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[BeardedPuma]

TobiTobsen wrote...

CptData wrote...

xeternalxredx wrote...

CptData wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

The interrupts do not matter and your Paragon/Renegade score doesn't matter. It's your reputation. As long as you have high reputation, you picked ALL paragon or renegade lines (Red or blue lines) whenever you spoke to Illusive Man, have an EMS, saved Anderson (though with 5k, you can let him die), and have an import or second playthrough, the scene will play.

Yeah, but ANY idea how much reputation is needed? I pretty much did every single mission I was aware of, talked to any characters, did everything ... I doubt you need 100% of all given reputation. Maybe 95% is enough, and I'm certain I hit that limit.

So why can't I pick that last decision? 'cause it's my first playthrough, even with an imported Shepard?

I was able to pick all the paragon choices. It's your rep. You need 100% reputation.

Great. That means I need another playthrough AFTER BW patched several bugs out of the quests. Plus, need a guide first to ensure I got ALL reputation. A checklist, so to speak.
In my case, at least that Eden Prime mission is bugged ... *shrugs*

So, what exactly is the difference if you can talk down TIM? Anderson lives?

TIM pulls a Saren. You can save your bullet in that case

Exactly. Eventhough your ammo is unlimited. It's always good to conserve. 

[Nogthwai]

Can anyone explain the last dream to me - why does the child run to a copy of shepard?

[RedNanaki]

So, before Shepard shoots TIM / TIM commits suicide...

TIM is influencing Shepard's mind, and TIM is again under control by the Reapers. So regardless of the starchild sequence and all that crap, Shepard is influenced enough by some form of indoctrination to shoot Anderson when TIM does his biotic-looking fistpump move.

But does TIM's death remove the influence on Shep's mind? Either way, some fuel to the indoctrination fire.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

It be funny if Shepard was really having a nightmare , and wakes to find out that his/her squad mates finished the job without him/her.

[CptData]

Ona Demonie wrote...

CptData wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

Depending on your choice, TIM kills himself Saren-style or you can shoot him yourself. Anderson lives to make you cry, and dies. But hey, you both got to have a nice chat.

So in any case, Shepard sees his/her old mentor and father figure dying ... hmmm. Guess it has to be like that so only Shepard reaches that final stage of his/her journey - alone. Without his/her enemies and friends.

Think it doesn't really matter since it all happens in his/her mind, so Anderson may live ... or got vaporized by a beam of harby.


Just for the record: in my playthrough, I never saw Liara's and Ashley's dead bodies. Guess my EMS was high enough (>5k) to save their asses ...

Or the fact that you killed the devil on your shoulder, so the angel doesn't need to fight anymore. 

Same here. 5028 points and I didn't see my squadmates' bodies.

I almost hit 6k

Think Anderson was one of the few true friends Shepard ever had. And that's why, he was representing his good, true self (at least if you follow the paragon line). TIM on the other hand represents a twisted, illfated variant of Shepard ... one that's so ruthless that he's willing to sell his own soul to the Fiend for the job ...

My squadmates made it out alive, I guess - and my Shepard survived. That's all what I wanted - now it's headcanon time.

[Ona Demonie]

Nogthwai wrote...

Can anyone explain the last dream to me - why does the child run to a copy of shepard?

May interpret as "Shepard embracing his/her fate". 

[Tailen]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Auresta wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

t1striker wrote...

Going through the game with this theory in mind, Does anybody else think it feels a little more creepy?

It feels a LOT more creepy. Don't know if I'll be able to play the dream scenes again.

Seeing the kid in the beginning of the game before you fight the husks made me slightly flip my ****.

It doesn't even make any sense.. why would a kid run into a building and then hide in the air vent?

More importantly, why are the Husks trying to pound through the glass after the kid?  It's certainly masked as a convenient melee tutorial, but the second you eliminate the husk threat, the nearest Reaper blows that room to hell.

I'm pretty sure this has all been pointed out in this thread, but at ~500 pages a little repitition keeps things fresh.

