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[Thermorium]

http://mattrhodes.deviantart.com/
http://mattrhodesart.blogspot.com/

Just wanted to post this here. It's kinda off-topic (also on-topic depending how you look at it),

Matt Rhodes does some of the art for ME and DA (AFAIK), and he recently posted these pictures on his DeviantArt account / blog.
The picture with EDI/Joker is called Crashed on Eden.

[Debi-Tage]

killnoob wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

killnoob wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...


let me ask you this, do you consider yourself a fan of this franchise? why is this bad?
if they don't have a plan in place, then this is considered feedback in form of ideas, the whole board is packed with it. but if they have a plan, this is just an idea how it could work and how they might try to do it. and as far as i can remember, this is how dlc can actually be implemented in a good way. because the whole thing was a hallucination.

A fan of the franchise would compare this muck of an ending to every other endings in the previous series, and see how they're trying to excuse themselves from lazy writing. It's the same reason why they PHOTOSHOPED Tali's face from a stock photo instead of actually developing a good enough interpetation of what is.

They simply got buggered by EA deadlines and decided an open ending would be best because they know no matter how many people see through their bull****, some fan will always create some conspiracy theory to fix it for them, no matter how many plotholes there are in the orignial and how many plotholes there are in the conspiracy theory.

And kudos to them

It's turned out pretty damn well so far.

While I certainly see your argument. There is a difference to discussing a theory and actually playing a real implication of it. Right now this is essentially providing hope for the hopeless to use a bit dramatic definition. Over time people will sour if BioWare just sits back and does nothing. The threats made by the fanbase have far greater ammunition than in the past because of the sheer volume of hatred. When nearly the entirety of your fanbase is angered, you best do everything possible to appease, lest you watch them walk away.

If they make this actual DLC, then I'm content enough to call it a compromise. Would it have been better to have on the disc from the onset? Probably. Is this better than what we have now? Undoubtedly.

Right, except this wouldn't be their DLC.

They would only make this because the fans picked up on it.

AKA they did another fan service which appease to only some of the fan

Same deal with Tali's face.

As a fan of the series, I want the original writers of ME on this.

I want the original script, let it be the dark energy or whatever.

Not this ****ty ending that make no sense and require fans to fill in and fix the plot holes for them.

I don't want it to turn it to some kind of mind rape and they have to make DLC to milk more cash from fans.

I don't want them to be lazy and fall prey to EA's deadline constrain (Once again, after DA2), especially when
ME 3 is the finaly installment and everything is riding on this game.

Do you understand where I'm coming from?

That's at least the second time I heard you mention Tali's face...? Since she wasn't my LI I have no idea what happened with that in ME3 - did they reveal it or something? Whatever it is - or isnt - seems to be a major sticking point with you...

[Darkelefantos1]

My hopes that we will get to know the full story some day rest on 3 facts: Shepard's alive and breathing (which should not be possible in any ending given that the Citadel explodes with Shep on it and Shep's armor being destroyed), Bioware is keeping quiet about all the bogus happening on their forums and the Stargazer saying "one more story".
Nonetheless, if you don't mind the ending too much, the other 98% of the game were great.

[Getorex]

killnoob wrote...

LenabotSE wrote...

killnoob, I must commend you on your masterful trolling.

http://4.bp.blogspot... Emoticon3.png


Nah seriously though,

If you can explain to me, with a clear, obvious answer as to why Harbringer would suddenly change his mind and decide to indoctrinate Shepard after knocking him out with a "deathly laser' that is supposed to be used for killing, then I'm all for the indoctrination theory.

Otherwise,

I'll just stick to my own theory that Shepard doesn't exist and is merely a fictional character created by the Stargazer in order to entertain his grand son.

THAT ending would ****** me off and put me off even more than the actual ending. 

