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[lavosslayer]

littleork wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Posting this again because I sitll want clarification

But if the Normandy crashing is a hallucination then the relays couldn't have been destroyed in that ending. otherwise the Normandy wouldn't have crashed.

Unless.... The relays being destroyed in the cinematic were actually, for lack of a better word, indoctrination programs being destroyed in Shepard's brain.

And holy crap, either I'm indoctrinated by Bioware into thinkign this is good, or I've gone off the deepend and rationalizing so hard that it makes sense.

I dont think the relays were destroyed since you are hallucinating EVERYTHING.

I agree however even in the destroy ending they explode so I don't know why people are saying they don't...I just did the ending again this morning, the only difference is the color of light that enters them before they go BOOM (its red in destroy instead of blue or green in the others)

[GBGriffin]

Gam3Ov3r wrote...

 I just rewatched the clip where shepard is alive and you can hear wind blowing further proving he/she is back on earth and not the citadel

The clip I found had obnoxious rock music over it. 

Holy ****.


Okay, I seriously need to calm down before this leads to an even bigger disappointment. 

Is there anyone who can argue against this being a hallucination or indoctrination ending? As in, take the points people have presented here and refute them? I don't want to just buy into this because it builds my hopes up. I'd like to hear both sides WITHOUT starting a flame war >_<

Modifié par GBGriffin, 11 mars 2012 - 05:56 .

[mupp3tz]

Question: Has anybody beat the game with an ME3 import who received the Stargazer ending?

[Evindell]

LadyVakarian wrote...

I have been lurking and I am currently at page 38, but I needed to post this, I thought it was kind of a weird thing for the Reapers to do in the first place. So in light of that, I created this meme:

I love this so much, so I'm keeping the picture in there, instead of "snipping" it out.



This actually made me laugh out loud. Something that is rare considering I just finished the game last night and have been raging against it ever since.

[ceruleancrescent]

lookingglassmind wrote...

ceruleancrescent wrote...

That cavern in the citadel reminded me of the electric moving plates that ran the Shadow Broker ship, and the old Shadow Broker made deals with the collecters/reapers...

And also after the blast from Harbinger, Shepard's armor is completely charred, cracked, and ulmost unrecognizable. During the breathing scene, the armor seems more stable and solid, does not seems charred, and does not seem to have the rupture on the left side from which Shepard was bleeding from.

Although I've only played it through once and I'd have to do it again to double check what I saw so I could be wrong, all of this is just so interesting. There are just too many peculiar things that occur...

Also? You speak of armour, but Shepard wasn't wearing any! S/he was wearing the casual attire from the Normandy! How is this possible to go from being in full armour, firing at Harbinger, to being in casual clothes, firing an endless gun?

That seems like charred, broken armor to me, not casual clothes. But the endless gun and being unable to save does seem fishy
*EDIT* Looking at the breathing scene, Shepard is still wearing the charred armor, but it doesn't seem punctured and Shepard is not wearing the N7 dog tags above that they are wearing in the breathing scene.

Modifié par ceruleancrescent, 11 mars 2012 - 06:01 .

[Hiyanu]

This was probably mentioned already but I couldn't be bothered to read all around...

I can be satisfied if it was all a hallucination and it was Biowares intention to make it so and come up with DLC that had the actual conclusion all together. I would feel quite disappointed if this were the case, however satisfied (only because the ending we have now is not the true ending). I don't want to get into ideas of bioware doing this in order to be a very most clever marketing ploy to give us something completely disappointing in order to make what they really have planned absolutely remarkable.

Like giving a 16 year old kid a hotwheels car for his birthday, and later actually giving him keys to his new car. ---in this case if this is what bioware had planned it is quite upsetting---

If it is intentional that this is the true ending they have planned since day one for mass effect then many of us truly hope they will fix it.

Supporting a change to theend of a game we have loved for years, hopefully years to come.

[FugitiveMind]

Ok, time to crash and refresh thread catch up in the morning (after losing an hour, stupid daylight savings time)

Keep theorizing all!

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

FugitiveMind wrote...

I'm of the mind that NOTHING post harby-beam happened...

No chat with anderson, no chat with tim, no 3 card monte with the glow in the dark god child, no relays exploding, no pandora crash

It was all the battle for Shepard's mind. Now that it's over with the quick breath in the rock and conrete of London, we either
A) headcanon the ending or
get supplied the actual one later (actually with this uproar it better be sooner)

None of it happened, we're right at the restart mission save into la-la land.

Why?

Because if this was all the master plan, and everyone gets the ending at the same time or whatever conspiracy theory you believe, you'll play through the battle for shepards mind again, but then it will keep going with the new/unlocked content.

