

passed out,,,,,,,did you notice the TIM was moved and was not in the same body position he was before? wasn't TIM

facing earth when he last spoke, but in shepards dream he is laying down now in a differnet body position,,,,the

ending is not the true ending!

[MatthewGold]

Lemondish wrote...

Zaknaberrnon wrote...

moar info on the 1m1 thing, quoting form another thread and adding my own bit after:

F3Zero wrote...

TIMIRIEL sent this to me, anyone want to have at it?

Might help make sense of what BIOWARE wants us to think.

1M1 - i think that's a more inconspicuous way of writing this 1*(M^(-1))

(the formula is used in optics, it actually stands for inverse of focal length, or dioptry,
or convergence...

In Logic, convergence is also the notion that a sequence of transformations come to the same conclusion, no matter what order they are performed in...

maybe it's too far fetched, i don't know
sadly, it fits to well with the "multiple" endings

And heres the clip:


 

my part:

I looked up the definitions for 'convergence' on wikidictionary to see if there were any other interesting meanings, and came across something familiar:

"convergence (countable and uncountable; plural convergences)

   1: The act of moving toward union or uniformity.
        A meeting place.

   2: The intersection of three electron beams for red, green and blue onto a single pixel in a CRT.
    3: (mathematics) The process of approaching some limiting value.
  4:   (physiology) The coordinated focusing of the eyes, especially at short range.
    5: (biology) The evolution of similar structures or traits in unrelated species in similar environments; convergent      evolution.
   6: The merging of distinct technologies, industries, or devices into a unified whole.
"
hmm three different colored explosions for three different choices...

http://en.wiktionary...iki/convergence

That is brilliant. Now...what does it MEAN?!

Sounds like Isaac Clarke is the real ending.

[killnoob]

Lemondish wrote...

killnoob wrote...

galaxy366 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

AntariuzX wrote...

Can somebody clarify one thing for me, that makes me question indoctrination theory. If it is all a dream indeed, Shepard is indoctrinated, then why even give him the option to destroy reapers? If reapers got into his mind, then they won, the end. Reapers are just giving him option to kill themselves?

Supposedly, they're saying that

Everything is played out in his head.

The reapers are TRYING to indoctrinate him, with a super long build up (with anderson, with TIM, and everything else) in between before getting to the point.

IF you choose destroy,

You defeat the reapers control and wake up.

But that's not before you hallucinate some more about reapers and mass relay getting blown up.

Then why do we see Shepard alive under rocks? DO KNOW, you don't hear weapons firing, but more metally sound and other strange and creepy noise. Sound more like the Citadel then  Eartg

because Shepard somehow survived after wiping out all reapers, and Shepard is in the ruins of the citadel?
he didn't sacrifice his body if he choose the destroy option.

The ruins of the citadel? Which part do you think is made of cement and rebar?

Right because you can tell the difference between rubbles. Because you know what the entire citadel is made of.
Because there's absolutely 0 chance that humans bring in their own technology to Citadel in order to adopt better.

Honestly.

[SomeBug]

It means nothing.

It means the end was so vague, so lazy, that you could hang any ending you wanted on its framework.

1M1 means nothing. I means some environment artist wanted to add some detail to a bland surface and used an arbitrary, geometric insignia made up of linear letters and numbers.

It means nothing. It's not a clue. It's not a hint.

It's not some super secret code.

It's laziness. Bad writing. It's a poorly executed ending.

Stop reading so much into so little.

[Kehoe]

Anderson beating Shepard in, him always involving Shepard in what he sees, Illusive Man looking more synthetic, then proceeding to kill himself using the paragon dialog just like Saren in ME1. All of these give me the feeling that the whole scene is taking place in Shepard's mind.

One other part of that scene that bothered me. While sitting next to Anderson, he says "good work child", which seems a bit out of character for him. My Shepard was a colonist who's parents were killed, so it would make sense for him/her to look at Anderson as a parental figure (he is the only one Shepard seems to listen to), and in a dream state have him take on that role.

[JulienJaden]

Lemondish wrote...

Zaknaberrnon wrote...

moar info on the 1m1 thing, quoting form another thread and adding my own bit after:

F3Zero wrote...

TIMIRIEL sent this to me, anyone want to have at it?

Might help make sense of what BIOWARE wants us to think.

1M1 - i think that's a more inconspicuous way of writing this 1*(M^(-1))

(the formula is used in optics, it actually stands for inverse of focal length, or dioptry,
or convergence...

