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[Psyro]

Ona Demonie wrote...

PWNtrooper wrote...

.......Has anyone suggested that maybe Shepard has been fully indoctrinated? That HE is the sleeper agent? Think about it...

1) Wouldn't Shepard be the perfect sleeper agent for the Reapers to indoctrinate? He has a solid rationale behind fighting the Reapers. The entire galaxy knows he's trying to fight the Reapers. Why would anyone question him or his actions in that regard?

2) The buzzing and growls are, according to the codec, signs of indoctrination. Shep hears that. He has nightmares. Hell, at one point doesn't Engineer Adams even say that he hears some strange hums?

3) The ending would mean that Control/Synthesize are the goals of the Reapers at any rate, but Destroying them is--as has been said--Shep regaining control like what happens with TIM, Saren and Benezia at times.

Could Shepard be indoctrinated from the very beginning? Is every choice that you make really the Reapers setting up the best possible outcome for their own invasion THROUGH Shepard?

If they indoctrinated him from the beginning, why not just have Shepard **** everything up so the Reapers don't have to worry about people trying to blow them up?

because all enemys from the reaper are at one place to harvest? = less time to end the cylce

[NigmaViper]

Ona Demonie wrote...

NigmaViper wrote...

 I'm sorry if this has been pointed out before.  I didn't really want to sift through almost 500 pages.  If you watch this video starting at 15:06 
 When the child pauses after Shepard asks him if the reapers will obey him, he says "Yes".  At the same time a reaper beam looks to be coming out of his mouth and stops EXACTLY when he does.  Maybe I'm just grasping at straws here, but it seems really weird.

You're grasping at straws. There is a Reaper firing in the background.

Oh, I know the Reaper is in the background there, I was just saying, coincidence...or conspiricy!??! 

[Hamskillet]

I see some ppl talking about the eyes again. Shep's eyes in the end cinematics are why I think we are really on to something here! 

Synthesis Eyes: imgur.com/MfNl5

Control Eyes: imgur.com/Ik6Bw

Looks Indoctrinated to me...

[earthonline]

 here is a good endings guide for those who are not up to date:
Mass Effect 3 Endings Guide

[Mallissin]

I'd like to point out one of Matt Rhode's concept art pieces.



You'll notice most of the dead in the hallway are Cerberus and Husks.

[Ona Demonie]

777crowe777 wrote...

Yeah well i also checked when i destroyed the reapers it only showed Joker and Anderson in my little memory cutscene.... and not my LI (ashley) but in the other two choices Ashley was present.... so would we conclude this was another failed attempt to indoctrinate... since he "wakes up"...... but this was also the only choice where you would have a chance to reunite with your LI... so maybe they did that so you could come up with how the two love birds would finally be together.

The flash backs? It's supposed to be Joker, Anderson, Ash/Kai/Liara (if you romanced one of them, they appeared. If you didn't romance anyone or someone else, then it's automatically Liara). I choose Destroy and got Joker, Anderson, and Kaidan (my LI). You may have a bug. 

If he wakes up, then he either found more will to LIVE or he woke up from indoctrination. But no, he didn't "die" if he wakes up alive.

[Ona Demonie]

Hamskillet wrote...

I see some ppl talking about the eyes again. Shep's eyes in the end cinematics are why I think we are really on to something here! 

Synthesis Eyes: imgur.com/MfNl5

Control Eyes: imgur.com/Ik6Bw

Looks Indoctrinated to me...

Yeah, addressed that. His eyes are the same as Saren's and Illusive Man's. 

[Cloud Varis]

darthmilo77 wrote...

The eye thing seems to be most likely explained by Shepard's synthetic parts. When TIM is all scratched up at the end and you can see his circuits showing, it's clearly supposed to be a parallel to Shepard's orange lit-up cybernetics showing. Shepard likely had to have synthetic eyes made during Project Lazarus, and they were provided by Cerberus, so probably just attention to detail on Bioware's part.

The "circuits showing" looks almost exactly like what happened to Saren as ME1 progressed. That's more of an effect of indoctrination than anything else.

[Ona Demonie]

Psyro wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

PWNtrooper wrote...

.......Has anyone suggested that maybe Shepard has been fully indoctrinated? That HE is the sleeper agent? Think about it...