[killnoob]

mooney6023 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Many of us have moved over to a calmer and controlled environment for open theorycrafting discussion. If you're tired of repeating yourself, fighting in point-less arguments, and dealing with the trolls infecting the thread, we have a new home base, completely troll free and friendly towards all theorists and fans.

PM me to be directed to this theorycrafting haven.

Translation: Lets all retreat into a greenhouse where no one can ever tell us why our theory doesn't work!

Good for you guys.

I respect the theorycrafters I had arguements on here so much more than those who left because they don't like their idea being challeneged

why, thank you.

No problem.

I'll tell you this now as long as you stay in this thread and doesn't afraid whatever arguement i throw at you,

You have my respect.

Straight from tvtropes on trolls:

 Troll messages are often characterized by poor grammar, poor punctuation, excessive use of net slang and CAPS. Whether this is real illiteracy or an additional attempt to garner a response depends on the individual. 

You can either take the easy/**** way out and believe I'm a troll with no real arguement and dismiss me as one

Or

You can find a better arguement against me to shut me up.

Honestly, it's too easy to call troll on the internet these days.

[IhateEA-Mask]

Maybe reapers see Shepard as powerful war asset?

Seriously though, I wouldn't be surprised if dlc ending(if this theory is true that is) would go like this:

1) Shepard wakes up and is helped from under ruble by squad membesr who too were under rubble 2) Harbinger prepares to finish off Shepard because indoctrination failed 3) Normandy and other cavalry(that Hacket mentioned, he told someone to go after reapers who went to stop hammer team) arrive and destroy/distrupt Harbinger

[Elenterx]

HOLY **** IT'S THE ILLUSIVE MAN SAYING SHEPARD.
Maybe it's normal and I didn't notice it before I can record this if it isn't normal.

[killnoob]

Getorex wrote...


THAT ending would ****** me off and put me off even more than the actual ending. 

XD

[mooney6023]

killnoob wrote...

mooney6023 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Many of us have moved over to a calmer and controlled environment for open theorycrafting discussion. If you're tired of repeating yourself, fighting in point-less arguments, and dealing with the trolls infecting the thread, we have a new home base, completely troll free and friendly towards all theorists and fans.

PM me to be directed to this theorycrafting haven.

Translation: Lets all retreat into a greenhouse where no one can ever tell us why our theory doesn't work!

Good for you guys.

I respect the theorycrafters I had arguements on here so much more than those who left because they don't like their idea being challeneged

why, thank you.

No problem.

I'll tell you this now as long as you stay in this thread and doesn't afraid whatever arguement i throw at you,

You have my respect.

Straight from tvtropes on trolls:

 Troll messages are often characterized by poor grammar, poor punctuation, excessive use of net slang and CAPS. Whether this is real illiteracy or an additional attempt to garner a response depends on the individual. 

You can either take the easy/**** way out and believe I'm a troll with no real arguement and dismiss me as one

Or

You can find a better arguement against me to shut me up.

Honestly, it's too easy to call troll on the internet these days.

Alright I'll feed you:

On page 468 I posted a synopsis of some of the more telling evidence.  Tear it apart for me, maybe I'll learn something new.

[Getorex]

As for Tali's face...I THOUGHT I was going to see it in a run where I killed off the Quarians and helped the Geth. Tali takes off her mask and jumps off a cliff. I thought I'd get a glimpse...but nope. No face.

Other than online, where does one even see the photoshopped Tali face?

[GreatBandit]

killnoob wrote...

LenabotSE wrote...

killnoob, I must commend you on your masterful trolling.

Nah seriously though,

If you can explain to me, with a clear, obvious answer as to why Harbringer would suddenly change his mind and decide to indoctrinate Shepard after knocking him out with a "deathly laser' that is supposed to be used for killing, then I'm all for the indoctrination theory.

Otherwise,

I'll just stick to my own theory that Shepard doesn't exist and is merely a fictional character created by the Stargazer in order to entertain his grand son.

