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#11951
ProdigalMaster

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This might have been mentioned before, but there are odd similarities
between the "semi-real" area Shepard wakes up in after Harbinger's blast ,
and the god-child's area. The first one is pretty obvious:


i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u405/ProdigalMaster/ME3real.jpg
i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u405/ProdigalMaster/ME3dream.jpg


This
one is a bit odd, is it just crazy coincidence? Remember that the
god-child area is not symmetrical, on the opposite right side there are
no such shapes.

i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u405/ProdigalMaster/ME3real2.jpg
i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u405/ProdigalMaster/ME3dream2.jpg

#11952
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crimsontotem wrote...

Nighthunteer wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

Nighthunteer wrote...

Take a look at this! Look at the eyes!
Posted Image

My thread:
http://social.biowar...47065/1#9948507


If you can add Saren's final form of indoctrination, that will be perfect... I would love to but I do not know a thing about photoshopping...


I do have the document open, on it now!
EDIT: Sarens final form seemed to only have glowing red eyes - impossible to tell, but checking out the ME 3 husk now to see if they are the same.


my bad i meant final form before he became super husk... u know when we met him again at the citadel


Found on YT, skip to 2:20



#11953
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I relate harbinger to the batman joker in a way. Harvey dent would be shepard. Harbinger wants to twist shepard to break the will of the allied races. He may have unintentionally let shepard live in the barrage, but now saw it aa golden pportunity to twist him.

Assuming shepard breaks free harbinger would most likely go to finish him off, but joker flies in and distracts him. Hence the lines "that was for cortez" and"sorry, but the girls are coming home with me"

just a thought. I also want to apologize kill for being short with you earlier. We've had a lot of trolls come in to bash for the sake of bashing and I took it out on you.

Any other questions that you have so I migth be able to give you my interpretation now that I'm not typing on a phone, Kill?

#11954
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About the only reply that gives me hope is the one about "If only the fans knew what is in store...". Because that can't simply be an allusion to MP DLC as that would have no bearing on the single player endings.

Can someone come up with an interpretation of "if only the fans knew what was in store..." that isn't a very good sign for people disappointed in the ending?

#11955
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Tailen wrote...

soull2 wrote...

I’m going to jump in here but isn’t it speculated in the
game that the reapers are using the citadel to create another reaper? If that
is the case they may not have been so much worried about the citadel as much as
moving it from planet to planet for expedience. Taking the citadel to Earth is
a lot faster than taking humans to the citadel if they were trying to make a
new reaper.




Interesting.  Do we know how Reapers are made?  Sorry, I'm not a lore nut, but I would assume that's an unknown.

Is the Citadel their tool to make Reapers?  Perhaps they make one every cycle, so each individual Reaper represents a full cycle?  That's a sickening thought...



Hang on… I don’t know if this has been discussed but the
things on the right and left sides of the synthesis beam look like the
injection tubes from the Human Reaper baby from ME 2.Reapers make new ones by combine organic flesh with synthetics (How the Human Reaper was made). This could tie in somehow.

Modifié par soull2, 14 mars 2012 - 09:11 .


#11956
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crimsontotem wrote...

Nighthunteer wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

Nighthunteer wrote...

Take a look at this! Look at the eyes!
Posted Image

My thread:
http://social.biowar...47065/1#9948507


If you can add Saren's final form of indoctrination, that will be perfect... I would love to but I do not know a thing about photoshopping...


I do have the document open, on it now!
EDIT: Sarens final form seemed to only have glowing red eyes - impossible to tell, but checking out the ME 3 husk now to see if they are the same.


my bad i meant final form before he became super husk... u know when we met him again at the citadel


Let me take a look!

#11957
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Elenterx wrote...

frajerik wrote...

Elenterx wrote...

It's up, Video where you can hear TIM whispering "Shepard" during dream sequence :)


0:53 isnt TIM and its proves nothing. In dream sequences you hear all friends and other ppl too. You worked with TIM in ME2.


How is that not TIM?