In Logic, convergence is also the notion that a sequence of transformations come to the same conclusion, no matter what order they are performed in...

maybe it's too far fetched, i don't know
sadly, it fits to well with the "multiple" endings

And heres the clip:


 

my part:

I looked up the definitions for 'convergence' on wikidictionary to see if there were any other interesting meanings, and came across something familiar:

"convergence (countable and uncountable; plural convergences)

   1: The act of moving toward union or uniformity.
        A meeting place.

   2: The intersection of three electron beams for red, green and blue onto a single pixel in a CRT.
    3: (mathematics) The process of approaching some limiting value.
  4:   (physiology) The coordinated focusing of the eyes, especially at short range.
    5: (biology) The evolution of similar structures or traits in unrelated species in similar environments; convergent      evolution.
   6: The merging of distinct technologies, industries, or devices into a unified whole.
"
hmm three different colored explosions for three different choices...

http://en.wiktionary...iki/convergence

That is brilliant. Now...what does it MEAN?!

That we're being trolled. Why would they paint symbols used by humans on the walls, even if they used 'our' formulae?

[Flapperrr]

Mass Effect 3 — HEARING: DLC "Truth" and new true ending
Before to read further, pay special attention that this news is not confirmed IN ANY WAY officially and it can appear the LIE! Once again: it is INFORMAL INFORMATION.

A few hours ago the anonymous user from whom there was information on the first DLC for a multiplayer, shared information that "fiasco" with the ending of Mass Effect 3 was an intended step of developers because early the beta version of game flowed away in a network, an aperture thereby a plot. BioWare changed this plot so that they had time to prepare the true ending and to let out her by means of DLC.

Possible addition wears the name "Truth" (“The Truth”) and, allegedly, will quit in April or May. You can continue history regardless of what choice made in the ending, however your decision will make the strong impact on the "Truth" ending. To crown it all in addition there will be two new types of the enemies, the new classes, new multipleerny cards (including reference basis "Beehive" – a small card by the last remained ship of Collectors).

The image in news about DLC for a multiplayer shows some of future classes and races. On him are not shown протеанин the adherent and протеанин an attack plane. This DLC also will add in a multiplayer a proteansky rifle for all owners of addition «From ashes».

The source of news argues that this addition will extend free of charge.

Let's repeat that anything it was not confirmed officially yet, and everything can appear anything other, as a fake.

[Moshaaver]

killnoob wrote...

Lemondish wrote...

killnoob wrote...

galaxy366 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

AntariuzX wrote...

Can somebody clarify one thing for me, that makes me question indoctrination theory. If it is all a dream indeed, Shepard is indoctrinated, then why even give him the option to destroy reapers? If reapers got into his mind, then they won, the end. Reapers are just giving him option to kill themselves?

Supposedly, they're saying that

Everything is played out in his head.

The reapers are TRYING to indoctrinate him, with a super long build up (with anderson, with TIM, and everything else) in between before getting to the point.

IF you choose destroy,

You defeat the reapers control and wake up.

But that's not before you hallucinate some more about reapers and mass relay getting blown up.

Then why do we see Shepard alive under rocks? DO KNOW, you don't hear weapons firing, but more metally sound and other strange and creepy noise. Sound more like the Citadel then  Eartg

because Shepard somehow survived after wiping out all reapers, and Shepard is in the ruins of the citadel?
he didn't sacrifice his body if he choose the destroy option.

The ruins of the citadel? Which part do you think is made of cement and rebar?

Right because you can tell the difference between rubbles. Because you know what the entire citadel is made of.
Because there's absolutely 0 chance that humans bring in their own technology to Citadel in order to adopt better.

Honestly.

I feel like your criticism arguements that you then turn around and use yourself. It's pretty easy to tell rubble apart unless it's been, like... ionized. WHY would the Alliance bring in giant concrete and rebar buildings? What evidence is their for that.... and do you honestly think in the what... 23rd century... people are using Concrete and Rebar, ESPECIALLY IN SPACE?

[usmack5]

[SomeBug]

All you are doing is constructing the most elaborate excuse for bad writing the world has ever seen. You're applying a level of artistic intelligence to BioWare that they do not deserve.

They wrote a bad ending. They let you down. And your response is to spend ludicrous amounts of time and effort trying to excuse what they did by suggesting they're not super dumb, they're actually super smart.

Don't give them such an out, please. They don't deserve it.

[killnoob]

JulienJaden wrote...

Capeo wrote...

JulienJaden wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Fledgey wrote...
Scripts can change, and things can be leaked on purpose to create a false expectation.

And Bioware did WTC.

Seriously, listen to yourself.

Don't be ridiculous. The US government did that.


