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New tweet from Jessica Merizan:
http://twitter.com/#...099593084743680

Urgh, I can't.

Modifié par vantick, 15 mars 2012 - 01:22 .


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People4Peace wrote...

Jessica Merizan is tweeting right now! She gives me some hope.....more hope than anyone else from BW so ya'll should go check it out!


What is in the tweets to give hope?  How about a synopsis?

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Golferguy758 wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

Pathero wrote...

Ya know why I know shep won't die? Because tali wAnted more time and by god she is gonna get it.


gotta build her that damn house


DLC in 5 months: Mass Effect 3: SimRannoch - With the new DLC you have you get to experience all the excitement of building homes for the Quarians on Rannoch! 1 story, two story? The choice is yours!


you know what's sad?...... i'd buy it.

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vantick wrote...

New tweet from Jessica Merizan:
http://twitter.com/#...099593084743680

Urgh, I can't.

Art of trolling maxed out.

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Reptilian Rob wrote...

vantick wrote...

New tweet from Jessica Merizan:
http://twitter.com/#...099593084743680

Urgh, I can't.

Art of trolling maxed out.


Haha! I like this Community manager! She understands!

Also responds to my tweets.

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You know it actually sounds reasonable. I was confused with the odd way the story suddenly changed. It just didn't seem like top notch bioware writing. Too many questions. Too many things that Bioware just wouldn't normally do.

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Golferguy758 wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

Pathero wrote...

Ya know why I know shep won't die? Because tali wAnted more time and by god she is gonna get it.


gotta build her that damn house


DLC in 5 months: Mass Effect 3: SimRannoch - With the new DLC you have you get to experience all the excitement of building homes for the Quarians on Rannoch! 1 story, two story? The choice is yours!


I would totally play a Majesty-type ME game. I am perhaps crazy and/or indoc'd already, though.

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Golferguy758 wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

Pathero wrote...

Ya know why I know shep won't die? Because tali wAnted more time and by god she is gonna get it.


gotta build her that damn house


DLC in 5 months: Mass Effect 3: SimRannoch - With the new DLC you have you get to experience all the excitement of building homes for the Quarians on Rannoch! 1 story, two story? The choice is yours!

As long as those damn Quarians can pee without me having to click on the toilet or something.

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Now that I've been reading up on the Indoctrination Theory it seems to me like it's the answer or close to it. Right now I think that the final sequence is merely a test of sorts and we will deal with the consequences of our choice in an upcoming DLC.

Choosing destroy with a lot of EMS shows us the gasp for air scene with rubble that looks suspiciously like it belongs on Earth. Destroying the Reapers in that 'test' broke us out of the hallucination/mind trap/whatever.

Only question is where the sequence started. It's hard to tell how Shep's armour looks like in that 2 second clip but it does appear very similar to charred post-Harby-beam-hit style.

The cryptic dev tweets really fit into this idea since they haven't said anything concrete. They are waiting for more people to beat the game before making the announcement. I don't know if this DLC will be free or not but if it is then this will have been quite the genius move.

The plot holes showcased by Normandy's crash and party members appearing must be a deliberate sign to help us realize something's not right. I'm not sure but isn't one of your two party members you take with you on Earth always in that scene?

I suspect we'll get our boss fight with the Reapers after all...

Still all pure speculation until more time passes and we get some official and conclusive word from Bioware. But right now, I think a lot of signs point to this idea.

Modifié par Zeroscape, 15 mars 2012 - 01:35 .


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El_Spiko wrote...

Something on when Shepard was exposed to indoctrination. It was established in the comics that there were Reaper artifacts that would huskify and indoctrinate people who touched them, and give a flash of visions and a mild case of indoctrination from weaker exposure (such as grabbing someone who got zapped by an artifact). That is how both Saren and TIM both were originally indoctrinated (and by the same artifact at that). In Arrival, we saw Shepard locked in a room with a giant reaper artifact that he immediately knew was indoctrinating everyone, and me3 and all the stuff with the kid and nightmares starts not too long afterwards. Also, in the comics they describe what happened to the turians that got turned into husks as evolving and that they had evolved into the peak form of their race. So essentially they were achieving synthesis. So the synthesis ending means turning everyone into a husk.


I don't know if anyone pointed this out, but if there was a part about a mild case of indoctrination, wouldn't Shepard's case had started in the first Mass Effect because Saren grabbed them by the throat on Virmire when you face him?

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iwillkillfortali wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

Pathero wrote...

Ya know why I know shep won't die? Because tali wAnted more time and by god she is gonna get it.


gotta build her that damn house


YES!!!!!!!


So you get to know Tali, become friends, then romance her, build a house and have a kid. In the end you get married. But what if on the wedding night she takes off her mask and turns out looking hideous?

Guess I should say something on-topic aswell hmmm.... what if Shepard... is an AI witout knowing it?

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noobcannon wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

Pathero wrote...

Ya know why I know shep won't die? Because tali wAnted more time and by god she is gonna get it.


gotta build her that damn house


DLC in 5 months: Mass Effect 3: SimRannoch - With the new DLC you have you get to experience all the excitement of building homes for the Quarians on Rannoch! 1 story, two story? The choice is yours!


you know what's sad?...... i'd buy it.


yeah me too...I just love me some tali is all

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SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

Pathero wrote...

Ya know why I know shep won't die? Because tali wAnted more time and by god she is gonna get it.


gotta build her that damn house


YES!!!!!!!


So you get to know Tali, become friends, then romance her, build a house and have a kid. In the end you get married. But what if on the wedding night she takes off her mask and turns out looking hideous?

Guess I should say something on-topic aswell hmmm.... what if Shepard... is an AI witout knowing it?


or even worse, she looks like a photoshopped stock photo bioware found on the internet! gasp!