Maybe it wasn't his intention to kill shepard but to knock him out and screw him up, ya know so he could possible indoctrinate shepard, because the man who has made the largest alliance ever, and united all the different species together to fight this war. Shepard would be a much stronger ally alive and for the reapers than dead. Him being indoctrinated would show everyone that they control shep and it really is an impossible fight for them to win. 

[noobcannon]

Debi-Tage wrote...

killnoob wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

killnoob wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...


let me ask you this, do you consider yourself a fan of this franchise? why is this bad?
if they don't have a plan in place, then this is considered feedback in form of ideas, the whole board is packed with it. but if they have a plan, this is just an idea how it could work and how they might try to do it. and as far as i can remember, this is how dlc can actually be implemented in a good way. because the whole thing was a hallucination.

A fan of the franchise would compare this muck of an ending to every other endings in the previous series, and see how they're trying to excuse themselves from lazy writing. It's the same reason why they PHOTOSHOPED Tali's face from a stock photo instead of actually developing a good enough interpetation of what is.

They simply got buggered by EA deadlines and decided an open ending would be best because they know no matter how many people see through their bull****, some fan will always create some conspiracy theory to fix it for them, no matter how many plotholes there are in the orignial and how many plotholes there are in the conspiracy theory.

And kudos to them

It's turned out pretty damn well so far.

While I certainly see your argument. There is a difference to discussing a theory and actually playing a real implication of it. Right now this is essentially providing hope for the hopeless to use a bit dramatic definition. Over time people will sour if BioWare just sits back and does nothing. The threats made by the fanbase have far greater ammunition than in the past because of the sheer volume of hatred. When nearly the entirety of your fanbase is angered, you best do everything possible to appease, lest you watch them walk away.

If they make this actual DLC, then I'm content enough to call it a compromise. Would it have been better to have on the disc from the onset? Probably. Is this better than what we have now? Undoubtedly.

Right, except this wouldn't be their DLC.

They would only make this because the fans picked up on it.

AKA they did another fan service which appease to only some of the fan

Same deal with Tali's face.

As a fan of the series, I want the original writers of ME on this.

I want the original script, let it be the dark energy or whatever.

Not this ****ty ending that make no sense and require fans to fill in and fix the plot holes for them.

I don't want it to turn it to some kind of mind rape and they have to make DLC to milk more cash from fans.

I don't want them to be lazy and fall prey to EA's deadline constrain (Once again, after DA2), especially when
ME 3 is the finaly installment and everything is riding on this game.

Do you understand where I'm coming from?

That's at least the second time I heard you mention Tali's face...? Since she wasn't my LI I have no idea what happened with that in ME3 - did they reveal it or something? Whatever it is - or isnt - seems to be a major sticking point with you...

if tali is a LI they reveal her face. how they do it though comes off as lazy to most. she gives you a framed picture of her without her helment on. the picture however is photoshopped from a random stock photo.

http://i.imgur.com/Uyuhk.jpg 

[Little Lummo]

Guys i'm debating whether or not to really cure the genophage, i guess you still get the same amount of Krogan as they do not know you sabotaged it, but do you get anymore Salarians on your side than you get later in the game?

[Elenterx]

Can someone tell me if the illusive man whispering shepard during dream sequence is normal? I can record a video and post on youtube.

[VvAndromedavV]

When I finished the game it was my interpretation at the time that the ending sequence was Harbinger's attempt to indoctrinate Shepard, and that unless you choose "destroy" you end up dead and/or indoctrinated.

It wasn't until I saw the outrage online that I realized most people did not interpret it this way.

It remains my opinion that the ending was a indoctrination-induced hallucination. Some people say it's grasping at straws but I think the evidence for it is actually there, and not after-the-fact wishful thinking by fans disappointed by the ending.

That being said, without an official word from Bioware, all interpretations of the ending will be speculation.

The only reason why I'm not fully satisfied with the "indoctrination theory" is that, if it's true, and the "good" ending is Shepard waking up in the rubble in London after resisting indoctrination, it's not really over, is it?

