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[HairyMadDog1010]

crimsontotem wrote...

Auresta wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

N3vDawg wrote...

http://i.imgur.com/tQlte.jpg

woah what? lol that mean Shepard was transporte dot Medical camp in London

Please, question evidence. Some people have pointed out that not everyone gets this message, that it might have been sent at the wrong time, etc. A nice piece of evidence but don't invest your faith entirely in each piece.

maybe people who only chose "Destroy" ending? can anyone confirm that?

Or if she was romanced as well.

[MatthewGold]

crimsontotem wrote...

Auresta wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

N3vDawg wrote...

http://i.imgur.com/tQlte.jpg

woah what? lol that mean Shepard was transporte dot Medical camp in London

Please, question evidence. Some people have pointed out that not everyone gets this message, that it might have been sent at the wrong time, etc. A nice piece of evidence but don't invest your faith entirely in each piece.

maybe people who only chose "Destroy" ending? can anyone confirm that?

I chose Destroy, but never got it.
Then again, I had forgotten to do multiplayer and didn't get the best ending, so I suppose Shep died in my ending.

[Jaxitty]

I love all this theorizing and commenting, but i've been following this since i woke up at 7 am this morning...I'll check back later after I play some of my second imported playthrough

[MrAtomica]

Just saw another suspicious line during the Tali romance scene. She mentions "adapting" to Shepard to overcome the negative reactions.

Shepard: "Is it how we survive? Adapting?"

To which she flatly answers "To a cold, or interspecies contact, yes. To the Reapers, no."

Again, this sounds almost like a description of the Synthesis ending. I get that it's grasping at straws, but it's interesting to note nonetheless.

[IronSabbath88]

Capeo wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Why is it that every person going against this theory just points to the fact that BioWare are either stupid, not that clever, or just flat out dumb?

That's kind of a convulted argument. I could easily say the same about you, but I won't, because I don't have the proof to back that up.

Because we do have proof that BW has never been particularly good writers.  Every game has huge plot holes and they get worse with each game.

So does every game.

[Auresta]

byne wrote...

Auresta wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

N3vDawg wrote...

http://i.imgur.com/tQlte.jpg

woah what? lol that mean Shepard was transporte dot Medical camp in London

Please, question evidence. Some people have pointed out that not everyone gets this message, that it might have been sent at the wrong time, etc. A nice piece of evidence but don't invest your faith entirely in each piece.

Even supposing its its a message sent at the wrong time, when would that be?

If its supposed to be Ash in the hospital, it'd make more sense to say 'They might let you see me today'.

Also, they let you see her even before she wakes up, so why would she be telling you that you might be able to see her sometime soon?

Also, why tell Shepard to hang in there? Ash is the one who is hurt, not Shep.

That's the kind of dialogue that we need. Thank you for addressing my counter.

[lex0r11]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

killnoob wrote...


Right because you can tell the difference between rubbles. Because you know what the entire citadel is made of.
Because there's absolutely 0 chance that humans bring in their own technology to Citadel in order to adopt better.

Honestly.

again, but you too can't prove your side. i don't mean to be rude or anything, but why don't you go in one of the threads discussing how the indoctrination theory DOENS'T work. just sayin'.

*sigh* No one can prove their side. Ever. Even if bioware released something that used this EXACT framework...you just did all the work for them. They just had to take down their notes and go build it. Not that they would, but I'm saying once it's out there it's no longer a prediction but a suggestion.

There are holes in the current theory. Is it better than what we actually got? I'd say it requires more headcanon but that if you apply it liberally, then yes, it is. But that does not make it fact or correct or definitely what Bioware did. It still remains a theory. I think many are just somewhat sick of people throwing it around as the "actual ending" when it's not. No matter how much you believe it to be true the facts don't fall into place well enough. Just be glad everyone found enough evidence to upgrade it from conspiracy theory to an actual theory.

