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[orionshield]

[blooregard]

Capeo wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Why is it that every person going against this theory just points to the fact that BioWare are either stupid, not that clever, or just flat out dumb?

That's kind of a convulted argument. I could easily say the same about you, but I won't, because I don't have the proof to back that up.

Because we do have proof that BW has never been particularly good writers.  Every game has huge plot holes and they get worse with each game.

the biggest plot hole I can think of off the top of my head (except the ending) was the prothean appearence in the codex compared to javik and that was explained by saying "an earlier race" hole patched.


on the topic of the codex somebody mentioned earlier that its impossible for somebody to beat indoctronation which could be easily explained in a similar way the prothean's codex page was: "nobody  has seen it happen". just look at the codex javik is a prothean yet the prothean yet the codex page for them is a husk version of the statues on ilos something javik mentioned as being an earlier race. the codex page for indoctronation says it can't be beat probably because nobody has ever seen someone beat indoctronation

[Delular]

NoobCannon is correct, please stop feeding the trolls.
Go back to 4chan

Modifié par Delular, 14 mars 2012 - 06:26 .

[killnoob]

Noob451 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

And the theories continues.

You know, I'm starting to think Bioware is brilliant.

They've managed to create an ending that allows everyone to fill what they want into the blanks.

Seriously,

if you believe in the indoctrination theory/hallucination theory/whatever the **** theory, you have lost your right to complain about the ending because you've done exactly what bioware wants you to do.

Good job Bioware

Let's hope the endings to their next game remain similar to ME3 so it'll get everyone talking.

thank you for at least accepting it.

accepting what the indoctrination theory?

Still just theory. No facts.

I've accepted, however, that most people are actually pretty happy with the ending since they're content with filling the holes themselves, instead of working together to get bioware to give us the endings that actually matters.

[akawa106]

I'm not sure if any1 covered this but i got one question (not ganna read 400 pages) I like this theory but if this theory were to be true then why does it give you different options if u complete the game with less resources (or combat readiness or wtv they call it) and specifically why would u get some where the only option is destroy.  I dont have the page up that shows all the available endins but i'm sure i saw some that the only option u had to to destroy, and if destroy is the option that the reapers dont want you to have, why make it ur only one?

[Spartas Husky]

All I have to say is this:


watch it, feed, it make it part of you.

[killnoob]

byne wrote...

killnoob wrote...

And the theories continues.

You know, I'm starting to think Bioware is brilliant.

They've managed to create an ending that allows everyone to fill what they want into the blanks.

Seriously,

if you believe in the indoctrination theory/hallucination theory/whatever the **** theory, you have lost your right to complain about the ending because you've done exactly what bioware wants you to do.

Good job Bioware

Let's hope the endings to their next game remain similar to ME3 so it'll get everyone talking.

Good sir, I shall never relinquish my right to complain about whatever I feel like complaining about at any particular moment.

You know why?

BECAUSE I AM AN AMERICAN, THATS WHAT WE DO!

You're awesome for saying that.

I dont know whats your stance on all this

but you're awesome for saying that.

[Delular]

killnoob wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

And the theories continues.

You know, I'm starting to think Bioware is brilliant.

They've managed to create an ending that allows everyone to fill what they want into the blanks.

Seriously,

if you believe in the indoctrination theory/hallucination theory/whatever the **** theory, you have lost your right to complain about the ending because you've done exactly what bioware wants you to do.

Good job Bioware

Let's hope the endings to their next game remain similar to ME3 so it'll get everyone talking.

thank you for at least accepting it.

accepting what the indoctrination theory?

Still just theory. No facts.

I've accepted, however, that most people are actually pretty happy with the ending since they're content with filling the holes themselves, instead of working together to get bioware to give us the endings that actually matters.

It is Inception in a game.
It is brilliant as noted above, if you really can not side with it oh well.

[Noob451]

killnoob wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

And the theories continues.

You know, I'm starting to think Bioware is brilliant.

They've managed to create an ending that allows everyone to fill what they want into the blanks.

