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[killnoob]

Noob451 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Many of us have moved over to a calmer and controlled environment for open theorycrafting discussion. If you're tired of repeating yourself, fighting in point-less arguments, and dealing with the trolls infecting the thread, we have a new home base, completely troll free and friendly towards all theorists and fans.

PM me to be directed to this theorycrafting haven.

Translation: Lets all retreat into a greenhouse where no one can ever tell us why our theory doesn't work!

Good for you guys.

I respect the theorycrafters I had arguements on here so much more than those who left because they don't like their idea being challeneged

why, thank you.

No problem.

I'll tell you this now as long as you stay in this thread and doesn't afraid whatever arguement i throw at you,

You have my respect.

[Getorex]

mrufka_z wrote...

Guys, it's the other way around - it's not Shep who was indoctrinated. Harbinger ID'd Bioware, so they wouldn't give us "proper" ending. And now he's sitting in his base, smoking a cigar and laughing at us...

(this post was sponsored by letter "B" - as in I Believe in ID theory).

If by Harbinger you actually mean "EA" then, yeah, I'll go with that.

I'd like to know how many of the people working ME3 were there actually working on ME1.  I want to gauge how much of a "labor of love" this miscarriage was.  I suspect some carpetbaggers who weren't there for ME1 trying to claim "labor of love" for something they don't know jack squat about.

[Elanor]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Alexjenko wrote...

http://arkis.deviant...ILERS-289902125

http://dl.dropbox.co...31384088609.jpg

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So sad... ;/

[lex0r11]

Elenterx wrote...

kyrieee wrote...

Can anyone confirm this?

"As soon as the kid runs away, I turned around and ran from him and guess what happened?

A whisper says "Shepard" in a human voice and the kid cries, forcing my Shepard to turn around.

I turn around again, doing the same thing and guess what happened the second time?

A whisper says "Shepard" in Harbinger's voice, or at least one similar enough to mistake it. This was tested on the dream right after the resolution of the genophage plot-line." "

I'm actually at the reaper @ genophage plotline on insanity, I'll let you know with in the hour if this is legit.

i belive somone either identified it as 'altered' wrex or even talis voice. couldn't really be heard.

[Auresta]

Elanor1 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Alexjenko wrote...

http://arkis.deviant...ILERS-289902125

http://dl.dropbox.co...31384088609.jpg

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So sad... ;/

Some of the stuff in that second link is bull**** propaganda from the people who are angry at Bioware.

[byne]

killnoob wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Many of us have moved over to a calmer and controlled environment for open theorycrafting discussion. If you're tired of repeating yourself, fighting in point-less arguments, and dealing with the trolls infecting the thread, we have a new home base, completely troll free and friendly towards all theorists and fans.

PM me to be directed to this theorycrafting haven.

Translation: Lets all retreat into a greenhouse where no one can ever tell us why our theory doesn't work!

Good for you guys.

I respect the theorycrafters I had arguements on here so much more than those who left because they don't like their idea being challeneged

why, thank you.

No problem.

I'll tell you this now as long as you stay in this thread and doesn't afraid whatever arguement i throw at you,

You have my respect.

I'm a pretty cool guy. i start super long threads and doesnt afraid of anything.

[RedSpectrum47]

Ironically, I hope that one of us will eventually (hopefully very soon) be able to post a "we should apologize to Bioware"thread

[phyreblade74]

killnoob wrote...

So you're basically saying that reaper deliberately give Shepard a chance to destroy them?

OR

Is it a lot easier to believe that they simply consider Shepar insignificant at this point and just blind shootingand trying to kill everything that moves?

Actually, if it's all in Shepard's mind, there is no REAL chance Shepard is destroying them, right?  In other words, there is no REAL finger on the button.  The choice Shepard makes isn't a REAL one, it's all illusory.  Or more, it's all SYMBOLIC.  Choose one way, Shepard is truly indocrinated.  But choose another way and he breaks free of the indoctrination attempt.

Perhaps you'll "get it" if you think of the red pill / blue pill scenario from "The Matrix".  It's not like you're considering an actual physical pill, anyway.  It's more an idea, an illusion, that ultimately determines what form your reality will eventually take.  But "the pill" is always just a manifestation of your mind, not an actual thing you can pick up and hold.