As for why people don't go to other threads...that does not promote healthy discussion. What's the point in posting in threads that will only draw in people who agree with you? Not much of a point, really. Both you, and I, should want dissenting opinions in order to help develop our perspective.

but is it really a discussion, when people just keep bringing up that "bioware is retarded" and nothing else. we get it.
and i didn't want to imply that we could prove anything, sorry. of course there is no evidence for either side.

[Ghost of a Messiah]

Did anyone else here sign the petition for a better ending?

[IronSabbath88]

That Ashley thing also kind of makes me wonder.

Shepard is clearly in no shape to keep fighting, so it does kinda make sense.

Still, not really firm proof, but it's something at least.

[Delular]

Moirai wrote...

Little Lummo wrote...

If only these were options...

http://www.tumblr.co...v2e1CxZd1qh43rr

Thank you for making me laugh.

I second

[Lemondish]

Auresta wrote...

byne wrote...

Auresta wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

N3vDawg wrote...

http://i.imgur.com/tQlte.jpg

woah what? lol that mean Shepard was transporte dot Medical camp in London

Please, question evidence. Some people have pointed out that not everyone gets this message, that it might have been sent at the wrong time, etc. A nice piece of evidence but don't invest your faith entirely in each piece.

Even supposing its its a message sent at the wrong time, when would that be?

If its supposed to be Ash in the hospital, it'd make more sense to say 'They might let you see me today'.

Also, they let you see her even before she wakes up, so why would she be telling you that you might be able to see her sometime soon?

Also, why tell Shepard to hang in there? Ash is the one who is hurt, not Shep.

That's the kind of dialogue that we need. Thank you for addressing my counter.

My Femshep received no such message from Garrus. However, I didn't play multiplayer until after beating it, so I'll go ahead and replay the ending now that my readiness is boosted.

I'm assuming that this occurs once beating and choosing destroy. I'll post anything if I find it.

Modifié par Lemondish, 14 mars 2012 - 06:22 .

[WizenSlinky0]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Why is it that every person going against this theory just points to the fact that BioWare are either stupid, not that clever, or just flat out dumb?

That's kind of a convulted argument. I could easily say the same about you, but I won't, because I don't have the proof to back that up.

It's not that they can't be that clever or that they are dumb. They certainly could be and aren't. The point is there is a reason developers DO NOT NORMALLY DO THIS. Making a game is an insane amount of work. To actively have to think out ways of hiding evidence just well enough to not be proof and just noticable enough to be located...it's insane. It would take you months to plan this stuff out and by any stretch ME3 did not have an exceptionally long development time. Considering what they DID get right and DID fit into the game I'd be amazed they had time to implement something that utterly complex and detailed on the OFF CHANCE someone finds this stuff.

Again, there is a reason developers don't normally do this. If you like the theory, great, enjoy it. But don't treat it as fact, please. It's still a theory for a reason and for every hole plugged the theory becomes more unlikely based solely on statistical probability.

lex0r11 wrote...

but is it really a discussion, when people just keep bringing up that "bioware is retarded" and nothing else. we get it.
and i didn't want to imply that we could prove anything, sorry. of course there is no evidence for either side.

That's not what you said though. I can understand not wanting people who just pointlessly flame Bioware or subscribers to this theory. But that's not what you said.

I'm sorry if I misunderstood your intent.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 14 mars 2012 - 06:23 .

[Delular]

Capeo -- plotholes???

[Auresta]

Lemondish wrote...

Auresta wrote...

byne wrote...

Auresta wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

N3vDawg wrote...

http://i.imgur.com/tQlte.jpg

woah what? lol that mean Shepard was transporte dot Medical camp in London

Please, question evidence. Some people have pointed out that not everyone gets this message, that it might have been sent at the wrong time, etc. A nice piece of evidence but don't invest your faith entirely in each piece.

Even supposing its its a message sent at the wrong time, when would that be?

If its supposed to be Ash in the hospital, it'd make more sense to say 'They might let you see me today'.

Also, they let you see her even before she wakes up, so why would she be telling you that you might be able to see her sometime soon?

Also, why tell Shepard to hang in there? Ash is the one who is hurt, not Shep.