All the people you hear whispering were squadmates, TIM was never a squadmate and he was never really "close" to shepard.



Seriously though, put on headphones and listen.  It is most definitely Martin Sheen.
I know 0:53 isn't sheen, it's just one of the whispers.

Listen to 1:08

Modifié par Elenterx, 14 mars 2012 - 09:13 .


#11958
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Golferguy758 wrote...

I relate harbinger to the batman joker in a way. Harvey dent would be shepard. Harbinger wants to twist shepard to break the will of the allied races. He may have unintentionally let shepard live in the barrage, but now saw it aa golden pportunity to twist him.

Assuming shepard breaks free harbinger would most likely go to finish him off, but joker flies in and distracts him. Hence the lines "that was for cortez" and"sorry, but the girls are coming home with me"

just a thought. I also want to apologize kill for being short with you earlier. We've had a lot of trolls come in to bash for the sake of bashing and I took it out on you.

Any other questions that you have so I migth be able to give you my interpretation now that I'm not typing on a phone, Kill?


good analogy

#11959
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AgenTBC wrote...

About the only reply that gives me hope is the one about "If only the fans knew what is in store...". Because that can't simply be an allusion to MP DLC as that would have no bearing on the single player endings.

Can someone come up with an interpretation of "if only the fans knew what was in store..." that isn't a very good sign for people disappointed in the ending?



Yeah it doesnt make any sense, "If only the fans knew what was in store - that the ending sucked"  it doesnt fit, i still have faith in bioware, they couldn't have seriously thought this was an exciting end.

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ProdigalMaster wrote...

This might have been mentioned before, but there are odd similarities
between the "semi-real" area Shepard wakes up in after Harbinger's blast ,
and the god-child's area. The first one is pretty obvious:


i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u405/ProdigalMaster/ME3real.jpg
i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u405/ProdigalMaster/ME3dream.jpg


This
one is a bit odd, is it just crazy coincidence? Remember that the
god-child area is not symmetrical, on the opposite right side there are
no such shapes.

i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u405/ProdigalMaster/ME3real2.jpg
i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u405/ProdigalMaster/ME3dream2.jpg


Interesting!

Nice catch.

#11961
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GimmeDaGun wrote...

Some twittering with the devs - are we trolled or they are up to something that will blow us all away?

User 1: "I still want to believe you guys are sneaky trolls and have something going on you don't tell us yet. Can I get a cryptic reply?"
@masseffect: "The sun, it shines. www.youtube.com/watch"


User 2: "You are either a massive sadist or a beacon of hope."
@masseffect: "Can't it be both?"


User 3: "I kinda feel lost after that ending...not what I expected and left me feeling everything done was for nothing."
@masseffect: "We know it's a lot to take in! But hang in there. Your decisions matter."


User 4: "Are you holding something back, that could quell the large amount of frustration from the community, a tiny hint would be enough."
@masseffect: "Mike Gamble already said on his twitter, if the fans knew what was in store, the reaction would be different."


User 5: "I loved 98% of ME3..but something has to be up w/ ending..too much talent at BW for that business. Keep my saves?"
@masseffect: "We're keeping our saves, that's for sure."


User 6: "Fans are people too. Playing with their minds isn't that nice as it may look like to people from Bioware."
@masseffect: "We're not playing with anyone's minds, we are answering what questions we can and recording what feedback we receive."


User 7: "Its not that the ending was taken in the wrong direction its that it makes NO SENSE. Ashley was on the Normandy? she [was] with me."
@masseffect: "Probably a good thing to be cautious of."


User 8: "Do y'all have any ETA when more news will be released? Dying for news on a new ending/DLC."
@masseffect: "No ETA yet, but you will be updated via Facebook and Twitter when the news is available :)."