1) Wouldn't Shepard be the perfect sleeper agent for the Reapers to indoctrinate? He has a solid rationale behind fighting the Reapers. The entire galaxy knows he's trying to fight the Reapers. Why would anyone question him or his actions in that regard?

2) The buzzing and growls are, according to the codec, signs of indoctrination. Shep hears that. He has nightmares. Hell, at one point doesn't Engineer Adams even say that he hears some strange hums?

3) The ending would mean that Control/Synthesize are the goals of the Reapers at any rate, but Destroying them is--as has been said--Shep regaining control like what happens with TIM, Saren and Benezia at times.

Could Shepard be indoctrinated from the very beginning? Is every choice that you make really the Reapers setting up the best possible outcome for their own invasion THROUGH Shepard?

If they indoctrinated him from the beginning, why not just have Shepard **** everything up so the Reapers don't have to worry about people trying to blow them up?

because all enemys from the reaper are at one place to harvest? = less time to end the cylce

That's what the Citadel was created for and has been used for... for the past several cycles. If they indoctrinated Shepard at the VERY beginning, why would they have Shepard try SO HARD to convince people "Hey, Reapers are coming!". Why not just have him say "Nah, its probably nothing"?

[Flammenpanzer]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Look at the box that holds the art book within the ME3 CE, then flip it so that the N7 armor is on the bottom half of the box.

Mind blown.

dude....what the hell....

**Boom**

[ProdigalMaster]

Rifneno wrote...

Nogthwai wrote...

Can anyone explain the last dream to me - why does the child run to a copy of shepard?

Symbolism.  They both burst into flames.  The inference is that if you cling to the little bastard, you're going to burn.

I saw it as suggesting that he may not only be unable to save the child (humanity), but even himself in the first place. There's also a possibility it's purpose was to enforce the theme of Shepard's uncertainty as to his own identity. While in the Illusive Man's base Shepard reflects on his still present insecurity as to who he is after Cerberus rebuilt him, in the nightmares we chase the child as it keeps running away. Now that I think about it, it may be that moment  drives home the idea that the child is actually running away from -you- now. The real Shepard is externalised with the child, and they both burn, because he will be reduced to a Reaper instrument, effectively becoming his own antagonist.

Modifié par ProdigalMaster, 15 mars 2012 - 12:16 .

[Ona Demonie]

Flammenpanzer wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Look at the box that holds the art book within the ME3 CE, then flip it so that the N7 armor is on the bottom half of the box.

Mind blown.

dude....what the hell....

**Boom**

*Face/palm.*

Yes, because we all know the sky is made of concrete and rubble. 

[Psyro]

Mallissin wrote...

I'd like to point out one of Matt Rhode's concept art pieces.



You'll notice most of the dead in the hallway are Cerberus and Husks.

yeah in the artbook it stated that so "This is what the final roommight have looked likeif Shepard fought him in this space. The concept is meant to show the moment right before the confrontation, during which Shepard is walking past the bodies of the last of the Illusive Man’s Cerberus troops."

also on the illusive man reaper art

"One of the plans on the drawing boardwas to have the Illusive Man turn intoa Reaper creature for the final battle.Eventually, this plan was scrapped,since we wanted to give players thesatisfaction of fighting a character theyknow rather than a random creature.The design implies that the IllusiveMan’s weapon is his intelligence, nothis physical strength"

[777crowe777]

darthmilo77 wrote...

The eye thing seems to be most likely explained by Shepard's synthetic parts. When TIM is all scratched up at the end and you can see his circuits showing, it's clearly supposed to be a parallel to Shepard's orange lit-up cybernetics showing. Shepard likely had to have synthetic eyes made during Project Lazarus, and they were provided by Cerberus, so probably just attention to detail on Bioware's part.

Never thought of that.... from ME2 he would have lost most of his soft tissue which would include the eyes, I mean most of his bones were gone his brain and some other organs were the only thing that survived besides his skeleton for the most part.... I you guys think about all the upgrades you could do to yourself in ME2 most of your body had to be synthetic... you dont just put mechanical parts in peoples bodies..... best example Heavy skin weave.... you cant alter someones muscle fibers at the throw of a hat.... if you could then why wouldnt everyone who could afford it be doing it... or it being used for military purposes?

