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[TobiTobsen]

CptData wrote...

xeternalxredx wrote...

CptData wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

The interrupts do not matter and your Paragon/Renegade score doesn't matter. It's your reputation. As long as you have high reputation, you picked ALL paragon or renegade lines (Red or blue lines) whenever you spoke to Illusive Man, have an EMS, saved Anderson (though with 5k, you can let him die), and have an import or second playthrough, the scene will play.

Yeah, but ANY idea how much reputation is needed? I pretty much did every single mission I was aware of, talked to any characters, did everything ... I doubt you need 100% of all given reputation. Maybe 95% is enough, and I'm certain I hit that limit.

So why can't I pick that last decision? 'cause it's my first playthrough, even with an imported Shepard?

I was able to pick all the paragon choices. It's your rep. You need 100% reputation.

Great. That means I need another playthrough AFTER BW patched several bugs out of the quests. Plus, need a guide first to ensure I got ALL reputation. A checklist, so to speak.
In my case, at least that Eden Prime mission is bugged ... *shrugs*

So, what exactly is the difference if you can talk down TIM? Anderson lives?

TIM pulls a Saren. You can save your bullet in that case

[White Bread]

Auresta wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Look at the box that holds the art book within the ME3 CE, then flip it so that the N7 armor is no the bottom half of the box.

Mind blown.

why, what do you see?

If this is related to the box art, I will stab someone.

Can anyone give us a pic, or at least a description?

[Reptilian Rob]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Look at the box that holds the art book within the ME3 CE, then flip it so that the N7 armor is no the bottom half of the box.

Mind blown.

why, what do you see?

Tell me that doesn't look like someone helping SHEPARD out of the rubble, or maybe, maybe that's VEGA in the N7 armor...

Depending on your choice, he does join the program.

[Ona Demonie]

CptData wrote...

xeternalxredx wrote...

CptData wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

The interrupts do not matter and your Paragon/Renegade score doesn't matter. It's your reputation. As long as you have high reputation, you picked ALL paragon or renegade lines (Red or blue lines) whenever you spoke to Illusive Man, have an EMS, saved Anderson (though with 5k, you can let him die), and have an import or second playthrough, the scene will play.

Yeah, but ANY idea how much reputation is needed? I pretty much did every single mission I was aware of, talked to any characters, did everything ... I doubt you need 100% of all given reputation. Maybe 95% is enough, and I'm certain I hit that limit.

So why can't I pick that last decision? 'cause it's my first playthrough, even with an imported Shepard?

I was able to pick all the paragon choices. It's your rep. You need 100% reputation.

Great. That means I need another playthrough AFTER BW patched several bugs out of the quests. Plus, need a guide first to ensure I got ALL reputation. A checklist, so to speak.
In my case, at least that Eden Prime mission is bugged ... *shrugs*

So, what exactly is the difference if you can talk down TIM? Anderson lives?

Depending on your choice, TIM kills himself Saren-style or you can shoot him yourself. Anderson lives to make you cry, and dies. But hey, you both got to have a nice chat.

[xeternalxredx]

Forst1999 wrote...

Sorry if this has already been brought up, but this is a looong thread now:
While the Indoctrination theory makes inconsistencies plot points and many details fit it surprisingly well, i see one major flaw: Isn't it so that with a very low EMS you might be locked in to a choice? Destroy, if you destroyed the base, i think.
So if you were weak, the Reapers don't try do goat you into full indoctrination/giving them your DNA/"whatever control&synthesis are in this theory", and just accept their destruction? Maybe then the "destroy" ending is just a lie, but that doesn't explain the lack of the other options, that would still be more beneficial to the Reapers.
And if you already destroyed the Geth, do they create something else to steer you away from their undesired choice?
Sorry, so far this pretty much kills the Indoctrination theory for me.

I think if you have a really low EMS, Earth is just instantly destroyed.

[Auresta]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Look at the box that holds the art book within the ME3 CE, then flip it so that the N7 armor is no the bottom half of the box.