And some more:

User 1 -Well, i think i'll stop naggin you and trying to get you to talk about the indoctrination theory. :( Good game though!
Merizan - I want people to make up their own minds right now, then when more people have played we'll talk :)

User 2 - then I want to SEE that he was lying. I want to get up and finish the fight with Commander Shepard. Then retire.
Merizan - augh. want. to. discuss! Staying spoiler free for now :P

User 3 - But should've confronted the kid instead. Shep went meekly into the night.
Merizan - are you sure he went meekly into the night?


These are definitly suspicious tweeter, that's for sure.

#11962
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Well I'm gonna go back to playing on insanity, Will record third sequence to see if I can find anything else.

#11963
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Serlith_ wrote...


Is not. If you played the ME2 nad read the lore, you actually know that each one of the Reapers is made from a different race, one for every one of the destroyed ones. That's how they "preserve" them. That's why the Collectors went and collected humans from all around the galaxy in ME2.


That's what I was saying. The collectors spent so much time taking the humans to the base whereas the reapers can just bring the base to Earth to make a new one.

#11964
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Nighthunteer wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

Nighthunteer wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

Nighthunteer wrote...

Take a look at this! Look at the eyes!
Posted Image

My thread:
http://social.biowar...47065/1#9948507


If you can add Saren's final form of indoctrination, that will be perfect... I would love to but I do not know a thing about photoshopping...


I do have the document open, on it now!
EDIT: Sarens final form seemed to only have glowing red eyes - impossible to tell, but checking out the ME 3 husk now to see if they are the same.


my bad i meant final form before he became super husk... u know when we met him again at the citadel


Let me take a look!


 Posted Image

#11965
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The more I think about the indoctrination theory, the more it makes sense. It certainly explains one of my two problems with the ending: the plotholes and the ridiculous last 5 or so minutes. It also explains why in the best/destroy ending, it's heavily implied that Shepard "wakes up" at the spot where he was hit by the beam. But that still leaves my other big problem: there's no resolution, no conclusion. If this is indeed true, and even if Bioware is planning some sort of DLC ending (free or not), I just don't understand why the final game in a beloved series was shipped without a conclusion.

#11966
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ProdigalMaster wrote...

T
This
one is a bit odd, is it just crazy coincidence? Remember that the
god-child area is not symmetrical, on the opposite right side there are
no such shapes.

i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u405/ProdigalMaster/ME3real2.jpg
i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u405/ProdigalMaster/ME3dream2.jpg


That's - I mean - no way this could have been by accident. I'm feeling mindraped.

#11967
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mushoops86anjyl wrote...

The more I think about the indoctrination theory, the more it makes sense. It certainly explains one of my two problems with the ending: the plotholes and the ridiculous last 5 or so minutes. It also explains why in the best/destroy ending, it's heavily implied that Shepard "wakes up" at the spot where he was hit by the beam. But that still leaves my other big problem: there's no resolution, no conclusion. If this is indeed true, and even if Bioware is planning some sort of DLC ending (free or not), I just don't understand why the final game in a beloved series was shipped without a conclusion.


nobody does...

#11968
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Nighthunteer wrote...

Nighthunteer wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

Nighthunteer wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

Nighthunteer wrote...

Take a look at this! Look at the eyes!
Posted Image

My thread:
http://social.biowar...47065/1#9948507


If you can add Saren's final form of indoctrination, that will be perfect... I would love to but I do not know a thing about photoshopping...


I do have the document open, on it now!
EDIT: Sarens final form seemed to only have glowing red eyes - impossible to tell, but checking out the ME 3 husk now to see if they are the same.


my bad i meant final form before he became super husk... u know when we met him again at the citadel


Let me take a look!


 Posted Image



Do your eyes turn blue even if you're Renegade?

#11969
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ProdigalMaster wrote...

This might have been mentioned before, but there are odd similarities
between the "semi-real" area Shepard wakes up in after Harbinger's blast ,
and the god-child's area. The first one is pretty obvious:


i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u405/ProdigalMaster/ME3real.jpg
i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u405/ProdigalMaster/ME3dream.jpg


This
one is a bit odd, is it just crazy coincidence? Remember that the
god-child area is not symmetrical, on the opposite right side there are
no such shapes.

i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u405/ProdigalMaster/ME3real2.jpg
i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u405/ProdigalMaster/ME3dream2.jpg


Definitely a nice catch.. I wouldn't be surprised if the two areas are in fact the same..