Seriously,

if you believe in the indoctrination theory/hallucination theory/whatever the **** theory, you have lost your right to complain about the ending because you've done exactly what bioware wants you to do.

Good job Bioware

Let's hope the endings to their next game remain similar to ME3 so it'll get everyone talking.

thank you for at least accepting it.

accepting what the indoctrination theory?

Still just theory. No facts.

I've accepted, however, that most people are actually pretty happy with the ending since they're content with filling the holes themselves, instead of working together to get bioware to give us the endings that actually matters.

i meant accepting the fact that we enjoy discussing it...  has nothing to do with enjoying the ending.

[WizenSlinky0]

akawa106 wrote...

I'm not sure if any1 covered this but i got one question (not ganna read 400 pages) I like this theory but if this theory were to be true then why does it give you different options if u complete the game with less resources (or combat readiness or wtv they call it) and specifically why would u get some where the only option is destroy.  I dont have the page up that shows all the available endins but i'm sure i saw some that the only option u had to to destroy, and if destroy is the option that the reapers dont want you to have, why make it ur only one?

To the first question as far as I've seen the theory is "more war assets = higher will to fight for shepard".

But the fact destroy is sometimes the only ending is something I...did not consider. Interesting point. Wish I had thought of it.

[byne]

killnoob wrote...

instead of working together to get bioware to give us the endings that actually matters.

Indoctrination theory is just a really convoluted way of allowing Bioware to give us endings that make sense, by claiming the current endings werent real.

I dont think anyone here is actually happy with the endings as they stand.

[lex0r11]

killnoob wrote...

byne wrote...

killnoob wrote...

And the theories continues.

You know, I'm starting to think Bioware is brilliant.

They've managed to create an ending that allows everyone to fill what they want into the blanks.

Seriously,

if you believe in the indoctrination theory/hallucination theory/whatever the **** theory, you have lost your right to complain about the ending because you've done exactly what bioware wants you to do.

Good job Bioware

Let's hope the endings to their next game remain similar to ME3 so it'll get everyone talking.

Good sir, I shall never relinquish my right to complain about whatever I feel like complaining about at any particular moment.

You know why?

BECAUSE I AM AN AMERICAN, THATS WHAT WE DO!

You're awesome for saying that.

I dont know whats your stance on all this

but you're awesome for saying that.

stance? lolz.
byne started this thing.
did you actually hit page one of this thread?

Modifié par lex0r11, 14 mars 2012 - 06:29 .

[Little Lummo]

This time I'm gonna keep a real close eye on that datapad app see if Kaidan sends me any messages!(assuming he does the same as Ash did) I didn't have datapad on first playthrough.

[byne]

lex0r11 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

byne wrote...

killnoob wrote...

And the theories continues.

You know, I'm starting to think Bioware is brilliant.

They've managed to create an ending that allows everyone to fill what they want into the blanks.

Seriously,

if you believe in the indoctrination theory/hallucination theory/whatever the **** theory, you have lost your right to complain about the ending because you've done exactly what bioware wants you to do.

Good job Bioware

Let's hope the endings to their next game remain similar to ME3 so it'll get everyone talking.

Good sir, I shall never relinquish my right to complain about whatever I feel like complaining about at any particular moment.

You know why?

BECAUSE I AM AN AMERICAN, THATS WHAT WE DO!

You're awesome for saying that.

I dont know whats your stance on all this

but you're awesome for saying that.

stance? lolz.
byne started this thing.

Yeah, as OP I figured my stance would be fairly clear.

[Valk72]

MatthewGold wrote...

Stephanie Oeben ‏ @StephanieOeben
@masseffect Thank you for an epic story! The end is sad & I cried, but I have hope for what's coming next. There's still more for Shep, no?

Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@stephanieoeben Thank YOU for playing We have no info on Shep at the moment but ...stay tuned!

That's also supsicious, if there wasn't something more for Shepard, why they wouldn't say it when they have made clear that ME3 is the last chapter of Shepard avdenture?

[Auresta]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

akawa106 wrote...