It's important, I think, to consider Shepard not as being actually indoctrinated.  If we're going to buy the notion indoctrination is a process, we have to consider how that process actually works.  Bioware is examining the inner workings of a mind in the process of being indoctrinated, not one already lost to the disease, I mean.  What would someone struggling against indoctrination really see, feel, think, what form or thought process would they be enduring, what does it really look like, feel like, if you were that person?  From that perspective, the story becomes incredibly nuanced a telling, especially if it's not clarified by anyone just yet that that is what's really happening.  And, yes, I really do think the writers and artists at Bioware are talented enough to tell THAT sort of story, to "pull it off", iow.

Every game I've played includes something of a "boss fight" towards the ending of the game.  Some people have comlained they didn't get one in ME3.  Perhaps, rather, it's only the boss fight was subtle and mental, rather than a physical shooting match of an encounter.  My question becomes, at that point, what happens next.  If you'd rather see it as all done and over with, however, that's cool, too.  I only think there's more going on than what we've yet seen, is all.

[BlackDragonBane]

killnoob wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Many of us have moved over to a calmer and controlled environment for open theorycrafting discussion. If you're tired of repeating yourself, fighting in point-less arguments, and dealing with the trolls infecting the thread, we have a new home base, completely troll free and friendly towards all theorists and fans.

PM me to be directed to this theorycrafting haven.

Translation: Lets all retreat into a greenhouse where no one can ever tell us why our theory doesn't work!

Good for you guys.

I respect the theorycrafters I had arguements on here so much more than those who left because they don't like their idea being challeneged

That is not what the new forum is for. It's where those of us who are discussing the theory from both views can continue the discussion WITHOUT all the blatant raging that is going on. The arguing is the result of angry fans who don't bother to attempt to back up their counter arguments and come here to say 'bioware sucks'

If you believe yourself to be a logical theorist who can debate and counter-argue properly, then by all means, come join in. But if you're going to just sit there and go 'you're wrong because bioware sucks' then you will find nothing but ridicule in this place.

The new haven is for those of us who are tired of repeating ourselves and having to put up with raging fans who miss the entire point of the whole topic and just come for the sake of derailing it. It's a cleaner and more mature environment.

[Getorex]

The easiest way to see the ending of ME3 is to look at it as a joke that falls flat. If you have to go on to explain the punchline...well, give it up. You cannot save the joke once it falls flat and needs the joke teller to explain why it's funny.

The ending of ME3 falls flat. It needs the story teller to explain WTF. It's already lost at this point but still, would be nice to have an explanation for dropping the ball, for LYING to fans.

[lex0r11]

RedSpectrum47 wrote...

Ironically, I hope that one of us will eventually (hopefully very soon) be able to post a "we should apologize to Bioware"thread

well, some of the stuff that has been posted on twitter, here and so on since all this started doesn't really help anyone.

that's what internet anonymity does to people.
"go to hell bioware"
"get cancer" yeah, very funny, right?

[Lurchibald]

RedSpectrum47 wrote...

Ironically, I hope that one of us will eventually (hopefully very soon) be able to post a "we should apologize to Bioware"thread

Why? Regardless whether or not we are right that the current ending of theirs isn't the "True" ending, Bioware will still have done what they did.

[killnoob]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

killnoob wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...


let me ask you this, do you consider yourself a fan of this franchise? why is this bad?
if they don't have a plan in place, then this is considered feedback in form of ideas, the whole board is packed with it. but if they have a plan, this is just an idea how it could work and how they might try to do it. and as far as i can remember, this is how dlc can actually be implemented in a good way. because the whole thing was a hallucination.

A fan of the franchise would compare this muck of an ending to every other endings in the previous series, and see how they're trying to excuse themselves from lazy writing. It's the same reason why they PHOTOSHOPED Tali's face from a stock photo instead of actually developing a good enough interpetation of what is.

They simply got buggered by EA deadlines and decided an open ending would be best because they know no matter how many people see through their bull****, some fan will always create some conspiracy theory to fix it for them, no matter how many plotholes there are in the orignial and how many plotholes there are in the conspiracy theory.

And kudos to them

It's turned out pretty damn well so far.

While I certainly see your argument. There is a difference to discussing a theory and actually playing a real implication of it. Right now this is essentially providing hope for the hopeless to use a bit dramatic definition. Over time people will sour if BioWare just sits back and does nothing. The threats made by the fanbase have far greater ammunition than in the past because of the sheer volume of hatred. When nearly the entirety of your fanbase is angered, you best do everything possible to appease, lest you watch them walk away.

If they make this actual DLC, then I'm content enough to call it a compromise. Would it have been better to have on the disc from the onset? Probably. Is this better than what we have now? Undoubtedly.

