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[AgentMulder5]

So the consensus is that this is some sort of hallucination/dream sequence and that everything goes find with the Crucible.

Now, your squadmates you bring along on the mission? I know that if your war assets are too low they die, but if you have over 5k they do not. Even still, they still appear to be alive and well when the Normandy goes down on whatever planet they happen to be on.

What I'm wondering is, what if the hallucination goes even further back, back before the Hammer charge? This could be Bioware's way to fix the endings. Have Shepard have a stress-induced hallucination after speaking with all the crew or something, wake up, then finish the mission minus creepy space kid on a power trip.

[Invisibilly]

kylecouch wrote...

I'm kinda wondering how the random ass Normandy crap fits into this theory of a dream sequence. I mean...its SO out of place that I dont think even THIS theroy can justify it's reasons to exsist.

It helps justify the decision you made. No matter what you pick it lets you know that your crew survived.

[Deltateam Elcor]

comrade gando wrote...

He's definitely indoctrinated in my opinion, no way they would end the series on such a sour note. I mean really it's like a universally hated ending. Harbinger is **** with shepard's mind just like he's ****g with us the gamers' minds. Final boss battle vs harbinger here we come

This is probably it, ive had enough of harbingers bull anyway, why have a boss that speaks too much in ME2 say nothing in the last game and you dont get to defeat him personally?

Thats another reason why this is silly.

[omgBAMF]

kylecouch wrote...

I'm kinda wondering how the random ass Normandy crap fits into this theory of a dream sequence. I mean...its SO out of place that I dont think even THIS theroy can justify it's reasons to exsist.

It's Shepards consoling thoughts as he succumbs to indoc/death that his friends/LI are safe away form all the pain and suffering on Earth.  There was some foreshadowing to this... Garrus talking about retiring to a tropical planet and Liara mentioning that a ship could find a distant planet to find peace.

Modifié par omgBAMF, 11 mars 2012 - 06:38 .

[rogueagent6]

Was just PM'd this by OverDrivenI, so credit is to him

OverDrivenI wrote...

I can't post in the forum for some reason. And I see you are quite
active in the Hallucination thread. I don't think this has been posted
from twitter:

Mac Walters
Me too. RT "@chrisnavis:
@macwalterslives Really looking forward to the future of the Mass Effect
franchise after the #ME3 endings."

Modifié par rogueagent6, 11 mars 2012 - 06:37 .

[Cosmar]

KingNothing125 wrote...

I also hope so.

In fact, if they release a DLC where Shep wakes up after being shot by Harbinger, and miraculously he and his squad are OK, and you go up to the citadel for a real ending without some Space God Child, I will rejoice and gladly pay money for it.

Holy hell. I would be all over this. 

Even if the ending were a dream/blood loss/indoctrination-induced dream sequence, it still feels like being cheated out of the straight answers we were told we'd receive and which we were all hoping we'd get. 

[Sierra163]

 Just tossin this here

www.youtube.com/watch

[Evindell]

[quote]Gam3Ov3r wrote...

[quote]Evindell wrote...

[quote]Gam3Ov3r wrote...

[quote]john v rambo wrote...

In space without a helmet.. It had to of been some kind of dream or hallucination. Not to mention, we see the citadel explode... but if you beat the game with 5k or more war assets, we see that Shepard is still alive. There is no way he would have survived the explosion of the citadel and even if he somehow did the fall back to earth would kill him. It just doesn't make any sense.. So BW must be planning something. And yes I know Shepard has survived the explosion of a ship/the fall to a planet before... but as Jacob said "You were nothing but meat and tubes".[/quote]. 


Well you do hear wind blowing during that scene which means he/she is on earth

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Do you have a link to this? I don't feel like searching myself, and I definitely don't feel like booting up my XBOX for it...

[/qhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7swKCdM9jvo skip to the end
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Thanks so much. I didn't even notice the wind. Which wouldn't make sense on the Citadel, destroyed or not. Why would the Citadel fabricate wind? lol

And we all know that Shepard can't survive reentry. She tried it once. It didn't work out. She's off that particular thrill.

So...she never left Earth?

Oh God! I said this once before, but I feel like I've been Inception-ed. That this is supposed to be the "perfect" ending, and that that little breath is supposed to leave everything ambiguous enough that we write our own ending...if that makes any sense.

