57139 réponses à ce sujet

[vrumpt]

Ok, so me and buddy were talking about this. So we know that Cerberus has been experimenting with Reaper tech, implanting their soldiers and whatnot. We also know that James Vega keeps hearing an annoying humming sound. Beyond that, Shepard keeps having dreams with that little boy coupled with tons of whispers and reaper sounds throughout, along with dark shadows. Lastly, that little boy is dead, shot down by a destroyer class reaper.

So with the little boy dead, we know from the codex entries that one of the reaper **** variants is a processor, that processes DNA and harvest it. Lets assume that the reapers harvested that little boy, and that they have his DNA.

Next, lets get back to the Normandy. Since we know Cerberus has been experimenting with Reaper tech, we should assume the Dr. Eva's body is a Reaper tech or a variant of it. This could very well be the vessel that the Reapers are using to slowly indoctrinate Shepard in his dreams, and at the same time be the source of the humming that Vega hears. Somebody mentioned that the shadows don't start appearing until the second dream. It is possible Shepard could have dreamed about the boy once, and once the Reapers knew that that boy was important to him, they used it against him. Shepard is not dreaming of the little boy he could not save; he is being indoctrinated and the Reapers are putting that image into his brain because they processed his DNA, and he is part of the Reapers now. The Reapers are playing with Shepard, trying to convince him the entire time that this is a fight he cannot win. Its important to note that these dreams only happen after Shepard has come in close contact with reapers or reaper tech.

Fast forward to the end. The catalyst takes the form of the child. Again, this is indoctrination trying to convince Shepard, and this is where the Reapers slip up. As he is explaining the purpose of the Reapers, he says "they [the Reapers] are my solution". A minute later, as he is going over the options, he starts off with, "I know you've thought about destroying us [UMMM]" He has just implied that he is part of the Reapers at this point. This should be the point where Shepard catches their slip up and points it out, but instead is so close to complete indoctrination that he has little power fighting over their suggestions.


so yeah, thoughts??!?

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

because all enemys from the reaper are at one place to harvest? = less time to end the cylce

lol... I dont think impatience exist in creatures immortal and as old as time itself

[Ona Demonie]

Flammenpanzer wrote...

Haha...thats awesome.

Edit: As for CE Edition box art, it could be Shep in the rubble, and someone pulling him out. I mean, Shep was pretty badly cut up in the explosion.

Like someone would magically have the famous Shepard N7 armor during the critical moment of a war. I'm sorry, but claiming that the box art is evidence, is really stretching. We said that it's like war propaganga: Shepard is the hope for Earth and with the sunshine and helping a human shows that there is hope that Earth will be saved. And that doesn't look cut-up. Sure, there's blood, but take a better look at Shepard's arms during the last 15 minutes of the game. Not only are they bloody as HELL, but seriously wounded, burned, and bruised.

[keith123456789]

TheRaggyGandalf wrote...

GoldenSkans9 wrote...


Uploaded with ImageShack.us


Too funny! 

Give this guy the trollface in gold naow xD

Unrelated question. How did the Reapers relocate the Citadel to earth? I thought the control mechanisms were disabled by Protheans. And could they even use Mass Relays for something that size?

Because Reapers Defie All Logic Remember

[TheRaggyGandalf]

Evil_medved wrote...

TheRaggyGandalf wrote...

Unrelated question. How did the Reapers relocate the Citadel to earth? I thought the control mechanisms were disabled by Protheans. And could they even use Mass Relays for something that size?

I think they used rope.

Thanks now I am imagining a giant Citadel carriage being towed by 8 Reaper  with santa Clause on top of it

[Little Lummo]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

GoldenSkans9 wrote...


Uploaded with ImageShack.us


Too funny! 

Epic troll is epic.

Hahaha that guy owns! 

[TSgt_ShaneV]

Ryno911 wrote...