That's the kind of dialogue that we need. Thank you for addressing my counter.

My Femshep received no such message from Garrus. However, I didn't play multiplayer until after beating it, so I'll go ahead and replay the ending now that my readiness is boosted.

I read online that you'd only get it from Ashley, Liara, or Kaidan. Makes sense. Garrus and Tali were never supposed to be romances.

[killnoob]

And the theories continues.

You know, I'm starting to think Bioware is brilliant.

They've managed to create an ending that allows everyone to fill what they want into the blanks.

Seriously,

if you believe in the indoctrination theory/hallucination theory/whatever the **** theory, you have lost your right to complain about the ending because you've done exactly what bioware wants you to do.

Good job Bioware

Let's hope the endings to their next game remain similar to ME3 so it'll get everyone talking.

[Delular]

Do you think that Christopher Nolan helped with the ending of the game???

[MatthewGold]

Stephanie Oeben ‏ @StephanieOeben
@masseffect Thank you for an epic story! The end is sad & I cried, but I have hope for what's coming next. There's still more for Shep, no?

Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@stephanieoeben Thank YOU for playing We have no info on Shep at the moment but ...stay tuned!

[Lemondish]

Auresta wrote...

Lemondish wrote...

Auresta wrote...

byne wrote...

Auresta wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

N3vDawg wrote...

http://i.imgur.com/tQlte.jpg

woah what? lol that mean Shepard was transporte dot Medical camp in London

Please, question evidence. Some people have pointed out that not everyone gets this message, that it might have been sent at the wrong time, etc. A nice piece of evidence but don't invest your faith entirely in each piece.

Even supposing its its a message sent at the wrong time, when would that be?

If its supposed to be Ash in the hospital, it'd make more sense to say 'They might let you see me today'.

Also, they let you see her even before she wakes up, so why would she be telling you that you might be able to see her sometime soon?

Also, why tell Shepard to hang in there? Ash is the one who is hurt, not Shep.

That's the kind of dialogue that we need. Thank you for addressing my counter.

My Femshep received no such message from Garrus. However, I didn't play multiplayer until after beating it, so I'll go ahead and replay the ending now that my readiness is boosted.

I read online that you'd only get it from Ashley, Liara, or Kaidan. Makes sense. Garrus and Tali were never supposed to be romances.

Oh. Well I'll do it anyway, just in case.

And why the hell shouldn't Garrus be a romance?! He's a hell of a lot more interesting than Kaidan ever was (even if Kai is a fellow Canuck from Vancouver and shares my taste in beer).

[Noob451]

killnoob wrote...

And the theories continues.

You know, I'm starting to think Bioware is brilliant.

They've managed to create an ending that allows everyone to fill what they want into the blanks.

Seriously,

if you believe in the indoctrination theory/hallucination theory/whatever the **** theory, you have lost your right to complain about the ending because you've done exactly what bioware wants you to do.

Good job Bioware

Let's hope the endings to their next game remain similar to ME3 so it'll get everyone talking.

thank you for at the very least accepting it.

Modifié par Noob451, 14 mars 2012 - 06:26 .

[Elanor]

Delular wrote...

Moirai wrote...

Little Lummo wrote...

If only these were options...

http://www.tumblr.co...v2e1CxZd1qh43rr

Thank you for making me laugh.

I second

lol

[noobcannon]

Lost Cipher wrote...

Lemondish wrote...

Zaknaberrnon wrote...

moar info on the 1m1 thing, quoting form another thread and adding my own bit after:

F3Zero wrote...

TIMIRIEL sent this to me, anyone want to have at it?

Might help make sense of what BIOWARE wants us to think.

1M1 - i think that's a more inconspicuous way of writing this 1*(M^(-1))

(the formula is used in optics, it actually stands for inverse of focal length, or dioptry,
or convergence...