Right, except this wouldn't be their DLC.

They would only make this because the fans picked up on it.

AKA they did another fan service which appease to only some of the fan

Same deal with Tali's face.

As a fan of the series, I want the original writers of ME on this.

I want the original script, let it be the dark energy or whatever.

Not this ****ty ending that make no sense and require fans to fill in and fix the plot holes for them.

I don't want it to turn it to some kind of mind rape and they have to make DLC to milk more cash from fans.

I don't want them to be lazy and fall prey to EA's deadline constrain (Once again, after DA2), especially when
ME 3 is the finaly installment and everything is riding on this game.

Do you understand where I'm coming from?

[LenabotSE]

killnoob, I must commend you on your masterful trolling.

[Yavin IV]

Maybe the ending is not a riddle, maybe just maybe BioWare did that so we could have something to guess about since it is the last game.


__________________________________________________________________________________Everyone should be respected as an individual, but no one idolized. - Albert Einstein

[killnoob]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

killnoob wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Many of us have moved over to a calmer and controlled environment for open theorycrafting discussion. If you're tired of repeating yourself, fighting in point-less arguments, and dealing with the trolls infecting the thread, we have a new home base, completely troll free and friendly towards all theorists and fans.

PM me to be directed to this theorycrafting haven.

Translation: Lets all retreat into a greenhouse where no one can ever tell us why our theory doesn't work!

Good for you guys.

I respect the theorycrafters I had arguements on here so much more than those who left because they don't like their idea being challeneged

That is not what the new forum is for. It's where those of us who are discussing the theory from both views can continue the discussion WITHOUT all the blatant raging that is going on. The arguing is the result of angry fans who don't bother to attempt to back up their counter arguments and come here to say 'bioware sucks'

If you believe yourself to be a logical theorist who can debate and counter-argue properly, then by all means, come join in. But if you're going to just sit there and go 'you're wrong because bioware sucks' then you will find nothing but ridicule in this place.

The new haven is for those of us who are tired of repeating ourselves and having to put up with raging fans who miss the entire point of the whole topic and just come for the sake of derailing it. It's a cleaner and more mature environment.

If that's the case, then I apologize.

I thought otherwise.

[RedSpectrum47]

Lurchibald wrote...

RedSpectrum47 wrote...

Ironically, I hope that one of us will eventually (hopefully very soon) be able to post a "we should apologize to Bioware"thread

Why? Regardless whether or not we are right that the current ending of theirs isn't the "True" ending, Bioware will still have done what they did.

As angry as I was, you have to admit that some people did get a bit over the top, hooray for understatements

[Elanor]

Auresta wrote...

Elanor1 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Alexjenko wrote...

http://arkis.deviant...ILERS-289902125

http://dl.dropbox.co...31384088609.jpg

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So sad... ;/

Some of the stuff in that second link is bull**** propaganda from the people who are angry at Bioware.

Some yes, but some stuff is not a bul****.

[ArkkAngel007]

Getorex wrote...

The easiest way to see the ending of ME3 is to look at it as a joke that falls flat. If you have to go on to explain the punchline...well, give it up. You cannot save the joke once it falls flat and needs the joke teller to explain why it's funny.

The ending of ME3 falls flat. It needs the story teller to explain WTF. It's already lost at this point but still, would be nice to have an explanation for dropping the ball, for LYING to fans.

You made your point.  Many times.  Time to move on, as you aren't contributing anything at this point.  At this point, why waste your time on something that you don't care for?  You aren't going to change your mind if BioWare does anything with the ending or leaves it be.  You have it set.  No sense in pushing it on people who feel that there could be more to it. 

Anyways, I just don't get why you continue to come in here and turn it into the "I guess we don't get the ending we wanted" thread.  This is not what this discussion is about.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 14 mars 2012 - 07:49 .

[BlackDragonBane]

killnoob wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

killnoob wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Many of us have moved over to a calmer and controlled environment for open theorycrafting discussion. If you're tired of repeating yourself, fighting in point-less arguments, and dealing with the trolls infecting the thread, we have a new home base, completely troll free and friendly towards all theorists and fans.

PM me to be directed to this theorycrafting haven.

Translation: Lets all retreat into a greenhouse where no one can ever tell us why our theory doesn't work!

Good for you guys.