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iwillkillfortali

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SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

Pathero wrote...

Ya know why I know shep won't die? Because tali wAnted more time and by god she is gonna get it.


gotta build her that damn house


YES!!!!!!!


So you get to know Tali, become friends, then romance her, build a house and have a kid. In the end you get married. But what if on the wedding night she takes off her mask and turns out looking hideous?

Guess I should say something on-topic aswell hmmm.... what if Shepard... is an AI witout knowing it?


He can't because AI don't understand the concept of :wub:love.

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iwillkillfortali wrote...

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

Pathero wrote...

Ya know why I know shep won't die? Because tali wAnted more time and by god she is gonna get it.


gotta build her that damn house


YES!!!!!!!


So you get to know Tali, become friends, then romance her, build a house and have a kid. In the end you get married. But what if on the wedding night she takes off her mask and turns out looking hideous?

Guess I should say something on-topic aswell hmmm.... what if Shepard... is an AI witout knowing it?


He can't because AI don't understand the concept of :wub:love.


I disagree with that statement entirely, and so does Mass Effect. lol

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iwillkillfortali wrote...

Pathero wrote...

Ya know why I know shep won't die? Because tali wAnted more time and by god she is gonna get it.


You speak the truth.:wub::wub::wub:<3<3<3


^ This x9000

srsly though, I want to know who I have to bribe in order to get just one good full in game montion animated Shepard Tali MASK OFF kiss

just one man... just once... please....:crying:

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ejkeecha wrote...

This is my theory about what happens (apologies if someone has stated this before. If you believe the indoctrination theory. What you see in the end is Shepard breathing or dead. Either way his story ends here as the protagonist. He wont get up anytime soon.

What then happens is me4. A new protagonist starts off going into the citadel and finishing the reapers off. Celebrations ensue where you're shepard is a crippled living legend/statue. However you're new protagonist realises that something deeper stirs in space hence a new trilogy begins using another protagonist.

Bioware gets a new trilogy, an artistic ending where Shepard isn't a failure as he managed to unite the galaxy but being only "human" could not do everything. He laid the ground work through his decisions. However bioware can continue the universe with a new protagonist and a new squad.

Either way bioware stated Shepard story ends here.


My thoughts exactly. They want to do a ME4, (Though I heard that might be a MMO) and they are going to need a new protagonist. And who could fill shepards place better than, 'The one who kills the reapers.'

Whether the new protagonist is introduced in ME4 or a DLC is another question.

Would be a smart move on their part. 

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Golferguy758 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

vantick wrote...

New tweet from Jessica Merizan:
http://twitter.com/#...099593084743680

Urgh, I can't.

Art of trolling maxed out.


Haha! I like this Community manager! She understands!

Also responds to my tweets.


Nice Shaman quote.  Jessica is being so coy about this that something must be up.  To quote several other people here, "Hold the Line!"

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IndelibleJester wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

Pathero wrote...

Ya know why I know shep won't die? Because tali wAnted more time and by god she is gonna get it.


gotta build her that damn house


YES!!!!!!!


So you get to know Tali, become friends, then romance her, build a house and have a kid. In the end you get married. But what if on the wedding night she takes off her mask and turns out looking hideous?

Guess I should say something on-topic aswell hmmm.... what if Shepard... is an AI witout knowing it?


He can't because AI don't understand the concept of :wub:love.


I disagree with that statement entirely, and so does Mass Effect. lol


Indeed. What about EDI? She loves Joker. 

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iwillkillfortali wrote...

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

Pathero wrote...

Ya know why I know shep won't die? Because tali wAnted more time and by god she is gonna get it.


gotta build her that damn house


YES!!!!!!!


So you get to know Tali, become friends, then romance her, build a house and have a kid. In the end you get married. But what if on the wedding night she takes off her mask and turns out looking hideous?

Guess I should say something on-topic aswell hmmm.... what if Shepard... is an AI witout knowing it?


He can't because AI don't understand the concept of :wub:love.


What about EDI and Joker then? :blink:

Ok enough derailing on my part, gotta sleep. Guess Ill witness the 500+ pages tomorrow instead. Cant wait to see what more people can dig up. I swear if this community investigated crime, the CSI guys would look like amateurs.

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Bioware's face as they read through this thread:
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What do you think bioware would do if we all just stopped this second and everyone just stopped talking about ME3? No way would it happen, it's just hypothetical

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noobcannon wrote...
or even worse, she looks like a photoshopped stock photo bioware found on the internet! gasp!


She did what any other girl would do, photoshoped her photo to look better before giving it to Shepard. :D

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Justin ‏ @Vrumpt · Open
@JessicaMerizan I want THE TRUTH: are you or any co-workers/loved ones suffering from buzzing or ringing in ears, with "alien" whispers?
Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan Close
@Vrumpt Truth: I drank too many caffeinated beverages today and at lunch I'm pretty sure I saw oily shadows... Seriously. It was upsetting.

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BeardedPuma wrote...

IndelibleJester wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

Pathero wrote...

Ya know why I know shep won't die? Because tali wAnted more time and by god she is gonna get it.


gotta build her that damn house


YES!!!!!!!


So you get to know Tali, become friends, then romance her, build a house and have a kid. In the end you get married. But what if on the wedding night she takes off her mask and turns out looking hideous?

Guess I should say something on-topic aswell hmmm.... what if Shepard... is an AI witout knowing it?


He can't because AI don't understand the concept of :wub:love.


I disagree with that statement entirely, and so does Mass Effect. lol


Indeed. What about EDI? She loves Joker. 


You had to teach EDI but Shepard has it naturally:wizard:.