I don't know at what point -- if ever -- the kid really exists, but I'm fairly certain that at the point of the vent interaction he's a tool of the Reapers to break Shepard's will... as evidenced by the telling "Reaper moan" when Anderson snaps you out of it.

Also, I don't know if anyone has tried to figure out the layout, but having the kid make it from the rooftop garden that Shepard can see from his/her window at the start to that other rooftop a suspiciously long distance away seems like a very large clue in all of this.

[Rifneno]

Nogthwai wrote...

Can anyone explain the last dream to me - why does the child run to a copy of shepard?

Symbolism.  They both burst into flames.  The inference is that if you cling to the little bastard, you're going to burn.

[777crowe777]

Ona Demonie wrote...

777crowe777 wrote...

Quick question for all you peeps, if Shepard was indoctrinated then why didn't the prothean VI recognize it when he accessed it on Thessia? Only when KL showed up did the VI say something was up?

What about Javik's ability to sense... wouldnt he have noticed it or at least had suspicions?

just ideas didnt read whole thread to see if someone brought this up?.... also maybe this was the exact reaction BW wanted... everyone making their own assumptions???? Right?

The theory is that Shepard isn't being indoctrinated UNTIL he gets hit by Harbinger's beam. Until then, Harbinger ATTEMPTS to indoctrinate Shepard (example: His dreams), but Shepard always wakes up. 

Or maybe Shepard died in the beam like everyone else and Reapers take over da Galaxy.... all the while Shepards spirit is trying to get closure so he manifests this idea of the choices and mister illusive so he can finally be at peace and go hit up Heavens bar with Garrus..... (watch too much Supernatural)

[Ona Demonie]

CptData wrote...
I almost hit 6k


Anderson was one of the few true friends Shepard ever had. And that's why, he was representing his good, true self (at least if you follow the paragon line). TIM on the other hand represents a twisted, illfated variant of Shepard ... one that's so ruthless that he's willing to sell his own soul to the Fiend for the job ...

My squadmates made it out alive, I guess - and my Shepard survived. That's all what I wanted - now it's headcanon time.

Some say that even if you see your squadmates dead, it could be a trick to the hallucination.

[NigmaViper]

 I'm sorry if this has been pointed out before.  I didn't really want to sift through almost 500 pages.  If you watch this video starting at 15:06 
 When the child pauses after Shepard asks him if the reapers will obey him, he says "Yes".  At the same time a reaper beam looks to be coming out of his mouth and stops EXACTLY when he does.  Maybe I'm just grasping at straws here, but it seems really weird.

[Reptilian Rob]

MysticBinary82 wrote...

Well I got through half an hour ago. I am realy not sure what to beleave. I am realy sad, cause I did not wanted to say goodbye to everyone especialy my LI (actually I took Kaiden with me at the end). Right now I feel hurt, not betrayed but left alone.

Well, everything you loved and cared for is now stranded and marooned across the galaxy. The Citadel is gone, the Mass Relay network is gone; in five minutes BW destroyed the ME universe. 

[Ona Demonie]

777crowe777 wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

777crowe777 wrote...

Quick question for all you peeps, if Shepard was indoctrinated then why didn't the prothean VI recognize it when he accessed it on Thessia? Only when KL showed up did the VI say something was up?

What about Javik's ability to sense... wouldnt he have noticed it or at least had suspicions?

just ideas didnt read whole thread to see if someone brought this up?.... also maybe this was the exact reaction BW wanted... everyone making their own assumptions???? Right?

The theory is that Shepard isn't being indoctrinated UNTIL he gets hit by Harbinger's beam. Until then, Harbinger ATTEMPTS to indoctrinate Shepard (example: His dreams), but Shepard always wakes up. 

Or maybe Shepard died in the beam like everyone else and Reapers take over da Galaxy.... all the while Shepards spirit is trying to get closure so he manifests this idea of the choices and mister illusive so he can finally be at peace and go hit up Heavens bar with Garrus..... (watch too much Supernatural)

But then that doesn't explain why you would get the "Shep Alive" scene. And yes, it's Shepard; the PC file name says "Shep_Alive". 