Which means that Bioware will inevitably release a paid DLC to tell the end of the story since they purposefully left the ending of ME3 off the actual disc. If this happens it will be an unprecedented middle finger from EA/Biowave to anyone who's invested hundreds of hours into the ME trilogy.

Edited to add: There is a debate as to why Harbinger would try to indoctrinate Shepard as opposed to outright killing her. I've seen a few possible explanations for this, but one I haven't seen is this: at one point in ME3 Liara says it will "take about 100 years" for the Reapers to end the current cycle.

Now, given the destruction they caused during the course of ME3, I have no idea how or why it would take them 100 years to finish the task---it made no sense to me at the time and makes no sense to me now---but that seems to be the writer's opinion given what Liara says in-game. If that is the case, wouldn't Shepard be more useful as a Reaper tool than a corpse?

I mean Shepard is a galactic hero. It would be demoralizing to the organics to know she died and failed to kill the Reapers, yes, but I think it would be more demoralizing to see Shepard as a Reaper tool.

Modifié par VvAndromedavV, 14 mars 2012 - 08:03 .

[Tibiilicious]

@Elenerx, do please record it, so far nobody has heard it.

[killnoob]

VvAndromedavV wrote...

When I finished the game it was my interpretation that the ending sequence was Harbinger's attempt to indoctrinate Shepard, and that unless you choose "destroy" you end up dead and/or indoctrinated.

It wasn't until I saw the outrage online that I realized most people did not interpret it this way.

It remains my opinion that the ending was a indoctrination-induced hallucination. Some people say it's grasping at straws but I think the evidence for it is actually there, and not after-the-fact wishful thinking by fans disappointed by the ending.

That being said, without an official word from Bioware, all interpretations of the ending will be speculation.

The only reason why I'm not fully satisfied with the "indoctrination theory" is that, if it's true, and the "good" ending is Shepard waking up in the rubble in London after resisting indoctrination, it's not really over, is it?

Which means that Bioware will inevitably release a paid DLC to tell the end of the story since they purposefully left the ending of ME3 off the actual disc. If this happens it will be an unprecedented middle finger from EA/Biowave to anyone who's invested hundreds of hours into the ME trilogy.

IF you actually follow the thread you will discover there are plenty of evidence against the hallucination theory.

But hey as long as you don't start telling everyone it's fact you can believe whatever the hell you want.

I for one believe stargazer made Shepard up.

[Elenterx]

k I just tried to record it and it continued the sequence, I had to try it 3 times I think I waited too long. I just hit XMB as kid was burning hopefully when I reload it starts it again I'm wtf'ing atm

[Ghrelt]

Elenterx wrote...

Can someone tell me if the illusive man whispering shepard during dream sequence is normal? I can record a video and post on youtube.

Please do.  Link here.  Then I can know what you're talking about.  I never noticed this, myself.  But I may not have been paying attention then.

[killnoob]

Elenterx wrote...

k I just tried to record it and it continued the sequence, I had to try it 3 times I think I waited too long. I just hit XMB as kid was burning hopefully when I reload it starts it again I'm wt****g atm

Take your time I'm actually interested in this.

[lex0r11]

killnoob wrote...

LenabotSE wrote...

killnoob, I must commend you on your masterful trolling.

Nah seriously though,

If you can explain to me, with a clear, obvious answer as to why Harbringer would suddenly change his mind and decide to indoctrinate Shepard after knocking him out with a "deathly laser' that is supposed to be used for killing, then I'm all for the indoctrination theory.

Otherwise,

I'll just stick to my own theory that Shepard doesn't exist and is merely a fictional character created by the Stargazer in order to entertain his grand son.

i'll just say it will be difficult for us non bioware folks to rationalize reapers. only they know why they acted like the did. i think al l0ot of people came of with alot of possibilities as to why the frick indoctrination kicks in at the final hour of the game. we don't even know how bioware thinks it really works. THAT would be a great opportunity to explain how the reapers really do it, don't you think?