I'm not sure if any1 covered this but i got one question (not ganna read 400 pages) I like this theory but if this theory were to be true then why does it give you different options if u complete the game with less resources (or combat readiness or wtv they call it) and specifically why would u get some where the only option is destroy.  I dont have the page up that shows all the available endins but i'm sure i saw some that the only option u had to to destroy, and if destroy is the option that the reapers dont want you to have, why make it ur only one?

To the first question as far as I've seen the theory is "more war assets = higher will to fight for shepard".

But the fact destroy is sometimes the only ending is something I...did not consider. Interesting point. Wish I had thought of it.

Something about destroy being the only option means the Reapers do not think of you as a threat. With low EMS = low commitment to the game and involvement in the war effort, you won't live after it anyway. More EMS = more potential for Shepard to really break through, so they offer you more options to steer you away from surviving in Destroy/carrying out your real mission. Not a great argument, though.

This is all assuming that the theory is right.

[Denethar]

Valk72 wrote...

MatthewGold wrote...

Stephanie Oeben ‏ @StephanieOeben
@masseffect Thank you for an epic story! The end is sad & I cried, but I have hope for what's coming next. There's still more for Shep, no?

Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@stephanieoeben Thank YOU for playing We have no info on Shep at the moment but ...stay tuned!

That's also supsicious, if there wasn't something more for Shepard, why they wouldn't say it when they have made clear that ME3 is the last chapter of Shepard avdenture?

Because they don't want people to sell their games.

[Delular]

Valk72 wrote...

MatthewGold wrote...

Stephanie Oeben ‏ @StephanieOeben
@masseffect Thank you for an epic story! The end is sad & I cried, but I have hope for what's coming next. There's still more for Shep, no?

Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@stephanieoeben Thank YOU for playing We have no info on Shep at the moment but ...stay tuned!

That's also supsicious, if there wasn't something more for Shepard, why they wouldn't say it when they have made clear that ME3 is the last chapter of Shepard avdenture?

He may still be in surgeory, I believe Harbi really hurt pour Shep when he activated his Lazor.
Even BioWAre are concerned for him.

[GavinUK86]

At the end of the day, whatever Bioware do, the amazing sci-fi trilogy we know as Mass Effect ended with "we made reapers to kill organics so that that way, organics won’t make synthetics that eventually kill organics". Yes, I feel your pain. Silly, silly Bioware.

[MatthewGold]

Valk72 wrote...

MatthewGold wrote...

Stephanie Oeben ‏ @StephanieOeben
@masseffect Thank you for an epic story! The end is sad & I cried, but I have hope for what's coming next. There's still more for Shep, no?

Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@stephanieoeben Thank YOU for playing We have no info on Shep at the moment but ...stay tuned!

That's also supsicious, if there wasn't something more for Shepard, why they wouldn't say it when they have made clear that ME3 is the last chapter of Shepard avdenture?

I took it as "We will release DLC for Mas Effect 3." Too vague too draw decent conclusions other than that.

[killnoob]

Noob451 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

And the theories continues.

You know, I'm starting to think Bioware is brilliant.

They've managed to create an ending that allows everyone to fill what they want into the blanks.

Seriously,

if you believe in the indoctrination theory/hallucination theory/whatever the **** theory, you have lost your right to complain about the ending because you've done exactly what bioware wants you to do.

Good job Bioware

Let's hope the endings to their next game remain similar to ME3 so it'll get everyone talking.

thank you for at least accepting it.

accepting what the indoctrination theory?

Still just theory. No facts.

I've accepted, however, that most people are actually pretty happy with the ending since they're content with filling the holes themselves, instead of working together to get bioware to give us the endings that actually matters.

i meant accepting the fact that we enjoy discussing it...  has nothing to do with enjoying the ending.

Last time i checked you're all happy with the indoctrination theory being the real ending.

Hell, every time i see a ME3 video on youtube some guy pops up and say its all hallucinations.

If it is as you say, everything is hallucination, then why do you think the ending is crap?

If the endings are not as they are, you would not be discussing about theories, therefore you'd miss out on the enjoyment.

[zoidberg241]

crimsontotem wrote...