[Ainyan42]

lookingglassmind wrote...

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

I heard some theory on the boards here that Bioware could have put this crappy ending on disc until ME3 had shipped in all regions. Any proof to that, or is it just the case of someone showing wishful thinking?

I don't know. It could be. It would be.. interesting, but kind of unlikely. Why would they do that? It seems cost-intensive. And very risky. Potentially losing a large fan base purely for the sake of a friggin' awesome story line? I mean, I'd respect it, but I doubt it's what has actually happened.

If BioWare's going to sacrifice the ending for a powerful metagaming story experience, then I'd say the farthest that they would go is to leave these endings on the disc. This forces the player to decide if Shepard becomes indoctrinated or not. Basically, you're deciding whether you yourself fall prey to indoctrination, through this choice. Then, after this decision is made by most of the players post-release, the DLC with post-ending content is released.

To be fair, EA has been doing everything it can to combat piracy. Hiding the real endings in plain sight and requiring activation through AN would be a really good way to ensure that the only people who truly experience the whole game are those who have legitimate copies. And waiting until after it's released to everyone ensures that no one leaks/spoils until everyone has bought it. Not saying this is the case... but it's a possibility.

[lookingglassmind]

kylecouch wrote...

I'm kinda wondering how the random ass Normandy crap fits into this theory of a dream sequence. I mean...its SO out of place that I dont think even THIS theroy can justify it's reasons to exsist.

We do explain it.  We argue that it is Shepard trying to comfort himself/herself in her dying moments, by imagining those s/he loves and cares about in a scenario where they live, and are spared (in some degree) from Shepard's choice.

[TheRevanchist]

mentosman8 wrote...

@Kyle: That would have been part of the hallucination. As Shepard succumbs to/fights off death/indoctrination, he imagines making a choice, and his friends/LI crashing, but on a lush new world where life can continue on peacefully and out of the way of the conflict. Note in the ending where Shep is shown to be alive, that clip is *after* the Normandy clip, and would be prior to him waking up in the rubble.

Except Shep knows that the his friends is not going through a relay....he knows that those ppl were right there on the ground with him...and that the Normandy was in orbit shootin Reaper ass..he knows this...so why imagine them going through a relay for no effing reason and crashing some where random? smiling about it? not giving a **** about Shepard at all?

[rogueagent6]

One thing I would like to add is that these ending sequences have been planned for awhile, judging by the dates on some of the videos from my PC version.

Just throwing that out there.

[Ainyan42]

kylecouch wrote...

mentosman8 wrote...

@Kyle: That would have been part of the hallucination. As Shepard succumbs to/fights off death/indoctrination, he imagines making a choice, and his friends/LI crashing, but on a lush new world where life can continue on peacefully and out of the way of the conflict. Note in the ending where Shep is shown to be alive, that clip is *after* the Normandy clip, and would be prior to him waking up in the rubble.

Except Shep knows that the his friends is not going through a relay....he knows that those ppl were right there on the ground with him...and that the Normandy was in orbit shootin Reaper ass..he knows this...so why imagine them going through a relay for no effing reason and crashing some where random? smiling about it? not giving a **** about Shepard at all?

He's hallucinating - you can't take the images at face value. Seeing his friends alive and well (and on a tropical planet just like Garrus and Liara mentioned) would be Shepard's way of ensuring himself that he made the right decision (even if he didn't).

[Invisibilly]

kylecouch wrote...

mentosman8 wrote...

@Kyle: That would have been part of the hallucination. As Shepard succumbs to/fights off death/indoctrination, he imagines making a choice, and his friends/LI crashing, but on a lush new world where life can continue on peacefully and out of the way of the conflict. Note in the ending where Shep is shown to be alive, that clip is *after* the Normandy clip, and would be prior to him waking up in the rubble.

Except Shep knows that the his friends is not going through a relay....he knows that those ppl were right there on the ground with him...and that the Normandy was in orbit shootin Reaper ass..he knows this...so why imagine them going through a relay for no effing reason and crashing some where random? smiling about it? not giving a **** about Shepard at all?

To ease his/her mind. Its a hallucination.

[omgBAMF]

kylecouch wrote...

mentosman8 wrote...