Hi,

I have created a Facebook page opposing the views of another page "Demand a
better ending to Mass Effect 3."  While I respect their rights to not
like the ending, I do not like the fact that they are demanding Bioware change
their original scripts.  Although the "Demand a better ending to
Mass Effect 3" page has conducted itself very well by trying to keep
the rude comments and "bashing" of the people at Bioware to a
minimum, other sites around the web are not.  If you follow anyone at
Bioware, on Twitter or Facebook, you can tell some of them are extremely
stressed out by all the fans' outrage at the ending to the game.  No one
deserves to get hate mail for something like this.  In my eyes Mass Effect
3 is still a great game either way.  I admit I would be extremely
disappointed if it turned out this ending was full of story holes and
oversights, but I still enjoyed the series as a whole, and would like to show
some appreciation.



The page was created to support the people at Bioware, who created Mass
Effect, no matter what happens with the ending of ME3, indoctrination theory or
not.  I'm tired of all the hate they are receiving and I want to show them
that not all their fans are ready to jump ship. We still want to recognize
their amazing contributions to the video game industry.



 If you would like to show your support to the
people at Bioware please like the page.  Any constructive comments are
welcome, and pass the word along to anyone that may feel the same. 





 Also, I want the page to be about supporting the Dream/Indoctrination Theory. If you have any ideas, for
or against the theory, please comment on the page. 



 




http://www.facebook.com/MassEffect3Ending

Thank you for taking the time to read this post

First - Thanks for you're efforts but..

While I do agree that nobody deserves the level of backlash that Bioware has received, the death threats and hate mail, it goes way to far. I can not in any way support the Developer and any future products if ME3 stays the way it is. I can not forgive such a bad ending to the franchise. I will not show support buy buying future Bioware products, because, to me, that is saying it is OK to do this. I will not bad mouth, personally attack, send death threats, etc because no one ever deserves that kind of behavior, it is childish and beneath my intelligence. But, as an adult, that is my choice and opinion;  I vote with my dollars.

But if you wish to do that, that is OK because that is what you believe/ believe in.

[DentedHalo]

I finished ME3 nearly 24 hours ago now and have been desperately trying to find some meaning and reason in the endings... I’ve watched them over and over and they start to make more sense but they never become more palatable.

I desperately want to believe this theory... the evidence noted is compelling and could so easily be true. The problem I have is that I don’t believe Bioware would actually do that... not because I believe they’re better than that or something but because I can’t even begin to see how they would unveil this... IF this turned out to be true, it could never be DLC... it would end Bioware. It would need to be in the form of a secrete unlock at a set point, something already contained within the game... that way they could say it was their intention all along and couldn’t be accused of profiteering.

But, as I said, I WANT to believe this and its just as possible that this is why I believe it... However, if these are the genuine endings, and this is actually how Bioware saw their flagship franchise ending, this theory could give them the opportunity to provide the desired new ending while not appearing to have exploited the fans… even if it wasn’t their original intention.

Honestly, the most likely reality is that this is it... nothing would make me happier than to find out that this was all a dream but holding on to that hope just makes it hurt more...

[N3vDawg]

@masseffect favorited this tweet:

Sarah Lynn ‏ @VideoGamerNerd

@masseffect You have done something amazing. I can't believe so few people have caught on to it yet! I trust you guys!

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

N3vDawg wrote...

@masseffect favorited this tweet:

Sarah Lynn ‏ @VideoGamerNerd

@masseffect You have done something amazing. I can't believe so few people have caught on to it yet! I trust you guys!

<33333

[Anareth]

Evil_medved wrote...

TheRaggyGandalf wrote...

GoldenSkans9 wrote...


Uploaded with ImageShack.us


Too funny! 

Give this guy the trollface in gold naow xD

Unrelated question. How did the Reapers relocate the Citadel to earth? I thought the control mechanisms were disabled by Protheans. And could they even use Mass Relays for something that size?

I think they used rope.

for that matter hpw did the fleet get to earth should't the reapers have siezed control of the relay network a la ME 1?

[PWNtrooper]

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

N3vDawg wrote...

@masseffect favorited this tweet:

Sarah Lynn ‏ @VideoGamerNerd

@masseffect You have done something amazing. I can't believe so few people have caught on to it yet! I trust you guys!

<33333

=D

[Worufu]

ProdigalMaster wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Nogthwai wrote...

Can anyone explain the last dream to me - why does the child run to a copy of shepard?

