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Chakuura wrote...
I'm so confused by the app messages from Kaidan/Ashley. Even if it has nothing to do with the indoctrination theory, it doesn't make sense that we'd be receiving them before earth is attacked, since you seem to have had no contact with the virmire survivor until you see them just before you go into the admiralty board? Maybe i'm missing something
I had a tiny silver of Renegade and was able to pick the Renegade red line the first time I met Illusive Man.balance5050 wrote...
Ona Demonie wrote...
The interrupts do not matter and your Paragon/Renegade score doesn't matter. It's your reputation. As long as you have high reputation, you picked ALL paragon or renegade lines (Red or blue lines) whenever you spoke to Illusive Man, have an EMS, saved Anderson (though with 5k, you can let him die), and have an import or second playthrough, the scene will play.CptData wrote...
Ona Demonie wrote...
As someone mentioned (and as I have purposely left out), here's what you need to do:
-Gather a high reputation - pretty much did every mission
-Pick either a Paragon or Renegade choice. I am not sure what happens if you mix up the choice, like you pick the Blue line first, then the red the next time you see him. I always picked Renegade because I shoot him in the end.
-If you imported a Shepard, had a high EMS, "saved" Anderson, picked destroy... then yes, you'll get the scene. Get 5k, at least.
-If you don't have an import, then do a second playthrough.
- check
- nearly always paragon - picked only one or two renegade interrupts in the entire game BEFORE the big showdown. Like killing Kai Leng for example.
- my Shepard survived even with a dying Anderson, since >5k points. Also used a full import (ME1/ME2) for first playthrough.
Just want to know the difference. Since we're certain that showdown happens only in Shepard's mind, it doesn't matter if Anderson dies or not - it's not real after all. He seems to represent the good in Shepard, while TIM represents the evil one ...
Don't you need enough Paragon or Renegade points in order to use the RED and BLUE doilogue options on the left of the diologue wheel?
I didn’t want the game to be forgettable, and even right down to the sort of polarizing reaction that the ends have had with people debating what the endings mean and what’s going to happen next, and what situation are the characters left in. That to me is part of what’s exciting about this story. There has always been a little bit of mystery there and a little bit of interpretation, and it’s a story that people can talk about after the fact.
Auresta wrote...
Ona Demonie wrote...
Yeah.kyg_20X6 wrote...
Anyone notice that the 'dreams' happen, and worsen, the more progress/success Shepard has. And Shepard then always starts to doubt the mission until someone (like Liara) reassures them. Trying to weaken Shepard's resolve?
I think at this point, people are just repeating of what's already been pointed out and any new stuff is stretching it.
Shepard is also very psychologically damaged as we go in the game. Deaths of all those he couldn't save will always haunt you.. especially after Thessia.
In either case, I see a test of Shepard's resolve. Just dunno where it's coming from.
Ona Demonie wrote...
As someone posted, one of the whispers is TIM. In one of the dreams, I heard Kaidan and Liara whisper. Then there's those creepy whispers:Auresta wrote...
Ona Demonie wrote...
Yeah.kyg_20X6 wrote...
Anyone notice that the 'dreams' happen, and worsen, the more progress/success Shepard has. And Shepard then always starts to doubt the mission until someone (like Liara) reassures them. Trying to weaken Shepard's resolve?
I think at this point, people are just repeating of what's already been pointed out and any new stuff is stretching it.
Shepard is also very psychologically damaged as we go in the game. Deaths of all those he couldn't save will always haunt you.. especially after Thessia.
In either case, I see a test of Shepard's resolve. Just dunno where it's coming from.
"Shepard! Excellent timing. Good to have you here."
"Some die in battle, some in their sleep, and some for no reason at all".
balance5050 wrote...
Auresta wrote...
Ona Demonie wrote...
Yeah.kyg_20X6 wrote...
Anyone notice that the 'dreams' happen, and worsen, the more progress/success Shepard has. And Shepard then always starts to doubt the mission until someone (like Liara) reassures them. Trying to weaken Shepard's resolve?
I think at this point, people are just repeating of what's already been pointed out and any new stuff is stretching it.
Shepard is also very psychologically damaged as we go in the game. Deaths of all those he couldn't save will always haunt you.. especially after Thessia.
In either case, I see a test of Shepard's resolve. Just dunno where it's coming from.
I agree, but you don't think it's coming Harbinger? him being the closest reaper/being his lasers that knock you out?
xeternalxredx wrote...
CptData wrote...
Ona Demonie wrote...
The interrupts do not matter and your Paragon/Renegade score doesn't matter. It's your reputation. As long as you have high reputation, you picked ALL paragon or renegade lines (Red or blue lines) whenever you spoke to Illusive Man, have an EMS, saved Anderson (though with 5k, you can let him die), and have an import or second playthrough, the scene will play.
Yeah, but ANY idea how much reputation is needed? I pretty much did every single mission I was aware of, talked to any characters, did everything ... I doubt you need 100% of all given reputation. Maybe 95% is enough, and I'm certain I hit that limit.
So why can't I pick that last decision? 'cause it's my first playthrough, even with an imported Shepard?
I was able to pick all the paragon choices. It's your rep. You need 100% reputation.
Modifié par CptData, 14 mars 2012 - 11:37 .
I don't have any idea how much. But are you absolutely sure you picked all the Blue/Red lines that appeared with illusive man? For example:CptData wrote...
Ona Demonie wrote...
The interrupts do not matter and your Paragon/Renegade score doesn't matter. It's your reputation. As long as you have high reputation, you picked ALL paragon or renegade lines (Red or blue lines) whenever you spoke to Illusive Man, have an EMS, saved Anderson (though with 5k, you can let him die), and have an import or second playthrough, the scene will play.
