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[Xyrm]

Could one of you indoctrination theory experts help me out here? I'm arguing with someone about how you see Shepard in the rubble on LONDON, but he is very adamant about it still being in the citadel. One of his arguments was that the rubble looks a lot like the stone in the council chambers, which Shepard was near. Link: http://images.wikia....cilChambers.png

Anyone have a few really solid argumenst as to why Shepard's body is in London and not the citadel?

[bowery tuff]

Rhod747 wrote...

Empiro3 wrote...

vrumpt wrote...

Auresta wrote...

vrumpt wrote...

Question: has it been determined under what conditions the god child greets Shepard with "What are you doing here?" and "Wake up."? I feel like if those are only dependent on EMS score then this theory is confirmed.

Bumping but supposedly it is only based on EMS. And it doesn't necessarily prove anything, so hold your horses.

I think for me it proves that the ending was deliberatly set up this way instead of just the planets aligning at the mercy of bad writing.  2 peices of intentional conditonal evidence is all we need.  Shepard waking up at the end of the destory option is the first.

I had a friend check this out. He had ~3400 EMS and got the "wake up" line, even though he never sees the breathing scene at the end when choosing destroy.

You need around 4-5k to get the breathing scene after choosing destroy.

I had 5k plus, united every race and picked destroy but didn't get the breathing scene. Any idea what would've caused that?

[Little Lummo]

Xyrm wrote...

Could one of you indoctrination theory experts help me out here? I'm arguing with someone about how you see Shepard in the rubble on LONDON, but he is very adamant about it still being in the citadel. One of his arguments was that the rubble looks a lot like the stone in the council chambers, which Shepard was near. Link: http://images.wikia....cilChambers.png

Anyone have a few really solid argumenst as to why Shepard's body is in London and not the citadel?

Well for one, Shepard is nowhere near the Council Chambers at the end.

[Evil_medved]

I found something else. Thats weird.

http://i.imgur.com/VBH4Z.jpg - pic one

http://i.imgur.com/9gDvw.jpg - pic two

Modifié par Evil_medved, 14 mars 2012 - 10:27 .

[savionen]

Xyrm wrote...

Could one of you indoctrination theory experts help me out here? I'm arguing with someone about how you see Shepard in the rubble on LONDON, but he is very adamant about it still being in the citadel. One of his arguments was that the rubble looks a lot like the stone in the council chambers, which Shepard was near. Link: http://images.wikia....cilChambers.png

Anyone have a few really solid argumenst as to why Shepard's body is in London and not the citadel?

You can see a building in the background.

[Abram730]

Dwailing wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

The people who ae using that interview really ned tostop. He's dodging the question because he and bioware still have tricks. Read jessic's twitter. Look beyond what is directly in front of you

I agree.  On the note about Bioware still having tricks, I had a thought last night.  Maybe Bioware was so serious about the ending being shaped by player decisions that they decided to put in this loopy ending to GENERATE fan speculation.  Then, once a single, popular theory has been chosen as the most likely, they will take that theory and use it to create an all new ending!  Of course, it is also possible that what they wanted to do was have a mystery for fans to discuss before they revealed the truth.  Either one would fit in with the coy nature with which Bioware's employies, minus Casey Hudson of course, are treating this situation.  The former theory might fit better given the way Jessica has responded to the questions.  This might also explain why people have been "converting" to the endings the way some have.  You know, how they no longer criticize the ending because they realize what Bioware has been planning all along.  In all honesty, if theory #1 is true, then this game would end up being quite possibly the greatest example of fan service in history.

Just in case we need to figure out what crucible "really" does... Just in case.

[Hanabii]

bowery tuff wrote...

Rhod747 wrote...

Empiro3 wrote...

vrumpt wrote...

Auresta wrote...

vrumpt wrote...

Question: has it been determined under what conditions the god child greets Shepard with "What are you doing here?" and "Wake up."? I feel like if those are only dependent on EMS score then this theory is confirmed.

Bumping but supposedly it is only based on EMS. And it doesn't necessarily prove anything, so hold your horses.