Auresta wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

N3vDawg wrote...

http://i.imgur.com/tQlte.jpg

woah what? lol that mean Shepard was transporte dot Medical camp in London

Please, question evidence. Some people have pointed out that not everyone gets this message, that it might have been sent at the wrong time, etc. A nice piece of evidence but don't invest your faith entirely in each piece.

maybe people who only chose "Destroy" ending? can anyone confirm that?

Actually... I chose the synthesis ending, I'm playing through on NG+ now intending to choose Destroy...

No message from Ashley like that on myDatapad

[LenabotSE]

As far as media mindfu**s go, Mass Effect 3's ending isn't even that elaborate when compared to other stories.  As soon as you recognize that it's a trick, it's surprisingly easy to go back and catalogue symbols and evidence that funnel into the theory.  And in some cases, that evidence only seems to be floating around with the sole intent of pointing to the theory.  It's a lot easier to decrypt than, say, some David Lynch movies.  And he's a mindfu** nymphomaniac.  

The only reason I did not see it on my first go-around was because it was unexpected -- Bioware usually presents things at face value.  It's clear the endings were written by a crazy person.  But possibly crazy like a fox.  And they have the element of surprise, because it's so unexpected of them.  Now that I've caught on, it makes pefect sense. at least to someone who's used to having seen a lot of mental twist media that relies very heavily on symbolism.

There's bad writing, but then there's writing that's so nuts and illogical that you have to do a double take to see if they meant something different.  Opponents to the theory have yet to explain why:


- Shepard wakes up in what is very clearly Earth rubble after blowing up a power junction at point blank range, surviving the Citadel's massive explosion, and somehow getting back to the planet in what roughly looks like the same location.  Some have said Shepard went back through the beam, but that's a magic elevator and long jog away from the catalyst in the middle of an explosion - nor does it explain why Shepard is buried under rubble.

- Why, after rousing after Harbinger's attack, there are mountains of specifically modeled Kaidan and Ashley bodies (and ONLY them) surrounding the beam when there weren't any at all prior to Shepard getting knocked out.   And then again on the Citadel, with the doll faces.  Those would have been specially rendered, as "stock bodies" were used throughout the game up until that point, and none of them resembled Ash or Kaidan.

While the entire game points toward gradual indoctrination, these are the two things that are difficult to explain away.  It's not "bad programming" to add a bunch of cloned bodies next to the beam -- not when there had been nothing there before.  If there was meant to be nothing, they would have saved time and money by not putting anything there at all.

Do remember that Shepard is not shown actually getting hit with the laser - it whites out before impact.  Adrenaline, which pumps pretty hard when you're nearly getting hit with a deathray, accelerates and accomodates indoctrination.


So as far as twist endings go, I've had more intense mindfu**s before.  This one was just surprising.  Like being groped on the subway.

Modifié par LenabotSE, 14 mars 2012 - 06:34 .

[Flapperrr]

MatthewGold wrote...

Stephanie Oeben ‏ @StephanieOeben
@masseffect Thank you for an epic story! The end is sad & I cried, but I have hope for what's coming next. There's still more for Shep, no?

Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@stephanieoeben Thank YOU for playing We have no info on Shep at the moment but ...stay tuned!

Well how many it is possible to scoff at us? Told - so or so...

[killnoob]

byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

byne wrote...

killnoob wrote...

And the theories continues.

You know, I'm starting to think Bioware is brilliant.

They've managed to create an ending that allows everyone to fill what they want into the blanks.

Seriously,

if you believe in the indoctrination theory/hallucination theory/whatever the **** theory, you have lost your right to complain about the ending because you've done exactly what bioware wants you to do.

Good job Bioware

Let's hope the endings to their next game remain similar to ME3 so it'll get everyone talking.

Good sir, I shall never relinquish my right to complain about whatever I feel like complaining about at any particular moment.

You know why?

BECAUSE I AM AN AMERICAN, THATS WHAT WE DO!

You're awesome for saying that.

I dont know whats your stance on all this

but you're awesome for saying that.

stance? lolz.
byne started this thing.

Yeah, as OP I figured my stance would be fairly clear.

I never liked Americans anyway.

No matter how awesome they are.