Anyway, alright, let's start at zero: If every ending is real, how can Shepard survive the station exploding around him, shields failing (thus, no atmosphere), and, if we assume that this scene takes place on Earth, re-entry into the planet's atmosphere?
If you can give me a satisfying answer based on what we see in the current endings that doesn't involve teleportation or space magic, I'm willing to accept it as a valid point.
Just don't go around trolling everyone when there's plotholes the size of Nevada.

You answered your own question.  Plot hole.  The game is rife with ridiculous plotholes yet people on this thread seem to think that right at the zero hour BW suddenly pulled their crap together and got clever on the endings that have been the same for 8 months in the very least.

You're talking about a game series where the antagonist has already been brought back from the dead and that in which the entire trilogy is resolved using space magic.  ME is extraordininarly soft sci-fi and has always been full of space magic and incongruities. 

As for that one scene specifically?  It's tossing fans a bone because they were afraid everyone would complain if there was no way to have Shep survive and Destroy is the ONLY ending that allows for that.  That's all it means.  Nothing more.  The other two endings consume Shep.  Everyone on here is using circular logic and putting the cart before the horse.  The simple answer is that Shep got back to the teleportation beam somehow.  The same kind of somehow that allowed the citadel to suddenly get to earth or the same somehow that allows the engineering impossibility of building the Crucible or the same kind of somehow that stops the Reapers from simply taking the Citadel from the start as has been their plan millions of times before or the same kind of somehow that allows the Reapers to simply ignore the incoming Crucible instead of destroying it.

Which antagonist was brought back from the dead? Saren never died. TIM never died (as far as I know).
Yes, the protagonist gets resurrected, but at incredible financial costs, because of some lucky coincidences and so much technology to repair him/her that it's a miracle none of Shepard's enemies just uses a magnet to incapacitate him/her.
However, within the game's lore, it makes sense. It's borderline, granted, but it made sense.

Also, we don't understand what the Citadel is, exactly. Who says it can't move? Who says it can't jump?
And who said the Crucible was impossible to build? The plans were hard to decipher and it took thousands of engineers and scientists and huge amounts of raw materials and production facilities, but those you partially gather during your campaign. That's why none of us complain about it. Everything is relatively sound up to those final minutes.

Now, the plotholes make no sense, and with Bioware being the company it is, I don't think they'd intentionally mess this up for no reason whatsoever. With EA calling the shots, it seems plausible they were under time pressure and put together a sloppy ending so they could ship in time. They didn't do anything they promised and, up until now, they haven't really told us anything definite about it. They just continue playing coy, with Hudson announcing there will be DLC in the future.


I just don't think they'd finish the trilogy with something so badly written and put together that several dozen people could come up with something better in a matter of hours after they finished the game (and I'm not only talking about the indoctrination theory; Arkis' alternative ending was very well put together, too) without having a reason for it and possibly working on a significant improvement. They just can't afford doing that. I mean, you guys disagree with us, but you're pissed about the plotholes too, right? How many customers would Bioware lose because of this? How many don't speak up but actually finish the game and think that this was absolutely horrible (not because of the endings themselves but because of everything that is just plain wrong)?

And you know what? It's 100 % pefectly okay for you to believe the indoctrination theory so long as you don't treat it like a solid ending with rock hard evidence because there ISN"T any.

[FrostByte-GER]

Lemondish wrote...

Zaknaberrnon wrote...

moar info on the 1m1 thing, quoting form another thread and adding my own bit after:

F3Zero wrote...

TIMIRIEL sent this to me, anyone want to have at it?

Might help make sense of what BIOWARE wants us to think.

1M1 - i think that's a more inconspicuous way of writing this 1*(M^(-1))

(the formula is used in optics, it actually stands for inverse of focal length, or dioptry,
or convergence...

In Logic, convergence is also the notion that a sequence of transformations come to the same conclusion, no matter what order they are performed in...

maybe it's too far fetched, i don't know
sadly, it fits to well with the "multiple" endings

And heres the clip:


 

my part:

I looked up the definitions for 'convergence' on wikidictionary to see if there were any other interesting meanings, and came across something familiar:

"convergence (countable and uncountable; plural convergences)

   1: The act of moving toward union or uniformity.
        A meeting place.

   2: The intersection of three electron beams for red, green and blue onto a single pixel in a CRT.
    3: (mathematics) The process of approaching some limiting value.
  4:   (physiology) The coordinated focusing of the eyes, especially at short range.
    5: (biology) The evolution of similar structures or traits in unrelated species in similar environments; convergent      evolution.
   6: The merging of distinct technologies, industries, or devices into a unified whole.
"
hmm three different colored explosions for three different choices...

http://en.wiktionary...iki/convergence

That is brilliant. Now...what does it MEAN?!