Symbolism.  They both burst into flames.  The inference is that if you cling to the little bastard, you're going to burn.

I saw it as suggesting that he may not only be unable to save the child (humanity), but even himself in the first place. There's also a possibility it's purpose was to enforce the theme of Shepard's uncertainty as to his own identity. While in the Illusive Man's base Shepard reflects on his still present insecurity as to who he is after Cerberus rebuilt him, in the nightmares we chase the child as it keeps running away. Now that I think about it, it may be that moment  drives home the idea that the child is actually running away from -you- now. The real Shepard is externalised with the child, and they both burn, because he will be reduced to a Reaper instrument, effectively becoming his own antagonist.

Actually this is a good one, especially considering that the child in the first dream is having a good time until you come up to him. Then Reaper growls, red light shines and the kid freaks out.

[Ona Demonie]

N3vDawg wrote...

@masseffect favorited this tweet:

Sarah Lynn ‏ @VideoGamerNerd

@masseffect You have done something amazing. I can't believe so few people have caught on to it yet! I trust you guys!

Context?

[Welder0]

I just got my CE. On the insert that holds the patch and stuff is some artwork.

It's a red gauntleted hand reaching down to an unarmored hand reaching up.

Since I have yet to start the game, I'm assuming this is set in the London ruins...

This may be old news, but I'm just getting up to speed here.

Modifié par Welder0, 15 mars 2012 - 12:36 .

[fox121]

Does anyone else notice the difference in tone from the child, any videos i watch where the player hasn't done enough to earn Synthesis the child seems angry and points out you want to destroy. Where as he almost seems sympathetic to you when you have earned enough, saying you are thinking of destroying? Almost as if he's worried from the army you have made?

But in reality its just BW gearing you toward the 'perfect' end Synthesis

[BlamBlamKerpow]

Long time reader, first time poster (hehum...) and as this soon is a 500 page monster I'm aware that it may have been said already. Okay, wall of text GO!

Since Bioware are teasing us with replies hinting at DLC with relevance to the ending I do believe they are up to something that's equal parts serving the fans and clever business (which usually means devilish economic evil).

They've been talking a little here and there about the franchise planned conclusion as something unusual in gaming and that it's going to be defined by your choices throughout the series. What they release is the total opposite where nothing matters in the least.
We are now going from wanting and hoping for another ending to more and more certain that we are going to see one, but it doesn't have to end there.

What if the big plan is multiple DLC packs of ending scenarios?

As the final point for any save, apart from autosaves, is right before you commence the attack, they've built the framwork for multiple scenarious to play out. Bioware could easily implement DLC that gives you different choices to how the final assault actually plays out which would give you different endgame finales, TiM and/or Harbinger boss fights etc (I really wanna shoot down Harby btw). In one instance of DLC the destruction/saving of the collector base may have a huge impact while in another the status of the Geth may mean alot instead etc etc...

DLC usually means trivial side story which may be fun but usually lacks impact on the plot and the player. As ME3 actually builds a lot on the DLC from ME2 those side stories seems a lot more potent in hindsight. Now trumphing that, they may have made the actual climax to the whole shebang into bite-sized packages. That would give Bioware enough freedom to actually do something of the myriad of differences between each and everyones stories, which have to be a nightmare as a developer to do in one single product anyway.

From a business standpoint it's sound to give us the most barebones ending possible in the initial purchase. Then it's only a matter of not waiting too long to feed the now starving and manic (I don't know about you but that description fits me perfectly) horde of fans. The only question now is if and how much they're gonna make us pay.
The thing about supply and demand is that no matter how much we dislike paying we actually demand it. They only need to supply.

Now I'm loosing my trail of thought so It's probably best to quit. This may be the wrong thread as I don't focus on the indoctrination theory but this is the thread that gave me back hope and made sense of the flaming pile of garbage that brutaly shot me down into despair.

[N3vDawg]

Ona Demonie wrote...

N3vDawg wrote...

@masseffect favorited this tweet:

Sarah Lynn ‏ @VideoGamerNerd

@masseffect You have done something amazing. I can't believe so few people have caught on to it yet! I trust you guys!

Context?

Just a single tweet. They didn't respond.

