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Think someone answered it already, but can't find it now: why's the fourth paragon/renegade option greyed out - and how do them become valid options?

My EMS was far above 5k with 80% readiness ...

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Flammenpanzer wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

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Half of these clues either means: a) BioWare is lazy in development or B) They are goddamn sneaky.


Lol i never noticed this many possible bugs etc in previous games! 


ME3 is certainly the buggier of the three games...
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Ghostkid growling exactly as Shepard gets distracted from him, just like Paul Grayson gets a growl when he's distracted from a Reaper manifestation, is extremely strange bug.


Is it a growl, or the echo of the vents for a Reaper bvvvm?

No, it's a growl, those things are always intentional.

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I really hope Bioware starts reading this thread.

They must be planning something. These endings just cannot be possible... right? Or am I indoctrinated now? Must consider that possibility, yes.

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killnoob wrote...

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Why the hell would people even consider this a viable theory?

If Shepard's hallucinating/indoctrinated, why would the space god gives him the option to destroy reapers?


Hallucinations...... what's difficult to understand. Doesn't your mind imagine sometimes too??  Ever had a dream?


So he's lying on the ground, literally sleeping when the galaxy getting torn to pieces?


He's in the final charge and then he get's hit and then this
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CptData wrote...

Think someone answered it already, but can't find it now: why's the fourth paragon/renegade option greyed out - and how do them become valid options?

My EMS was far above 5k with 80% readiness ...

Your reputation needs to be high. Talk to EVERYONE after EVERY mission. Even the N7 ones.

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Okay, so I generally like this theory - I'd like for it to be true, and some of it makes sense. But I was just thinking about what the child and Shep said. I think some of it could very well be aimed at the player. "Without a choice, we have no hope. Take away our hope, and we're not better than machines." "You have hope, more than you know." or ["I think that is something we'd like to choose for ourselves. Take away our ability to choose, and we're like machines."] and "You have choices, more than you know."

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Ona Demonie wrote...

CptData wrote...

Think someone answered it already, but can't find it now: why's the fourth paragon/renegade option greyed out - and how do them become valid options?

My EMS was far above 5k with 80% readiness ...

Your reputation needs to be high. Talk to EVERYONE after EVERY mission. Even the N7 ones.


thats not true every time u meet the illusive man u must choose a Paragon or Renegate Answer  then u can choose at the end maybe this is another indicator thats a dream? manifestaion of memorys?

i missed this once before and so i can´t choose the last renegate/paragon answer at the end

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I found this on Tumblr! Check out the caption too.

http://clairelessly....this-email-from

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Psyro wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

CptData wrote...

Think someone answered it already, but can't find it now: why's the fourth paragon/renegade option greyed out - and how do them become valid options?

My EMS was far above 5k with 80% readiness ...

Your reputation needs to be high. Talk to EVERYONE after EVERY mission. Even the N7 ones.


thats not true every time u meet the illusive man u must choose a Paragon or Renegate Answer  then u can choose at the end maybe this is another indicator thats a dream? manifestaion of memorys?

i missed this once before and so i can´t choose the last renegate/paragon answer at the end


Do you have max paragon? I couldn't choose the last answer at the end for paragon but I was only near full paragon, not max.

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Ona Demonie

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Psyro wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

CptData wrote...

Think someone answered it already, but can't find it now: why's the fourth paragon/renegade option greyed out - and how do them become valid options?

My EMS was far above 5k with 80% readiness ...

Your reputation needs to be high. Talk to EVERYONE after EVERY mission. Even the N7 ones.


thats not true every time u meet the illusive man u must choose a Paragon or Renegate Answer  then u can choose at the end maybe this is another indicator thats a dream? manifestaion of memorys?

i missed this once before and so i can´t choose the last renegate/paragon answer at the end

I didn't include that part because I assumed it was obvious that people would always pick the Red/Blue lines whenever they appeared. 

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Little Lummo wrote...

I found this on Tumblr! Check out the caption too.

http://clairelessly....this-email-from


Addressed that this was a glitch/could be. Someone restarted their game and got this in the beginning of their game.

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Ona Demonie

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Auresta wrote...

Psyro wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

CptData wrote...

Think someone answered it already, but can't find it now: why's the fourth paragon/renegade option greyed out - and how do them become valid options?

My EMS was far above 5k with 80% readiness ...

Your reputation needs to be high. Talk to EVERYONE after EVERY mission. Even the N7 ones.


thats not true every time u meet the illusive man u must choose a Paragon or Renegate Answer  then u can choose at the end maybe this is another indicator thats a dream? manifestaion of memorys?

i missed this once before and so i can´t choose the last renegate/paragon answer at the end


Do you have max paragon? I couldn't choose the last answer at the end for paragon but I was only near full paragon, not max.