[PWNtrooper]

Psyro wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

PWNtrooper wrote...

.......Has anyone suggested that maybe Shepard has been fully indoctrinated? That HE is the sleeper agent? Think about it...

1) Wouldn't Shepard be the perfect sleeper agent for the Reapers to indoctrinate? He has a solid rationale behind fighting the Reapers. The entire galaxy knows he's trying to fight the Reapers. Why would anyone question him or his actions in that regard?

2) The buzzing and growls are, according to the codec, signs of indoctrination. Shep hears that. He has nightmares. Hell, at one point doesn't Engineer Adams even say that he hears some strange hums?

3) The ending would mean that Control/Synthesize are the goals of the Reapers at any rate, but Destroying them is--as has been said--Shep regaining control like what happens with TIM, Saren and Benezia at times.

Could Shepard be indoctrinated from the very beginning? Is every choice that you make really the Reapers setting up the best possible outcome for their own invasion THROUGH Shepard?

If they indoctrinated him from the beginning, why not just have Shepard **** everything up so the Reapers don't have to worry about people trying to blow them up?

because all enemys from the reaper are at one place to harvest? = less time to end the cylce

Exactly, and if every force is under the same assumption that the Crucible will work and it's their only hope for survival that also helps the Reapers; nobody will be looking for an alternative. Also, why would the Reapers, as powerful as they seem to be, allow plans like the Crucible to be maintained for so long? That could seem fishy as well, that the Crucible is just a way for them to make the job easier. I dunno, there's so much going into it.... 

[Psyro]

Flammenpanzer wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Look at the box that holds the art book within the ME3 CE, then flip it so that the N7 armor is on the bottom half of the box.

Mind blown.

dude....what the hell....

**Boom**

Picture pleasssseeee = )

[Reptilian Rob]

GoldenSkans9 wrote...


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Too funny! 

Epic troll is epic.

[Forst1999]

xeternalxredx wrote...

Forst1999 wrote...

Sorry if this has already been brought up, but this is a looong thread now:
While the Indoctrination theory makes inconsistencies plot points and many details fit it surprisingly well, i see one major flaw: Isn't it so that with a very low EMS you might be locked in to a choice? Destroy, if you destroyed the base, i think.
So if you were weak, the Reapers don't try do goat you into full indoctrination/giving them your DNA/"whatever control&synthesis are in this theory", and just accept their destruction? Maybe then the "destroy" ending is just a lie, but that doesn't explain the lack of the other options, that would still be more beneficial to the Reapers.
And if you already destroyed the Geth, do they create something else to steer you away from their undesired choice?
Sorry, so far this pretty much kills the Indoctrination theory for me.

I think if you have a really low EMS, Earth is just instantly destroyed.

But the destruction of the Reapers still works. And why don't the Catalyst just offer the options that are better for the Reapers according to the theory?

[Earthborn_Shepard]

GoldenSkans9 wrote...


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Too funny! 

I just completely lost my ****!

[Anareth]

777crowe777 wrote...

Anareth wrote...

Secret Meaning behin the endings is as follows:
You can chose to Control the reapers
or Alter all sythetic and organic life instead
Still if neither of those options appeals to you, you can Delete all sentient programs instead.
Mind blown

..................... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I think it's telling me what to do when presented with this choice

Modifié par Anareth, 15 mars 2012 - 12:22 .

[Flammenpanzer]

Haha...thats awesome.

Edit: As for CE Edition box art, it could be Shep in the rubble, and someone pulling him out. I mean, Shep was pretty badly cut up in the explosion.

Modifié par Flammenpanzer, 15 mars 2012 - 12:24 .

[TheRaggyGandalf]

GoldenSkans9 wrote...


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Too funny! 

Give this guy the trollface in gold naow xD

Unrelated question. How did the Reapers relocate the Citadel to earth? I thought the control mechanisms were disabled by Protheans. And could they even use Mass Relays for something that size?

[Evil_medved]

TheRaggyGandalf wrote...

GoldenSkans9 wrote...


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Too funny! 

Give this guy the trollface in gold naow xD

Unrelated question. How did the Reapers relocate the Citadel to earth? I thought the control mechanisms were disabled by Protheans. And could they even use Mass Relays for something that size?

I think they used rope.