If we headcanon it, it doesn't matter anyway except how I want to thank this thread for deeply enriching my headcanon more than I could have managed alone

Wow.  That makes a lot of sense.  Although the chance of surviving a reaper laser is slim to none, I would be okay with the idea that Shepard was knocked out from the blast (protected by some rubble or something) and he had been dreaming ever since he supposedly stood up and entered the Citadel.  Otherwise, can you imagine the Illusive Man charging in there by himself and not getting killed in the process?  Really, what the hell?

[littleork]

lavosslayer wrote...

littleork wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Posting this again because I sitll want clarification

But if the Normandy crashing is a hallucination then the relays couldn't have been destroyed in that ending. otherwise the Normandy wouldn't have crashed.

Unless.... The relays being destroyed in the cinematic were actually, for lack of a better word, indoctrination programs being destroyed in Shepard's brain.

And holy crap, either I'm indoctrinated by Bioware into thinkign this is good, or I've gone off the deepend and rationalizing so hard that it makes sense.

I dont think the relays were destroyed since you are hallucinating EVERYTHING.

I agree however even in the destroy ending they explode so I don't know why people are saying they don't...I just did the ending again this morning, the only difference is the color of light that enters them before they go BOOM (its red in destroy instead of blue or green in the others)

I though they were just not exploding in the control option, dont know why people said the red one. The relays wont explode if you are imagining everything since you HAVENT done anything yet, you are *unsconcious* on Earth.

[krystalevenstar]

I just thought of something new that could possibly relate in some fashion. During the Cerberus HQ mission, the first console you can look at has 3 logged entries about The Lazarus Project. During one of these entries, my femshep has a mini-crisis about how 'Maybe I'm just a really advanced VI who thinks they're Commander Shepard', (To which my LI Kaiden cutely responds that She's real enough for him :3) But maybe that 'throwaway line' has some more significance to it. Maybe if Shepard is synthetic enough, the Prothean VI can't sense the Indoctrination on her.

[Pheonix57]

What should have happened:

Catalyst: You, Shepard, will not survive regardless of the choice you make.
Shepard: Okay, how about this, I'll give you my gun and you can shoot the console over there. Meanwhile, I'll go back to Earth with my Turian-lover and all our friends, and we'll watch the Citadel explode-red from there. Sound good? Great. See ya!
Catalyst: I told you she wouldn't fall for it.
Harbinger: We are so ****ed.

Modifié par Pheonix57, 11 mars 2012 - 05:59 .

[lookingglassmind]

ceruleancrescent wrote...





That seems like charred, broken armor to me, not casual clothes. But the endless gun and being unable to save does seem fishy

Hey, thanks. Looks like I was selectively remembering that bit. :S I appreciate the screen-capture.

[Sajuro]

lookingglassmind wrote...

ceruleancrescent wrote...

That cavern in the citadel reminded me of the electric moving plates that ran the Shadow Broker ship, and the old Shadow Broker made deals with the collecters/reapers...

And also after the blast from Harbinger, Shepard's armor is completely charred, cracked, and ulmost unrecognizable. During the breathing scene, the armor seems more stable and solid, does not seems charred, and does not seem to have the rupture on the left side from which Shepard was bleeding from.

Although I've only played it through once and I'd have to do it again to double check what I saw so I could be wrong, all of this is just so interesting. There are just too many peculiar things that occur...

Also? You speak of armour, but Shepard wasn't wearing any! S/he was wearing the casual attire from the Normandy! How is this possible to go from being in full armour, firing at Harbinger, to being in casual clothes, firing an endless gun?

His casual attire armor was what Phantom Shepard was wearing.

[krystalevenstar]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Question: Has anybody beat the game with an ME3 import who received the Stargazer ending?

My original endgame had the Stargazer ending after the credits and my game was imported all the way from my original ME1 playthrough,

[Golferguy758]

But in control and synthetic the relays aren't blown up, they are shut down...

The destruction of the relays in the red ending have to be the indoctrination protocols in Shepard's brain being destroyed!

I feel like joker now: " Holy ****! holy ****!

Modifié par Golferguy758, 11 mars 2012 - 06:02 .

[Elenterx]

krystalevenstar wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Question: Has anybody beat the game with an ME3 import who received the Stargazer ending?

My original endgame had the Stargazer ending after the credits and my game was imported all the way from my original ME1 playthrough,

Yeah I got that one, I thought everyone did.

Hm.