I think for me it proves that the ending was deliberatly set up this way instead of just the planets aligning at the mercy of bad writing.  2 peices of intentional conditonal evidence is all we need.  Shepard waking up at the end of the destory option is the first.

I had a friend check this out. He had ~3400 EMS and got the "wake up" line, even though he never sees the breathing scene at the end when choosing destroy.

You need around 4-5k to get the breathing scene after choosing destroy.

I had 5k plus, united every race and picked destroy but didn't get the breathing scene. Any idea what would've caused that?

Your EMS defines how much of it you can get actual use of.

If you have 5000 Score and 50% Galactic Readyness then you'll only have 2500 counted towards your ending.
It IS possible to do it singleplayer with full Galactic Readyness, the easiest way is the New Game +. The Second Easiest Way is to do every sidequest, every fetch. ETC.

When all is said and or done, you could also do a little multiplayer.

All and All.

[Hanabii]

Evil_medved wrote...

I found something else. Thats weird.

Pic 1

Pic 2

Your links don't work.

[Evil_medved]

Hanabii wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

I found something else. Thats weird.

http://i.imgur.com/VBH4Z.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/9gDvw.jpg

Your links don't work.

Fixed.

[Auresta]

Evil_medved wrote...

I found something else. Thats weird.

http://i.imgur.com/VBH4Z.jpg - pic one

http://i.imgur.com/9gDvw.jpg - pic two

Simple graphical error? Too minute to make a difference, imo.

[MaroonMoore93]

I wonder if them having to keep hush-hush about the endings is as agonizing as us being in the dark about them...

[Rhod747]

bowery tuff wrote...

Rhod747 wrote...

Empiro3 wrote...

vrumpt wrote...

Auresta wrote...

vrumpt wrote...

Question: has it been determined under what conditions the god child greets Shepard with "What are you doing here?" and "Wake up."? I feel like if those are only dependent on EMS score then this theory is confirmed.

Bumping but supposedly it is only based on EMS. And it doesn't necessarily prove anything, so hold your horses.

I think for me it proves that the ending was deliberatly set up this way instead of just the planets aligning at the mercy of bad writing.  2 peices of intentional conditonal evidence is all we need.  Shepard waking up at the end of the destory option is the first.

I had a friend check this out. He had ~3400 EMS and got the "wake up" line, even though he never sees the breathing scene at the end when choosing destroy.

You need around 4-5k to get the breathing scene after choosing destroy.

I had 5k plus, united every race and picked destroy but didn't get the breathing scene. Any idea what would've caused that?

I read a thread on another forum when ME3 was released in the UK that you need to have played all 3 games with the 'same' save (IE, Play ME1, use that save in ME2 then use the ME2 save in ME3). Although I did that and I didn't get it, but I didn't have more than 3.5K EMS. Ohohohoh, you also need 100% galactic readiness (which I think you need to play multiplayer to get, but it's not that hard, I think one bronze game nets you around 5% readiness, even if you lose you get around 2%)

[savionen]

Auresta wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

I found something else. Thats weird.

http://i.imgur.com/VBH4Z.jpg - pic one

http://i.imgur.com/9gDvw.jpg - pic two

Simple graphical error? Too minute to make a difference, imo.

Most likely it's just to help performance.

What bugs me more is that there's only ONE path to the end, even though they say there's several.

[Rhod747]

savionen wrote...

Auresta wrote...

Evil_medved wrote...

I found something else. Thats weird.

http://i.imgur.com/VBH4Z.jpg - pic one

http://i.imgur.com/9gDvw.jpg - pic two

Simple graphical error? Too minute to make a difference, imo.

Most likely it's just to help performance.

What bugs me more is that there's only ONE path to the end, even though they say there's several.

The sevral paths could be what you actualy experience as the ending (Control, destroy or Synthesis). BioWare are planning something big, we'll just have to wait and see.