Mind blown.

why, what do you see?

Tell me that doesn't look like someone helping SHEPARD out of the rubble, or maybe, maybe that's VEGA in the N7 armor...

Depending on your choice, he does join the program.

Has been brought up before and most of us took it as a symbol of Shepard's saving humanity. I don't think we should be reading into it so much.

[David Bergsma]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Look at the box that holds the art book within the ME3 CE, then flip it so that the N7 armor is no the bottom half of the box.

Mind blown.

why, what do you see?

Explain pls

[CreepingGeth]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Look at the box that holds the art book within the ME3 CE, then flip it so that the N7 armor is no the bottom half of the box.

Mind blown.

why, what do you see?

Tell me that doesn't look like someone helping SHEPARD out of the rubble, or maybe, maybe that's VEGA in the N7 armor...

Depending on your choice, he does join the program.

This would make sense if the sky was made of rubble.

[jackncoke28]

jackncoke28 wrote...

2nd play thru, just noticed oily shadows first appear in nightmares after genophage cure mission, at first I thought it was because of the grief due to loosing mordin, but then it dawned on me, genophage mission was also the first instance in me3 where Shepard had an up close battle with a reaper. This bolster indoctrination argument.

[Ona Demonie]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Look at the box that holds the art book within the ME3 CE, then flip it so that the N7 armor is no the bottom half of the box.

Mind blown.

why, what do you see?

Tell me that doesn't look like someone helping SHEPARD out of the rubble, or maybe, maybe that's VEGA in the N7 armor...

Depending on your choice, he does join the program.

That's stretching it for me. Fans know Shepard for his N7 armor. It looks more like Shepard is helping a random human. 

[Blazendoge]

Unsure if already been mentioned. However I just restarted ME3 just to have a play around see if I could notice anything and I think I did. Right at the beginning of the game when you first go to the citadel when speaking to Udina my sheps eyes were bright blue, when I went back on the ship and had the weird "dream" my sheps eyes were brown, now after the dream speaking to Traynor my sheps eyes are blue again. Has this been mentioned yet?

EDIT:Would the paragon/renegade thing not affect the eyes in the "dream"?

Modifié par Blazendoge, 14 mars 2012 - 11:48 .

[Reptilian Rob]

CreepingGeth wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Look at the box that holds the art book within the ME3 CE, then flip it so that the N7 armor is no the bottom half of the box.

Mind blown.

why, what do you see?

Tell me that doesn't look like someone helping SHEPARD out of the rubble, or maybe, maybe that's VEGA in the N7 armor...

Depending on your choice, he does join the program.

This would make sense if the sky was made of rubble.

Buzzkill! 

[MysticBinary82]

Well I got through half an hour ago. I am realy not sure what to beleave. I am realy sad, cause I did not wanted to say goodbye to everyone especialy my LI (actually I took Kaiden with me at the end). Right now I feel hurt, not betrayed but left alone.

[CptData]

Ona Demonie wrote...

Depending on your choice, TIM kills himself Saren-style or you can shoot him yourself. Anderson lives to make you cry, and dies. But hey, you both got to have a nice chat.

So in any case, Shepard sees his/her old mentor and father figure dying ... hmmm. Guess it has to be like that so only Shepard reaches that final stage of his/her journey - alone. Without his/her enemies and friends.

Think it doesn't really matter since it all happens in his/her mind, so Anderson may live ... or got vaporized by a beam of harby.


Just for the record: in my playthrough, I never saw Liara's and Ashley's dead bodies. Guess my EMS was high enough (>5k) to save their asses ...

[Anareth]

Secret Meaning behind the endings is as follows:
You can chose to Control the reapers
or Alter all sythetic and organic life instead
Still if neither of those options appeals to you, you can Delete all sentient programs instead.
Mind blown

Modifié par Anareth, 14 mars 2012 - 11:53 .

[777crowe777]

Quick question for all you peeps, if Shepard was indoctrinated then why didn't the prothean VI recognize it when he accessed it on Thessia? Only when KL showed up did the VI say something was up?