[BeLana]

After such an amazing series...the ups and downs...the tears and the laughter...to end like that...WTF…but, if the hallucination turns out to be it, and BW did it intentionally (as in it was planned all along and not just a quick cover up after they read this thread), then we will all have to take a step back and bow to the masters. That my fellow Sheps would be a master stroke of story telling and manipulation...to take so many so far down (talk about getting punched in the face hole) and then to lift them back up...it would be legendary, but only if it was planned this way.

Besides, Shep still has a house to build and blue babies to make...at least I'll hold out hope...

[mupp3tz]

krystalevenstar wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Question: Has anybody beat the game with an ME3 import who received the Stargazer ending?

My original endgame had the Stargazer ending after the credits and my game was imported all the way from my original ME1 playthrough,

No, I mean, importing THAT game and finishing it again?  I'm just wondering if there's any change, perhaps.

[Raveyn]

So here's another small log on this fire.

Depending on how you played ME1, you could convince Saren that he's indoctrinated. The result? He kills himself to be free.

Depending on how you played ME3, You can convince the Illusive Man that he's indoctrinated. The result? He kills himself to be free.

For the Destroy option, Shepard is told that he can break the cycle, but it will kill him in the process. The result? 

Modifié par Raveyn, 11 mars 2012 - 06:03 .

[ceruleancrescent]

lookingglassmind wrote... 

Hey, thanks. Looks like I was selectively remembering that bit. :S I appreciate the screen-capture.

No problem! 

Modifié par ceruleancrescent, 11 mars 2012 - 06:03 .

[DifferentD17]

Pheonix57 wrote...

What should have happened:

Catalyst: You, Shepard, will not survive regardless of the choice you make.
Shepard: Okay, how about this, I'll give you my gun and you can shoot the console over there. Meanwhile, I'll go back to Earth with my Turian-lover and all our friends, and we'll watch the Citadel explode-red from there. Sound good? Great. See ya!
Catalyst: I told you she wouldn't fall for it.
Harbinger: We are so ****ed.

How about I tell Joker to pick me up since we're out in space, and I just tell Garrus to snipe it from 100 feet away? win/win.

[krystalevenstar]

Golferguy758 wrote...

But in control and synthetic the relays aren't blown up, they are shut down...

The destruction of the relays in the red ending have to be the indoctrination protocols in Shepard's brain being destroyed!

I feel like joker now: " Holy ****! holy ****!

The relays explode in every single ending, I just played them all this morning.

[lookingglassmind]

krystalevenstar wrote...

I just thought of something new that could possibly relate in some fashion. During the Cerberus HQ mission, the first console you can look at has 3 logged entries about The Lazarus Project. During one of these entries, my femshep has a mini-crisis about how 'Maybe I'm just a really advanced VI who thinks they're Commander Shepard', (To which my LI Kaiden cutely responds that She's real enough for him :3) But maybe that 'throwaway line' has some more significance to it. Maybe if Shepard is synthetic enough, the Prothean VI can't sense the Indoctrination on her.

Hmm. But then, if that's the case, I would have to wonder if the VI would just recognize a synthetic and say so. But I did find that whole conversation very curious, and weirdly timed. Why so close to the end is Shepard finally depicted as having this identity crisis about being a VI?

Also, we don't know how 'synthetic' Kai Leng was when the VI recognized him as an indoctrinated presence. He seems pretty synthetic to me, with that hawt facial mask and goggle set. So, theoretically, the VI might have been able to recognize Shepard as being indoctrinated, even if highly synthetic. Which brings an interesting thought: I should have brought EDI on that mission, just to potentially rule out the possibility of her being indoctrinated/impregnated with indoctrinating tech or code.

[rogueagent6]

lookingglassmind wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

The destruction of the relays. Happen or not?

Happened.

Not necessairly. If everything that happened was a hallucination, then none of that happened. All of this is going on in Shepard's mind immediately after Harby's laser blast, and Shepard hasn't even reached the beam.

Sorry if this has already been pointed out, was going back through ME: Retribution to see if there was evidence of the growling upon interruption of direct control. =P Unfortunately I couldn't find anything, but then again I was half skimming, half speed reading.

Modifié par rogueagent6, 11 mars 2012 - 06:07 .

[littleork]

Raveyn wrote...

So here's another small log on this fire.

Depending on how you played ME1, you could convince Saren that he's indoctrinated. The result? He kills himself to be free.

Depending on how you played ME3, You can convince the Illusive Man that he's indoctrinated. The result? He kills himself to be free.

For the Destroy option, Shepard is told that he can break the cycle, but it will kill him in the process. The result? 

Shepard=strong-willed , liara was right!  Love your input!