#11970
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A larger one :D
Take show picture to really see it!
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Valk72 wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Some twittering with the devs - are we trolled or they are up to something that will blow us all away?

User 1: "I still want to believe you guys are sneaky trolls and have something going on you don't tell us yet. Can I get a cryptic reply?"
@masseffect: "The sun, it shines. www.youtube.com/watch"


User 2: "You are either a massive sadist or a beacon of hope."
@masseffect: "Can't it be both?"


User 3: "I kinda feel lost after that ending...not what I expected and left me feeling everything done was for nothing."
@masseffect: "We know it's a lot to take in! But hang in there. Your decisions matter."


User 4: "Are you holding something back, that could quell the large amount of frustration from the community, a tiny hint would be enough."
@masseffect: "Mike Gamble already said on his twitter, if the fans knew what was in store, the reaction would be different."


User 5: "I loved 98% of ME3..but something has to be up w/ ending..too much talent at BW for that business. Keep my saves?"
@masseffect: "We're keeping our saves, that's for sure."


User 6: "Fans are people too. Playing with their minds isn't that nice as it may look like to people from Bioware."
@masseffect: "We're not playing with anyone's minds, we are answering what questions we can and recording what feedback we receive."


User 7: "Its not that the ending was taken in the wrong direction its that it makes NO SENSE. Ashley was on the Normandy? she [was] with me."
@masseffect: "Probably a good thing to be cautious of."


User 8: "Do y'all have any ETA when more news will be released? Dying for news on a new ending/DLC."
@masseffect: "No ETA yet, but you will be updated via Facebook and Twitter when the news is available :)."

And some more:

User 1 -Well, i think i'll stop naggin you and trying to get you to talk about the indoctrination theory. :( Good game though!
Merizan - I want people to make up their own minds right now, then when more people have played we'll talk :)

User 2 - then I want to SEE that he was lying. I want to get up and finish the fight with Commander Shepard. Then retire.
Merizan - augh. want. to. discuss! Staying spoiler free for now :P

User 3 - But should've confronted the kid instead. Shep went meekly into the night.
Merizan - are you sure he went meekly into the night?


These are definitly suspicious tweeter, that's for sure.


i knew bioware was up to something

#11972
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GimmeDaGun wrote...

Some twittering with the devs - are we trolled or they are up to something that will blow us all away?

User 3: "I kinda feel lost after that ending...not what I expected and left me feeling everything done was for nothing."
@masseffect: "We know it's a lot to take in! But hang in there. Your decisions matter."


User 4: "Are you holding something back, that could quell the large amount of frustration from the community, a tiny hint would be enough."
@masseffect: "Mike Gamble already said on his twitter, if the fans knew what was in store, the reaction would be different."


User 5: "I loved 98% of ME3..but something has to be up w/ ending..too much talent at BW for that business. Keep my saves?"
@masseffect: "We're keeping our saves, that's for sure."

User 3 - But should've confronted the kid instead. Shep went meekly into the night.
Merizan - are you sure he went meekly into the night?


So basically Bioware's official stance is, "Wait a minute! Keep your save! If you only knew what was in store! Hang in there!"

...Because they want to sell some DLC, and their marketing plan is that people will buy it because they want to see the "full" ending which wasn't included on the disc.

That's money-grubbing behavior at its worst. Sickening.

#11973
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I know this is off topic but... jeez look at the detail difference between the games... i never really noticed until put side by side like this..

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Apparently I missed 70 pages, anyway those tweets from @masseffect seem to be very suspicious.

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angryjon wrote...

Nighthunteer wrote...


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I know this is off topic but... jeez look at the detail difference between the games... i never really noticed until put side by side like this..


Do your eyes turn blue even if you were a full Renegade?