[smah]

NigmaViper wrote...

 I'm sorry if this has been pointed out before.  I didn't really want to sift through almost 500 pages.  If you watch this video starting at 15:06 
 When the child pauses after Shepard asks him if the reapers will obey him, he says "Yes".  At the same time a reaper beam looks to be coming out of his mouth and stops EXACTLY when he does.  Maybe I'm just grasping at straws here, but it seems really weird.

There was a reaper in space right behind him....

[MJF JD]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

MysticBinary82 wrote...

Well I got through half an hour ago. I am realy not sure what to beleave. I am realy sad, cause I did not wanted to say goodbye to everyone especialy my LI (actually I took Kaiden with me at the end). Right now I feel hurt, not betrayed but left alone.

Well, everything you loved and cared for is now stranded and marooned across the galaxy. The Citadel is gone, the Mass Relay network is gone; in five minutes BW destroyed the ME universe. 

im just glad liara got to go to the exact planet she was talking about around the time of our pre final mission love making.  I am also glad that her and garrus got to go there with not a scratch on them after they were supposed to be right behind me on the run to the beam.  

[Earthborn_Shepard]

smah wrote...

NigmaViper wrote...

 I'm sorry if this has been pointed out before.  I didn't really want to sift through almost 500 pages.  If you watch this video starting at 15:06 
 When the child pauses after Shepard asks him if the reapers will obey him, he says "Yes".  At the same time a reaper beam looks to be coming out of his mouth and stops EXACTLY when he does.  Maybe I'm just grasping at straws here, but it seems really weird.

There was a reaper in space right behind him....

That looks kind of ridiculous  I think it's a coincidence but a funny one

[Ona Demonie]

NigmaViper wrote...

 I'm sorry if this has been pointed out before.  I didn't really want to sift through almost 500 pages.  If you watch this video starting at 15:06 
 When the child pauses after Shepard asks him if the reapers will obey him, he says "Yes".  At the same time a reaper beam looks to be coming out of his mouth and stops EXACTLY when he does.  Maybe I'm just grasping at straws here, but it seems really weird.

You're grasping at straws. There is a Reaper firing in the background.

[Miss Vader]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

smah wrote...

NigmaViper wrote...

 I'm sorry if this has been pointed out before.  I didn't really want to sift through almost 500 pages.  If you watch this video starting at 15:06 
 When the child pauses after Shepard asks him if the reapers will obey him, he says "Yes".  At the same time a reaper beam looks to be coming out of his mouth and stops EXACTLY when he does.  Maybe I'm just grasping at straws here, but it seems really weird.

There was a reaper in space right behind him....

That looks kind of ridiculous  I think it's a coincidence but a funny one

That just made me chuckle

Modifié par Miss Vader, 15 mars 2012 - 12:04 .

[PWNtrooper]

.......Has anyone suggested that maybe Shepard has been fully indoctrinated? That HE is the sleeper agent? Think about it...

1) Wouldn't Shepard be the perfect sleeper agent for the Reapers to indoctrinate? He has a solid rationale behind fighting the Reapers. The entire galaxy knows he's trying to fight the Reapers. Why would anyone question him or his actions in that regard?

2) The buzzing and growls are, according to the codec, signs of indoctrination. Shep hears that. He has nightmares. Hell, at one point doesn't Engineer Adams even say that he hears some strange hums?

3) The ending would mean that Control/Synthesize are the goals of the Reapers at any rate, but Destroying them is--as has been said--Shep regaining control like what happens with TIM, Saren and Benezia at times.

Could Shepard be indoctrinated from the very beginning? Is every choice that you make really the Reapers setting up the best possible outcome for their own invasion THROUGH Shepard?

[iwillkillfortali]

Ona Demonie wrote...

NigmaViper wrote...

 I'm sorry if this has been pointed out before.  I didn't really want to sift through almost 500 pages.  If you watch this video starting at 15:06 
 When the child pauses after Shepard asks him if the reapers will obey him, he says "Yes".  At the same time a reaper beam looks to be coming out of his mouth and stops EXACTLY when he does.  Maybe I'm just grasping at straws here, but it seems really weird.