[noobcannon]

VvAndromedavV wrote...

When I finished the game it was my interpretation that the ending sequence was Harbinger's attempt to indoctrinate Shepard, and that unless you choose "destroy" you end up dead and/or indoctrinated.

It wasn't until I saw the outrage online that I realized most people did not interpret it this way.

It remains my opinion that the ending was a indoctrination-induced hallucination. Some people say it's grasping at straws but I think the evidence for it is actually there, and not after-the-fact wishful thinking by fans disappointed by the ending.

That being said, without an official word from Bioware, all interpretations of the ending will be speculation.

The only reason why I'm not fully satisfied with the "indoctrination theory" is that, if it's true, and the "good" ending is Shepard waking up in the rubble in London after resisting indoctrination, it's not really over, is it?

Which means that Bioware will inevitably release a paid DLC to tell the end of the story since they purposefully left the ending of ME3 off the actual disc. If this happens it will be an unprecedented middle finger from EA/Biowave to anyone who's invested hundreds of hours into the ME trilogy.

i agree 100%. however i don't think they will charge us for it. that would be such a low blow, even for EA. if they think the backlash is bad now for the endings, man, they're in for a world of pain if they decide to charge us for the rest of our game. but again, i have a good feeling it will be free.

[Fledgey]

phyreblade74 wrote...

killnoob wrote...

So you're basically saying that reaper deliberately give Shepard a chance to destroy them?

OR

Is it a lot easier to believe that they simply consider Shepar insignificant at this point and just blind shootingand trying to kill everything that moves?

Actually, if it's all in Shepard's mind, there is no REAL chance Shepard is destroying them, right?  In other words, there is no REAL finger on the button.  The choice Shepard makes isn't a REAL one, it's all illusory.  Or more, it's all SYMBOLIC.  Choose one way, Shepard is truly indocrinated.  But choose another way and he breaks free of the indoctrination attempt.

Perhaps you'll "get it" if you think of the red pill / blue pill scenario from "The Matrix".  It's not like you're considering an actual physical pill, anyway.  It's more an idea, an illusion, that ultimately determines what form your reality will eventually take.  But "the pill" is always just a manifestation of your mind, not an actual thing you can pick up and hold.

It's important, I think, to consider Shepard not as being actually indoctrinated.  If we're going to buy the notion indoctrination is a process, we have to consider how that process actually works.  Bioware is examining the inner workings of a mind in the process of being indoctrinated, not one already lost to the disease, I mean.  What would someone struggling against indoctrination really see, feel, think, what form or thought process would they be enduring, what does it really look like, feel like, if you were that person?  From that perspective, the story becomes incredibly nuanced a telling, especially if it's not clarified by anyone just yet that that is what's really happening.  And, yes, I really do think the writers and artists at Bioware are talented enough to tell THAT sort of story, to "pull it off", iow.

Every game I've played includes something of a "boss fight" towards the ending of the game.  Some people have comlained they didn't get one in ME3.  Perhaps, rather, it's only the boss fight was subtle and mental, rather than a physical shooting match of an encounter.  My question becomes, at that point, what happens next.  If you'd rather see it as all done and over with, however, that's cool, too.  I only think there's more going on than what we've yet seen, is all.

This is brilliant and eloquent. Thank you! 

[Getorex]

Elenterx wrote...

Can someone tell me if the illusive man whispering shepard during dream sequence is normal? I can record a video and post on youtube.

Late in the game I hear various voices whispering "Shepard", one of which sounds like Thane.  I simply assumed that the people lost in this whole thing are haunting Shepard in his sleep.  I didn't put (and won't until there's evidence to support otherwise) any particular import to it.  A dream is a dream and never ever makes any real sense...in real life. 

[Ramus]

The last BOSS