What about Javik's ability to sense... wouldnt he have noticed it or at least had suspicions?

just ideas didnt read whole thread to see if someone brought this up?.... also maybe this was the exact reaction BW wanted... everyone making their own assumptions???? Right?

[Ona Demonie]

Blazendoge wrote...

Unsure if already been mentioned. However I just restarted ME3 just to have a play around see if I could notice anything and I think I did. Right at the beginning of the game when you first go to the citadel when speaking to Udina my sheps eyes were bright blue, when I went back on the ship and had the weird "dream" my sheps eyes were brown, now after the dream speaking to Traynor my sheps eyes are blue again. Has this been mentioned yet?

EDIT:Would the paragon/renegade thing not affect the eyes in the "dream"?

I'd say its more of a bug than anything. Could be the lighting as well. People commented saying their Shep's eyes change in the Citadel part, but in all the videos with default Broshep, it's the lighting.

[CptData]

jackncoke28 wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

2nd play thru, just noticed oily shadows first appear in nightmares after genophage cure mission, at first I thought it was because of the grief due to loosing mordin, but then it dawned on me, genophage mission was also the first instance in me3 where Shepard had an up close battle with a reaper. This bolster indoctrination argument.

I thought those shadows are "spirits" of dead people. But your idea makes some sense - I like it.

[Ona Demonie]

777crowe777 wrote...

Quick question for all you peeps, if Shepard was indoctrinated then why didn't the prothean VI recognize it when he accessed it on Thessia? Only when KL showed up did the VI say something was up?

What about Javik's ability to sense... wouldnt he have noticed it or at least had suspicions?

just ideas didnt read whole thread to see if someone brought this up?.... also maybe this was the exact reaction BW wanted... everyone making their own assumptions???? Right?

The theory is that Shepard isn't being indoctrinated UNTIL he gets hit by Harbinger's beam. Until then, Harbinger ATTEMPTS to indoctrinate Shepard (example: His dreams), but Shepard always wakes up. 

[krystalevenstar]

Ona Demonie wrote...

Auresta wrote...
The last quote is intriguing and in the dreams I mainly took it as quotes from his lost teammates, or those he believes he is affecting. But we can go deeper

While I love this theory and fully support it, some of the evidence isn't very good. 

-The gun. While I and others have said that the gun in the final stretch is Shepard's will power, I feel like that's a stretch now. You have unlimited ammo in the beginning and when it does run out, its for scripted purposes. However, in the final stretch, you do have unlimited ammo, but someone could easily think it would be amusing to shoot the gun for no reason, thus you run out of ammo. 
-Illusive Man was able to get a gun: from Anderson. If you notice, Illusive Man reaches behind and down Anderson's back and pulls out a gun. Anderson may have slotted his gun between his back and pants when he was operating the console.
-The dreams. Even in real life, dreams can mean ANYTHING. While yes, it shows evidence of indoctrination, people could argue that Shepard is just really stressed and the shadow figures could represent his own mind, not influenced by Reapers, recalling all the deaths he caused. 
-Whispers. I didn't hear Ash's and I left her to die on Virmire. And yeah, the whispers are a bit odd, but dreams are a mixture of memory, desires, imagination, and subconscious thought.

An interesting thing about the dreams. At least the last dream; the voices and what they're saying change. I've reloaded my post-cerberus HQ save about 10 times now and in the midst of the love scene the last dream takes place. My first playthrough I heard Ashley (virmire death), Kaiden (LI), and Mordin. The next time I watched the scene it was Mordin, Legion, and Ashley. The next time it was Legion (but a different voice clip), EDI, and Kaiden. So yeah, it's fairly random.

[777crowe777]

Anareth wrote...

Secret Meaning behin the endings is as follows:
You can chose to Control the reapers
or Alter all sythetic and organic life instead
Still if neither of those options appeals to you, you can Delete all sentient programs instead.
Mind blown

..................... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[CptData]

777crowe777 wrote...