[MysticBinary82]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

MysticBinary82 wrote...

Well I got through half an hour ago. I am realy not sure what to beleave. I am realy sad, cause I did not wanted to say goodbye to everyone especialy my LI (actually I took Kaiden with me at the end). Right now I feel hurt, not betrayed but left alone.

Well, everything you loved and cared for is now stranded and marooned across the galaxy. The Citadel is gone, the Mass Relay network is gone; in five minutes BW destroyed the ME universe. 

Well I would not be that harsh but Its like what could possible come after that?
 
I don't want a prequel or someting like that.

For me now, if it was an indoctrination, than the red choice is the best but if it is not, than I must admit that the green one seem extremly sad but the most heroic thing shepard could do - unity in its purest way.

[Reptilian Rob]

Ona Demonie wrote...

N3vDawg wrote...

@masseffect favorited this tweet:

Sarah Lynn ‏ @VideoGamerNerd

@masseffect You have done something amazing. I can't believe so few people have caught on to it yet! I trust you guys!

Context?

Probably just means "You gave us your money, amazing!"

[thefallen0412]

Ona Demonie wrote...

N3vDawg wrote...

@masseffect favorited this tweet:

Sarah Lynn ‏ @VideoGamerNerd

@masseffect You have done something amazing. I can't believe so few people have caught on to it yet! I trust you guys!

Context?

Masseffect twitter could think this in the context of the normal game and endings.

[AlexPorto111]

N3vDawg wrote...

@masseffect favorited this tweet:

Sarah Lynn ‏ @VideoGamerNerd

@masseffect You have done something amazing. I can't believe so few people have caught on to it yet! I trust you guys!

Holy ****!!

The.DLC.Is.Real.

[Rifneno]

Psyro wrote...

because all enemys from the reaper are at one place to harvest? = less time to end the cylce

Has been discussed.  It's highly unlikely because the Reapers care much more about minimizing their own losses than they do about quickening the harvest.  As they should since they're otherwise immortal.  Palaven is getting decimated but it's not purely one-sided.  The turian didn't back down and the Reapers backed off the frontal assault and started playing it slow and steady after losing multiple capital ships to turian defenses.  I don't know how many capital ships, let alone destroyers, they lost on Palaven to make them back off the initial assault but I guarantee they'll lose a lot more than that engaging that colossal united fleet that Shepard brings to Earth.

Hamskillet wrote...

I see some ppl talking about the eyes again. Shep's eyes in the end cinematics are why I think we are really on to something here! 

Synthesis Eyes: imgur.com/MfNl5

Control Eyes: imgur.com/Ik6Bw

Looks Indoctrinated to me...

I posted some up-close shots of the eyes yesterday that I got by magnifying a 1080 video.  They got added to the initial post I believe if you want to have a look.  They are 100% without a doubt TIM eyes.  Of course, opponents of the theory say it's just because Shepard had implants from Lazarus Project and this is BW putting in attention to detail that requires close examination of a frickin' 1080 video to be sure about.  Then they'll turn right around and dismiss the fact that the ending areas are eerily similar to real stuff from Shepard's past by saying that BW is just lazy and recycles stuff.  It's pretty sweet.

[DarkDoc25]

There is one hole in this theory that you may want to plug.  Sheppard doesn't necessarily live in the "Destroy" ending.  You have to "save" Anderson from TIM and have at least 4000 war assets, or not "save" him from TIM and have at least 5000 war assets.  This is the only way to get the ending that implies he/she lives.  Otherwise you don't get this ending even if you choose the Destroy option.  All you get is the Reapers being destroyed and Earth being saved.

I say you may want to plug it because I like your theory.  I didn't hate the endings, but they did feel off to me.  I still don't get how Javik got off of the Normandy at the end when he was with me during the charge to the Conduit.  And the fact that Anderson's choice was renegade while TIM's was paragon doesn't sit well with me.

[Ona Demonie]

BlamBlamKerpow wrote...

*snip*

On 4chan, there was an image where it showed new MP related content. The poster also said that the endings would be included within this MP pack and it would be free. Claimed he was a minor BioWare employee. Another one (or the same one) did give out accurate info about ME2 DLC back in 2010.