You're grasping at straws. There is a Reaper firing in the background.

No emergancy induction port!

[777crowe777]

Ona Demonie wrote...

777crowe777 wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

777crowe777 wrote...

Quick question for all you peeps, if Shepard was indoctrinated then why didn't the prothean VI recognize it when he accessed it on Thessia? Only when KL showed up did the VI say something was up?

What about Javik's ability to sense... wouldnt he have noticed it or at least had suspicions?

just ideas didnt read whole thread to see if someone brought this up?.... also maybe this was the exact reaction BW wanted... everyone making their own assumptions???? Right?

The theory is that Shepard isn't being indoctrinated UNTIL he gets hit by Harbinger's beam. Until then, Harbinger ATTEMPTS to indoctrinate Shepard (example: His dreams), but Shepard always wakes up. 

Or maybe Shepard died in the beam like everyone else and Reapers take over da Galaxy.... all the while Shepards spirit is trying to get closure so he manifests this idea of the choices and mister illusive so he can finally be at peace and go hit up Heavens bar with Garrus..... (watch too much Supernatural)

But then that doesn't explain why you would get the "Shep Alive" scene. And yes, it's Shepard; the PC file name says "Shep_Alive". 

Yeah well i also checked when i destroyed the reapers it only showed Joker and Anderson in my little memory cutscene.... and not my LI (ashley) but in the other two choices Ashley was present.... so would we conclude this was another failed attempt to indoctrinate... since he "wakes up"...... but this was also the only choice where you would have a chance to reunite with your LI... so maybe they did that so you could come up with how the two love birds would finally be together.

[Reptilian Rob]

MJF JD wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

MysticBinary82 wrote...

Well I got through half an hour ago. I am realy not sure what to beleave. I am realy sad, cause I did not wanted to say goodbye to everyone especialy my LI (actually I took Kaiden with me at the end). Right now I feel hurt, not betrayed but left alone.

Well, everything you loved and cared for is now stranded and marooned across the galaxy. The Citadel is gone, the Mass Relay network is gone; in five minutes BW destroyed the ME universe. 

im just glad liara got to go to the exact planet she was talking about around the time of our pre final mission love making.  I am also glad that her and garrus got to go there with not a scratch on them after they were supposed to be right behind me on the run to the beam.  

And no sense was made. 

[Ona Demonie]

PWNtrooper wrote...

.......Has anyone suggested that maybe Shepard has been fully indoctrinated? That HE is the sleeper agent? Think about it...

1) Wouldn't Shepard be the perfect sleeper agent for the Reapers to indoctrinate? He has a solid rationale behind fighting the Reapers. The entire galaxy knows he's trying to fight the Reapers. Why would anyone question him or his actions in that regard?

2) The buzzing and growls are, according to the codec, signs of indoctrination. Shep hears that. He has nightmares. Hell, at one point doesn't Engineer Adams even say that he hears some strange hums?

3) The ending would mean that Control/Synthesize are the goals of the Reapers at any rate, but Destroying them is--as has been said--Shep regaining control like what happens with TIM, Saren and Benezia at times.

Could Shepard be indoctrinated from the very beginning? Is every choice that you make really the Reapers setting up the best possible outcome for their own invasion THROUGH Shepard?

If they indoctrinated him from the beginning, why not just have Shepard **** everything up so the Reapers don't have to worry about people trying to blow them up?

[Earthborn_Shepard]

I noticed that bioware is now asking everyone what exactly they like/don't like if they tweet something about the ending

[unclghost]

The eye thing seems to be most likely explained by Shepard's synthetic parts. When TIM is all scratched up at the end and you can see his circuits showing, it's clearly supposed to be a parallel to Shepard's orange lit-up cybernetics showing. Shepard likely had to have synthetic eyes made during Project Lazarus, and they were provided by Cerberus, so probably just attention to detail on Bioware's part.