Yeah, but ANY idea how much reputation is needed? I pretty much did every single mission I was aware of, talked to any characters, did everything ... I doubt you need 100% of all given reputation. Maybe 95% is enough, and I'm certain I hit that limit.
So why can't I pick that last decision? 'cause it's my first playthrough, even with an imported Shepard?
magicalpoop wrote...
There is no definitive answer, they left the ending intentionally open to interpretation on some levels
Straight from the game directorI didn’t want the game to be forgettable, and even right down to the sort of polarizing reaction that the ends have had with people debating what the endings mean and what’s going to happen next, and what situation are the characters left in. That to me is part of what’s exciting about this story. There has always been a little bit of mystery there and a little bit of interpretation, and it’s a story that people can talk about after the fact.
SOURCE: MSNBC http://www.ingame.ms...s-ending-442217
Ona Demonie wrote...
I don't have any idea how much. But are you absolutely sure you picked all the Blue/Red lines that appeared with illusive man? For example:
1st Encounter: Blue
2nd Encounter: Blue
3rd Encounter: Blue
4th, 5th, and 6th Encounter: Blue
Or did you mix it up and may have choose Red in one of the encounters?
t1striker wrote...
Going through the game with this theory in mind, Does anybody else think it feels a little more creepy?
Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
t1striker wrote...
Going through the game with this theory in mind, Does anybody else think it feels a little more creepy?
It feels a LOT more creepy. Don't know if I'll be able to play the dream scenes again.
While I love this theory and fully support it, some of the evidence isn't very good.Auresta wrote...
The last quote is intriguing and in the dreams I mainly took it as quotes from his lost teammates, or those he believes he is affecting. But we can go deeper
Auresta wrote...
Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
t1striker wrote...
Going through the game with this theory in mind, Does anybody else think it feels a little more creepy?
It feels a LOT more creepy. Don't know if I'll be able to play the dream scenes again.
Seeing the kid in the beginning of the game before you fight the husks made me slightly flip my ****.
Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 14 mars 2012 - 11:45 .
Huh. Maybe you do need 100% reputation. Prima doesn't offer anything else other than what I already posted.CptData wrote...
Ona Demonie wrote...
I don't have any idea how much. But are you absolutely sure you picked all the Blue/Red lines that appeared with illusive man? For example:
1st Encounter: Blue
2nd Encounter: Blue
3rd Encounter: Blue
4th, 5th, and 6th Encounter: Blue
Or did you mix it up and may have choose Red in one of the encounters?
Yes. I never pick the red lines - and never pick the normal grey lines if a blue line is available
Ona Demonie wrote...
While I love this theory and fully support it, some of the evidence isn't very good.Auresta wrote...
The last quote is intriguing and in the dreams I mainly took it as quotes from his lost teammates, or those he believes he is affecting. But we can go deeper
-The gun. While I and others have said that the gun in the final stretch is Shepard's will power, I feel like that's a stretch now. You have unlimited ammo in the beginning and when it does run out, its for scripted purposes. However, in the final stretch, you do have unlimited ammo, but someone could easily think it would be amusing to shoot the gun for no reason, thus you run out of ammo.
-Illusive Man was able to get a gun: from Anderson. If you notice, Illusive Man reaches behind and down Anderson's back and pulls out a gun. Anderson may have slotted his gun between his back and pants when he was operating the console.
-The dreams. Even in real life, dreams can mean ANYTHING. While yes, it shows evidence of indoctrination, people could argue that Shepard is just really stressed and the shadow figures could represent his own mind, not influenced by Reapers, recalling all the deaths he caused.
-Whispers. I didn't hear Ash's and I left her to die on Virmire. And yeah, the whispers are a bit odd, but dreams are a mixture of memory, desires, imagination, and subconscious thought.
Reptilian Rob wrote...
Look at the box that holds the art book within the ME3 CE, then flip it so that the N7 armor is no the bottom half of the box.
Mind blown.
Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
Reptilian Rob wrote...
Look at the box that holds the art book within the ME3 CE, then flip it so that the N7 armor is no the bottom half of the box.
Mind blown.
why, what do you see?
Whenever I see the kid I get a little pissed and creeped out, partly due to the fact that he's a major part in killing the ending. But if this theory is right, I'll just act like he never existed. The dream sequences are way more creepy than before. Especially with the black outlines and whispers...Auresta wrote...
Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
t1striker wrote...
Going through the game with this theory in mind, Does anybody else think it feels a little more creepy?
It feels a LOT more creepy. Don't know if I'll be able to play the dream scenes again.
Seeing the kid in the beginning of the game before you fight the husks made me slightly flip my ****.
Or they know that with a low EMS, not only do you destroy the Reapers, but you end up vaporizing Earth.Forst1999 wrote...
Sorry if this has already been brought up, but this is a looong thread now:
While the Indoctrination theory makes inconsistencies plot points and many details fit it surprisingly well, i see one major flaw: Isn't it so that with a very low EMS you might be locked in to a choice? Destroy, if you destroyed the base, i think.
So if you were weak, the Reapers don't try do goat you into full indoctrination/giving them your DNA/"whatever control&synthesis are in this theory", and just accept their destruction? Maybe then the "destroy" ending is just a lie, but that doesn't explain the lack of the other options, that would still be more beneficial to the Reapers.
And if you already destroyed the Geth, do they create something else to steer you away from their undesired choice?
Sorry, so far this pretty much kills the Indoctrination theory for me.
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