First: Yeah, thats interesting, because nobody found a solution for the 1m1

second: I asked TRHEE times on twitter what 1m1 stands for, but I never got an answer. I think that the 1m1 isn't only something for the enviroment. There is something important with the 1m1. As someone said: march 15th is the answer

[Tygur]

Still thinking that indoctrination doesn't actually knock Shep out. The beam hits close enough to him to send him flying into rubble and knocks him out. Any time Shep is out or dreaming, the indoctrination seeps in. Its like a brain disease, the reapers at this point arent actively targeting him but he is knocked out and his mind has been slowly poisoned with reaper stuff to take him through this whole citadel scenario. Like the forest in his dreams. His own mind constructs it.

[lex0r11]

killnoob wrote...


Right because you can tell the difference between rubbles. Because you know what the entire citadel is made of.
Because there's absolutely 0 chance that humans bring in their own technology to Citadel in order to adopt better.

Honestly.

again, but you too can't prove your side. i don't mean to be rude or anything, but why don't you go in one of the threads discussing how the indoctrination theory DOENS'T work. just sayin'.

[JulienJaden]

killnoob wrote...

Lemondish wrote...

killnoob wrote...

galaxy366 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

AntariuzX wrote...

Can somebody clarify one thing for me, that makes me question indoctrination theory. If it is all a dream indeed, Shepard is indoctrinated, then why even give him the option to destroy reapers? If reapers got into his mind, then they won, the end. Reapers are just giving him option to kill themselves?

Supposedly, they're saying that

Everything is played out in his head.

The reapers are TRYING to indoctrinate him, with a super long build up (with anderson, with TIM, and everything else) in between before getting to the point.

IF you choose destroy,

You defeat the reapers control and wake up.

But that's not before you hallucinate some more about reapers and mass relay getting blown up.

Then why do we see Shepard alive under rocks? DO KNOW, you don't hear weapons firing, but more metally sound and other strange and creepy noise. Sound more like the Citadel then  Eartg

because Shepard somehow survived after wiping out all reapers, and Shepard is in the ruins of the citadel?
he didn't sacrifice his body if he choose the destroy option.

The ruins of the citadel? Which part do you think is made of cement and rebar?

Right because you can tell the difference between rubbles. Because you know what the entire citadel is made of.
Because there's absolutely 0 chance that humans bring in their own technology to Citadel in order to adopt better.

Honestly.

But he can't survive that explosion. He's at the heart of it. He's outside, only protected by a shield that keeps the air from being vented into space, if it's real. Either way, even Shepard can't survive this, regardless of what the citadel is made of.

[Liquoid]

Little Lummo wrote...

Apologies if this link has been posted, its pretty much known already anyway but figured some might like to read it.

www.computerandvideogames.com/340022/mass-effect-3-86-think-bioware-blew-the-ending/

Reality is, 86% didn't understand the ending and got indoctrinated.

[Lemondish]

killnoob wrote...

Lemondish wrote...

killnoob wrote...

galaxy366 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

AntariuzX wrote...

Can somebody clarify one thing for me, that makes me question indoctrination theory. If it is all a dream indeed, Shepard is indoctrinated, then why even give him the option to destroy reapers? If reapers got into his mind, then they won, the end. Reapers are just giving him option to kill themselves?

Supposedly, they're saying that

Everything is played out in his head.

The reapers are TRYING to indoctrinate him, with a super long build up (with anderson, with TIM, and everything else) in between before getting to the point.

IF you choose destroy,

You defeat the reapers control and wake up.

But that's not before you hallucinate some more about reapers and mass relay getting blown up.

Then why do we see Shepard alive under rocks? DO KNOW, you don't hear weapons firing, but more metally sound and other strange and creepy noise. Sound more like the Citadel then  Eartg

because Shepard somehow survived after wiping out all reapers, and Shepard is in the ruins of the citadel?
he didn't sacrifice his body if he choose the destroy option.

The ruins of the citadel? Which part do you think is made of cement and rebar?

Right because you can tell the difference between rubbles. Because you know what the entire citadel is made of.
Because there's absolutely 0 chance that humans bring in their own technology to Citadel in order to adopt better.

Honestly.

Why would humans bring centuries old technology when they can build metal bulkheads themselves, as evidenced by their fleet of warships. In addition, Anderson shares in ME2 that they'd put up their own bulkheads on the Citadel after Sovereign's attack, but the Keepers would quickly replace them with a seamless wall. I don't know if you're familiar with space, but concrete is not a suitable method of building a space station.