I respect the theorycrafters I had arguements on here so much more than those who left because they don't like their idea being challeneged

That is not what the new forum is for. It's where those of us who are discussing the theory from both views can continue the discussion WITHOUT all the blatant raging that is going on. The arguing is the result of angry fans who don't bother to attempt to back up their counter arguments and come here to say 'bioware sucks'

If you believe yourself to be a logical theorist who can debate and counter-argue properly, then by all means, come join in. But if you're going to just sit there and go 'you're wrong because bioware sucks' then you will find nothing but ridicule in this place.

The new haven is for those of us who are tired of repeating ourselves and having to put up with raging fans who miss the entire point of the whole topic and just come for the sake of derailing it. It's a cleaner and more mature environment.

If that's the case, then I apologize.

I thought otherwise.

I accept your apology. Many of us are saddened to see how this thread has turned out... as this picture will illustrate pretty well in my opinion

[krystalevenstar]

killnoob wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Many of us have moved over to a calmer and controlled environment for open theorycrafting discussion. If you're tired of repeating yourself, fighting in point-less arguments, and dealing with the trolls infecting the thread, we have a new home base, completely troll free and friendly towards all theorists and fans.

PM me to be directed to this theorycrafting haven.

Translation: Lets all retreat into a greenhouse where no one can ever tell us why our theory doesn't work!

Good for you guys.

I respect the theorycrafters I had arguements on here so much more than those who left because they don't like their idea being challeneged

why, thank you.

No problem.

I'll tell you this now as long as you stay in this thread and doesn't afraid whatever arguement i throw at you,

You have my respect.

We're not 'hiding' away from people who have counter arguments. We're avoiding a lot of trolls who were totally derailing the thread last night and spiraling off topic into things like, how the game is going to cause suicide rates in japan to skyrocket. Arguements are welcome, stupidity is not.

[Getorex]

Yavin IV wrote...

Maybe the ending is not a riddle, maybe just maybe BioWare did that so we could have something to guess about since it is the last game.


__________________________________________________________________________________Everyone should be respected as an individual, but no one idolized. - Albert Einstein

Maybe Bioware decided to self-destruct, toss gamer goodwill into the toilet and give it a nice flush.  Maybe Bioware is tired of making good games and wants to go into a commodity game market full of empty bubbles and cutesy worms or Mario's jumping from platform to platform.  No thought, no logic, no imersion necessary. 

Maybe all the good writers and coders at Bioware left after ME1 and continued trickling away with ME2 and finally only a few hopeless stalwarts remain in a sea of dead head losers and money-grubbers.

Labor of love my ass.  The love they feel is the money that the anticipation for ME3 brought.  Wonder how they are loving the big drop in sales for ME3 now that fan reviews are painting the true picture instead of the bullcrap picture painted by ALL commercial game mags that HAVE to give good reviews to games or lose advertising money.  

[mooney6023]

killnoob wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Many of us have moved over to a calmer and controlled environment for open theorycrafting discussion. If you're tired of repeating yourself, fighting in point-less arguments, and dealing with the trolls infecting the thread, we have a new home base, completely troll free and friendly towards all theorists and fans.

PM me to be directed to this theorycrafting haven.

Translation: Lets all retreat into a greenhouse where no one can ever tell us why our theory doesn't work!

Good for you guys.

I respect the theorycrafters I had arguements on here so much more than those who left because they don't like their idea being challeneged

why, thank you.

No problem.

I'll tell you this now as long as you stay in this thread and doesn't afraid whatever arguement i throw at you,

You have my respect.

Straight from tvtropes on trolls:

 Troll messages are often characterized by poor grammar, poor punctuation, excessive use of net slang and CAPS. Whether this is real illiteracy or an additional attempt to garner a response depends on the individual. 

[noobcannon]

kyrieee wrote...

Can anyone confirm this?

"As soon as the kid runs away, I turned around and ran from him and guess what happened?

A whisper says "Shepard" in a human voice and the kid cries, forcing my Shepard to turn around.

I turn around again, doing the same thing and guess what happened the second time?

A whisper says "Shepard" in Harbinger's voice, or at least one similar enough to mistake it. This was tested on the dream right after the resolution of the genophage plot-line." "

i tested this and i could've sworn it was wrex's voice.

[killnoob]

LenabotSE wrote...

killnoob, I must commend you on your masterful trolling.

Nah seriously though,

If you can explain to me, with a clear, obvious answer as to why Harbringer would suddenly change his mind and decide to indoctrinate Shepard after knocking him out with a "deathly laser' that is supposed to be used for killing, then I'm all for the indoctrination theory.

Otherwise,

I'll just stick to my own theory that Shepard doesn't exist and is merely a fictional character created by the Stargazer in order to entertain his grand son.