In Logic, convergence is also the notion that a sequence of transformations come to the same conclusion, no matter what order they are performed in...

maybe it's too far fetched, i don't know
sadly, it fits to well with the "multiple" endings

And heres the clip:


 

my part:

I looked up the definitions for 'convergence' on wikidictionary to see if there were any other interesting meanings, and came across something familiar:

"convergence (countable and uncountable; plural convergences)

   1: The act of moving toward union or uniformity.
        A meeting place.

   2: The intersection of three electron beams for red, green and blue onto a single pixel in a CRT.
    3: (mathematics) The process of approaching some limiting value.
  4:   (physiology) The coordinated focusing of the eyes, especially at short range.
    5: (biology) The evolution of similar structures or traits in unrelated species in similar environments; convergent      evolution.
   6: The merging of distinct technologies, industries, or devices into a unified whole.
"
hmm three different colored explosions for three different choices...

http://en.wiktionary...iki/convergence

That is brilliant. Now...what does it MEAN?!

I understand that we all want the ending to make sense. But do not do this, they are not that clever. And when it comes out that this hallucination theory was wrong and the endings just suck... Everyone is going to be more upset.

I understand that in this thread I am in the minority, but it makes logically more sense that they just screwed up. And that by not talking about it, people will still buy their game. Tomorrow is going to come and go, and so will April... and then May and the rest of the year.

Its over...

silly troll. i've had enough of your disingenuous assertions.

[HairyMadDog1010]

killnoob wrote...

And the theories continues.

You know, I'm starting to think Bioware is brilliant.

They've managed to create an ending that allows everyone to fill what they want into the blanks.

Seriously,

if you believe in the indoctrination theory/hallucination theory/whatever the **** theory, you have lost your right to complain about the ending because you've done exactly what bioware wants you to do.

Good job Bioware

Let's hope the endings to their next game remain similar to ME3 so it'll get everyone talking.

You are not convincing anyone and we are not convincing you so why don't you stop posying here?

[Lemondish]

Bioware to Mass Effect Fanbase: I am assuming direct control.

[Auresta]

Lemondish wrote...

Auresta wrote...

Lemondish wrote...

Auresta wrote...

byne wrote...

Auresta wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

N3vDawg wrote...

http://i.imgur.com/tQlte.jpg

woah what? lol that mean Shepard was transporte dot Medical camp in London

Please, question evidence. Some people have pointed out that not everyone gets this message, that it might have been sent at the wrong time, etc. A nice piece of evidence but don't invest your faith entirely in each piece.

Even supposing its its a message sent at the wrong time, when would that be?

If its supposed to be Ash in the hospital, it'd make more sense to say 'They might let you see me today'.

Also, they let you see her even before she wakes up, so why would she be telling you that you might be able to see her sometime soon?

Also, why tell Shepard to hang in there? Ash is the one who is hurt, not Shep.

That's the kind of dialogue that we need. Thank you for addressing my counter.

My Femshep received no such message from Garrus. However, I didn't play multiplayer until after beating it, so I'll go ahead and replay the ending now that my readiness is boosted.

I read online that you'd only get it from Ashley, Liara, or Kaidan. Makes sense. Garrus and Tali were never supposed to be romances.

Oh. Well I'll do it anyway, just in case.

And why the hell shouldn't Garrus be a romance?! He's a hell of a lot more interesting than Kaidan ever was (even if Kai is a fellow Canuck from Vancouver and shares my taste in beer).

The three were the original romances. They never intended Garrus or Tali but they got such great fan-feedback that they were integrated. But I agree. Garrus

[byne]

killnoob wrote...

And the theories continues.

You know, I'm starting to think Bioware is brilliant.

They've managed to create an ending that allows everyone to fill what they want into the blanks.

Seriously,

if you believe in the indoctrination theory/hallucination theory/whatever the **** theory, you have lost your right to complain about the ending because you've done exactly what bioware wants you to do.

Good job Bioware

Let's hope the endings to their next game remain similar to ME3 so it'll get everyone talking.

Good sir, I shall never relinquish my right to complain about whatever I feel like complaining about at any particular moment.

You know why?

BECAUSE I AM AN AMERICAN, THATS WHAT WE DO!