I can tell what concrete rubble looks like because, after all, I was trudging through a blasted out London for awhile back there.

[Capeo]

Lemondish wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Lemondish wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Oh, please, you don't "understand the ending".  You're making crap up that doesn't fit the evidence because you can't face the simple fact that BW wrote crappy endings.

Just as you can't face the evidence that there may be more to this. Confirmation bias, anyone?

If there actual evidence I would face it.  Just a note, actual evidence is a script.  That's real evidence.  The game outright telling you you ended the Reaper threat is real evidence.  The epilogue firing no matter you choice is real evidence.

A leaked script from ages ago. There is no evidence to suggest that this script hasn't been changed drastically since then. A certain of level of iteration is not only expected, but necessary. Clinging to it for dear life, even when the final product is much more relevant AND recent simply shows that you refuse to accept any evidence contrary to your accepted hypothesis.

The game has indoctrinated you against us. Fight it!

The script is exactly the same.  The endings are exactly the same.  By the time it was leaked there was no way to make substantial changes.  So your argument is, though the script has the exact same endings, mentions only TIM being indoctrinated (as shown in the game), says Synergy is the result of perfect game (Joker shown smiling at EDI at the end of the game), BW at some point decided to slip in some bizarre "it's all a dream" ending?  Even though the direct evidence written across the screen after the credits says otherwise?  Even though the direct evidence of the epilogue says otherwise?

Sorry, parsimony excludes this theory.

[TcomJ]

Guys, watch this video and pay attention at 4:15 carefully. It's an AMAZING REVIEW!!!

http://social.biowar...5/index/9901826

[orionshield]

FrostByte-GER wrote...

orionshield wrote...

ALSO IN THE BEGINNING THE LITTLE BOY WITH THE ALLIANCE FIGHTER IN HIS HAND HAS NO SHADOW BUT WHEN THE SCENE CUTS TO SHEPARD YOU IMMEDIATELY SEE SHEPARDS HAND MAKE SHADOW OVER HIS FACE,,,.......THE LITTLE BOY ISN'T REAL AND THE AI AS WELL, WHEN TIM USED INDOCTRINATION ON SHEPARD, LATER SHEPARD WAS DREAMING THE LAST TEN MINIUTES OF THE GAME, HE ACTUALLY PASSED OUT NEXT TO ANDERSON AND WHEN HE HAD A LOSS OF BLOOD, ONE PASSES OUT RIGHT AWAY,,,,THE ENDING IS STILL NOT COMPLETE!

He has a Shadow....

but never when shepard sees him when the camera is behind shepard

[killnoob]

Moshaaver wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Lemondish wrote...

killnoob wrote...

galaxy366 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

AntariuzX wrote...

Can somebody clarify one thing for me, that makes me question indoctrination theory. If it is all a dream indeed, Shepard is indoctrinated, then why even give him the option to destroy reapers? If reapers got into his mind, then they won, the end. Reapers are just giving him option to kill themselves?

Supposedly, they're saying that

Everything is played out in his head.

The reapers are TRYING to indoctrinate him, with a super long build up (with anderson, with TIM, and everything else) in between before getting to the point.

IF you choose destroy,

You defeat the reapers control and wake up.

But that's not before you hallucinate some more about reapers and mass relay getting blown up.

Then why do we see Shepard alive under rocks? DO KNOW, you don't hear weapons firing, but more metally sound and other strange and creepy noise. Sound more like the Citadel then  Eartg

because Shepard somehow survived after wiping out all reapers, and Shepard is in the ruins of the citadel?
he didn't sacrifice his body if he choose the destroy option.

The ruins of the citadel? Which part do you think is made of cement and rebar?

Right because you can tell the difference between rubbles. Because you know what the entire citadel is made of.
Because there's absolutely 0 chance that humans bring in their own technology to Citadel in order to adopt better.

Honestly.

I feel like your criticism arguements that you then turn around and use yourself. It's pretty easy to tell rubble apart unless it's been, like... ionized. WHY would the Alliance bring in giant concrete and rebar buildings? What evidence is their for that.... and do you honestly think in the what... 23rd century... people are using Concrete and Rebar, ESPECIALLY IN SPACE?

People actually LIVE on citadel, you realize that? There are housing districts, cities and such on Citadels.
So you're saying every part of citadel has been ionized because, what, you've seen every part of citadel?

[Psyro]

Anyone notice the similiar appearance in Matrix?

Red pill: wake up and see that u lived in a dream world?
Red choice: Destroy Reaper won the fight of indoctrination, woke up of the Illusion (Ending scene shepard is alife