[MaroonMoore93]

Dwailing wrote...
On the note about Bioware still having tricks, I had a thought last night.  Maybe Bioware was so serious about the ending being shaped by player decisions that they decided to put in this loopy ending to GENERATE fan speculation.  Then, once a single, popular theory has been chosen as the most likely, they will take that theory and use it to create an all new ending!  Of course, it is also possible that what they wanted to do was have a mystery for fans to discuss before they revealed the truth.  Either one would fit in with the coy nature with which Bioware's employies, minus Casey Hudson of course, are treating this situation.  The former theory might fit better given the way Jessica has responded to the questions.  This might also explain why people have been "converting" to the endings the way some have.  You know, how they no longer criticize the ending because they realize what Bioware has been planning all along.  In all honesty, if theory #1 is true, then this game would end up being quite possibly the greatest example of fan service in history.

That has crossed my mind more than once. They were at such a loss on how to end the trilogy that they decided to put it in our hands. 
If it turns out to be true: WELL-PLAYED, BIOWARE!

[Thermorium]

http://mattrhodes.deviantart.com/
http://mattrhodesart.blogspot.com/

Just wanted to post this here. It's kinda off-topic (also on-topic depending how you look at it),

Matt Rhodes does some of the art for ME and DA (AFAIK), and he recently posted these pictures on his DeviantArt account / blog.
The picture with EDI/Joker is called Crashed on Eden.

[Teh Tux]

Yes, this is Captain Herbert, I know.
However, I found something in it that is... interesting.

Skip to 1:45. That is when the kid runs into the room and hides in the vent.
The door opens, but the red lock never goes away. It simply remains there.

This may just be a bug. More than likely it is a bug. But maybe... JUST maybe...

[FsDxRAGE_v2]

Half of these clues either means: a) BioWare is lazy in development or They are goddamn sneaky.

[Auresta]

Teh Tux wrote...



Yes, this is Captain Herbert, I know.
However, I found something in it that is... interesting.

Skip to 1:45. That is when the kid runs into the room and hides in the vent.
The door opens, but the red lock never goes away. It simply remains there.

This may just be a bug. More than likely it is a bug. But maybe... JUST maybe...

I replayed that part of the game myself to look for this and I thought it was weird that I never noticed the kid there from playing the demo or from my first couple of start-up files in ME3. That definitely tells me something.

But as to what that means for the meaning of the kid, I don't know. It is strange, however.

[Evil_medved]

And at whole, look at the design of ending on citadel. Thats collector base > Shadowbroker > Last confrontation with Saren.

[Little Lummo]

FsDxRAGE_v2 wrote...

Half of these clues either means: a) BioWare is lazy in development or They are goddamn sneaky.

Lol i never noticed this many possible bugs etc in previous games! 

[xeternalxredx]

Thermorium wrote...

http://mattrhodes.deviantart.com/
http://mattrhodesart.blogspot.com/

Just wanted to post this here. It's kinda off-topic (also on-topic depending how you look at it),

Matt Rhodes does some of the art for ME and DA (AFAIK), and he recently posted these pictures on his DeviantArt account / blog.
The picture with EDI/Joker is called Crashed on Eden.

I'm inclined to believe it's either a biblical reference, that they landed in a paradise, or that they landed on Eden Prime. Not sure for the second part though.

[Worufu]

This probably has been put here before, but HELL I'm not going to go through almost five hundred pages to check.
Does anyone think that Spacekids' actions in any of the three endings is also worthy giving it a thought? I mean about his 'stay-don't stay' acton. Ugh, I'll explain.

In Destruction ending, we clearly see him dissapearing just as Shepard is walking down the path and starts shooting.
In Control ending, the camera gives us a shot of his face, something strange giving the fact that this is supposed to be Shepard's Crowning Moment of Awesome, his ultimate sacrifice, 'paragon' ending etc etc. After showing his face on our screens, he dissapears.
And in the Synthesis ending, he doesn't dissappear AT ALL. He's there in the background all the time, watching Shepard.

IMHO Spacekid thoughts on:
Destruction: 'Dammit, I failed! I'm outta here!'
Control: 'Heh, good one. Not exactly what I wanted, but fair enough. I'm off, gotta see the 'splosions.'
Synthesis: 'Holy crap, he FELL FOR IT, THAT IDIOT! I knew we didn't need the Collectors to get him alive!'
'Nuff said.