Quick question for all you peeps, if Shepard was indoctrinated then why didn't the prothean VI recognize it when he accessed it on Thessia? Only when KL showed up did the VI say something was up?

What about Javik's ability to sense... wouldnt he have noticed it or at least had suspicions?

just ideas didnt read whole thread to see if someone brought this up?.... also maybe this was the exact reaction BW wanted... everyone making their own assumptions???? Right?

Most likely because Shepard's mind was powerful enough to negate the indoctrination entirely for most parts of the game. He suffers some breakdowns while sleeping (dreams) and after Thessia's fall ... so guess as long as Shepard had hope, he was able to withstand indoctrination. In the end, he nearly fell ...

[Ona Demonie]

CptData wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

Depending on your choice, TIM kills himself Saren-style or you can shoot him yourself. Anderson lives to make you cry, and dies. But hey, you both got to have a nice chat.

So in any case, Shepard sees his/her old mentor and father figure dying ... hmmm. Guess it has to be like that so only Shepard reaches that final stage of his/her journey - alone. Without his/her enemies and friends.

Think it doesn't really matter since it all happens in his/her mind, so Anderson may live ... or got vaporized by a beam of harby.


Just for the record: in my playthrough, I never saw Liara's and Ashley's dead bodies. Guess my EMS was high enough (>5k) to save their asses ...

Or the fact that you killed the devil on your shoulder, so the angel doesn't need to fight anymore. 

Same here. 5028 points and I didn't see my squadmates' bodies.

[CptData]

krystalevenstar wrote...

An interesting thing about the dreams. At least the last dream; the voices and what they're saying change. I've reloaded my post-cerberus HQ save about 10 times now and in the midst of the love scene the last dream takes place. My first playthrough I heard Ashley (virmire death), Kaiden (LI), and Mordin. The next time I watched the scene it was Mordin, Legion, and Ashley. The next time it was Legion (but a different voice clip), EDI, and Kaiden. So yeah, it's fairly random.

If you spend more time in the dreams, you can hear them all. You're just too fast if you miss some lines.

[Ona Demonie]

krystalevenstar wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

Auresta wrote...
The last quote is intriguing and in the dreams I mainly took it as quotes from his lost teammates, or those he believes he is affecting. But we can go deeper

While I love this theory and fully support it, some of the evidence isn't very good. 

-The gun. While I and others have said that the gun in the final stretch is Shepard's will power, I feel like that's a stretch now. You have unlimited ammo in the beginning and when it does run out, its for scripted purposes. However, in the final stretch, you do have unlimited ammo, but someone could easily think it would be amusing to shoot the gun for no reason, thus you run out of ammo. 
-Illusive Man was able to get a gun: from Anderson. If you notice, Illusive Man reaches behind and down Anderson's back and pulls out a gun. Anderson may have slotted his gun between his back and pants when he was operating the console.
-The dreams. Even in real life, dreams can mean ANYTHING. While yes, it shows evidence of indoctrination, people could argue that Shepard is just really stressed and the shadow figures could represent his own mind, not influenced by Reapers, recalling all the deaths he caused. 
-Whispers. I didn't hear Ash's and I left her to die on Virmire. And yeah, the whispers are a bit odd, but dreams are a mixture of memory, desires, imagination, and subconscious thought.

An interesting thing about the dreams. At least the last dream; the voices and what they're saying change. I've reloaded my post-cerberus HQ save about 10 times now and in the midst of the love scene the last dream takes place. My first playthrough I heard Ashley (virmire death), Kaiden (LI), and Mordin. The next time I watched the scene it was Mordin, Legion, and Ashley. The next time it was Legion (but a different voice clip), EDI, and Kaiden. So yeah, it's fairly random.

Yeah, someone mentioned that a lot of the minor dialogue is random. For example, some people don't get certain "Zaeed/kasumi style" conversations on their first playthrough. 

Modifié par Ona Demonie, 14 mars 2012 - 11:55 .