Paragon and Renegade levels don't even matter. I had 1/4th of a single bar of Renegade and was able to pick all of his Renegade options.

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Little Lummo wrote...

I found this on Tumblr! Check out the caption too.

http://clairelessly....this-email-from


this has been debunked.

people are getting this at the beginning of the game.  

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Little Lummo

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Auresta wrote...

Little Lummo wrote...

I found this on Tumblr! Check out the caption too.

http://clairelessly....this-email-from


Addressed that this was a glitch/could be. Someone restarted their game and got this in the beginning of their game.


But it's strange this person got it at the end right? And why would he want to see you at the beginning, last time you spoke it was hardly the best circumstances. I never got it at the beginning...

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Little Lummo wrote...

I found this on Tumblr! Check out the caption too.

http://clairelessly....this-email-from


i must say though... on twitter they did realy wanted people to instal those apps and get them working.

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

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Yes, this is Captain Herbert, I know.
However, I found something in it that is... interesting.

Skip to 1:45. That is when the kid runs into the room and hides in the vent.
The door opens, but the red lock never goes away. It simply remains there.

This may just be a bug. More than likely it is a bug. But maybe... JUST maybe...


I replayed that part of the game myself to look for this and I thought it was weird that I never noticed the kid there from playing the demo or from my first couple of start-up files in ME3. That definitely tells me something.

But as to what that means for the meaning of the kid, I don't know. It is strange, however.


HOLY FLYING **** I NEVER SAW THE KID THERE


I seriously got goosebumps when I saw the kid. I never ever saw that either!!! What the s**t!!! Very, very creepy! 

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I was just flipping through my CE art book earlier today, and noticed on the Mars Base it had "Mars 1" written on the main tower. I thought that looked very similar to the towers you see on the Citadel below the Catalyst, the ones that say "1M1". I don't have any images to link to, but for those CE owners that own it, check it out. Maybe it's just me reaching at nothing, but considering how that sequence incorporates the Collector Base, Shadow Broker ship, and TIM's office, maybe I'm not so crazy?

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Little Lummo wrote...

I found this on Tumblr! Check out the caption too.

http://clairelessly....this-email-from


I'm...Not quite sure what to think of this Posted Image

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New theory-

He's knocked into a coma at the beginning of the game when the Reapers first attack Earth. When he regains consciousness to the sound of Anderson telling him to get with it, that's the start of the coma-induced dream that is ME3.

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KroganBillie wrote...

Little Lummo wrote...

I found this on Tumblr! Check out the caption too.

http://clairelessly....this-email-from


I'm...Not quite sure what to think of this Posted Image


It's been debunked. People get this at the beginning of their games, too. Though it does seem out of context.

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any new cryptic tweets or other news

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Something on when Shepard was exposed to indoctrination. It was established in the comics that there were Reaper artifacts that would huskify and indoctrinate people who touched them, and give a flash of visions and a mild case of indoctrination from weaker exposure (such as grabbing someone who got zapped by an artifact). That is how both Saren and TIM both were originally indoctrinated (and by the same artifact at that). In Arrival, we saw Shepard locked in a room with a giant reaper artifact that he immediately knew was indoctrinating everyone, and me3 and all the stuff with the kid and nightmares starts not too long afterwards. Also, in the comics they describe what happened to the turians that got turned into husks as evolving and that they had evolved into the peak form of their race. So essentially they were achieving synthesis. So the synthesis ending means turning everyone into a husk.

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Ona Demonie wrote...

Psyro wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

CptData wrote...

Think someone answered it already, but can't find it now: why's the fourth paragon/renegade option greyed out - and how do them become valid options?

My EMS was far above 5k with 80% readiness ...

Your reputation needs to be high. Talk to EVERYONE after EVERY mission. Even the N7 ones.


thats not true every time u meet the illusive man u must choose a Paragon or Renegate Answer  then u can choose at the end maybe this is another indicator thats a dream? manifestaion of memorys?

i missed this once before and so i can´t choose the last renegate/paragon answer at the end

I didn't include that part because I assumed it was obvious that people would always pick the Red/Blue lines whenever they appeared. 


nono i mean the answers u choose when u meet the holograms of the illusive man! Was tested by a friend max paragon all reputation 7100 EMS 100% first playthrough he can´t choose the answer because one time he didn´t  choose a paragon/renegade reputaion answer with the hologram 2nd Playthroug he did and he can choose the answers at the end  and this maybe is also a manifastion of his memorys 

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Ona Demonie

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seitani wrote...

any new cryptic tweets or other news

None.

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Also an oddity, on the @masseffect twitter, when someone says they finished the game, @masseffect tends to ask if they plan to play again. If they indicate yes, then @masseffect tends to ask if they're going to try it on insanity. I finished my first play through on instanity, but I don't mind trying again.