@Kyle: That would have been part of the hallucination. As Shepard succumbs to/fights off death/indoctrination, he imagines making a choice, and his friends/LI crashing, but on a lush new world where life can continue on peacefully and out of the way of the conflict. Note in the ending where Shep is shown to be alive, that clip is *after* the Normandy clip, and would be prior to him waking up in the rubble.

Except Shep knows that the his friends is not going through a relay....he knows that those ppl were right there on the ground with him...and that the Normandy was in orbit shootin Reaper ass..he knows this...so why imagine them going through a relay for no effing reason and crashing some where random? smiling about it? not giving a **** about Shepard at all?

Shepard wouldn't care if his friends were worried about him.  The only thing he would be worried about is their safety and wellbeing.  Well, what's safer than being light years away from all the death and destruction than being on a distant tropical planet?

[littleork]

kylecouch wrote...

mentosman8 wrote...

@Kyle: That would have been part of the hallucination. As Shepard succumbs to/fights off death/indoctrination, he imagines making a choice, and his friends/LI crashing, but on a lush new world where life can continue on peacefully and out of the way of the conflict. Note in the ending where Shep is shown to be alive, that clip is *after* the Normandy clip, and would be prior to him waking up in the rubble.

Except Shep knows that the his friends is not going through a relay....he knows that those ppl were right there on the ground with him...and that the Normandy was in orbit shootin Reaper ass..he knows this...so why imagine them going through a relay for no effing reason and crashing some where random? smiling about it? not giving a **** about Shepard at all?

All that time while he was hallucinating, he doesnt really give much thought of the catalyst choices, so why would he give any to them going thru a relay, them going to the relay leaving him there doesnt make sense to us but to someone that is almost dead it might, at least imo, not sure i explained it well

[krystalevenstar]

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

I heard some theory on the boards here that Bioware could have put this crappy ending on disc until ME3 had shipped in all regions. Any proof to that, or is it just the case of someone showing wishful thinking?

I did find it distinctly off that you switched to Disc 2 very early in gameplay, before Palaven I believe, and then only switched back to Disc 1 around going to The Collector HQ. Didn't seem like much gameplay initially came off of disk 1, and the endings we have now are on disk 1.... very curious. (360 version BTW)

[I am Legion]

 Have you guys discussed why it looks like Anderson is making the choices as the Catalyst tells Shep about them?

[Fat Headed Wolf]

I can't help shaking the feeling that we (believers in this theory) are either nearly-exactly right or just plain wrong and have fooled ourselves into believing this. I don't think there is any middle ground.

[Ainyan42]

I am Legion wrote...

 Have you guys discussed why it looks like Anderson is making the choices as the Catalyst tells Shep about them?

Anderson only makes the red choice. TIM is the person for the blue choice, which follows the previous conversation with TIM and Anderson. Anderson was all for destroying the reapers, TIM was all for controlling them.

[Invisibilly]

I am Legion wrote...

 Have you guys discussed why it looks like Anderson is making the choices as the Catalyst tells Shep about them?

The color codings were there to throw you off. Red actually was good and the blue was bad. Im guessing seeing anderson there was shepards mind trying to tell you that destroy was really the right thing to do.

[lookingglassmind]

Actually... hmm. I'd been letting the endings displayed on the Normandy dictate how I define what is a real outcome from Destroy, Synthesis, and Control. This may not be correct. If Shepard has been hallucinating all of this, then it makes no sense to say that the Normandy weirdness is actually indicative of what the endings actually DO. I'd been allowing myself to believe that since the Synthesis Normandy scene shows EDI and Joker walking hand in hand, THAT is the determining factor that shows that synthetics are not destroyed in that ending. And I'd allowed myself to believe that since EDI doesn't show up in the Destroy ending, this gives creedence to the possibility that synthetics ARE destroyed in that ending.

When, in fact, none of the Normandy scenes are likely to be real. All of them are the product of a broken mind.

Which now makes me question the fate of the relays. And all synthetic life.

Damnit! DAMNIT!

[GBGriffin]

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

I can't help shaking the feeling that we (believers in this theory) are either nearly-exactly right or just plain wrong and have fooled ourselves into believing this. I don't think there is any middle ground.

Again, best case, this is true and, as much as I want to hate them for messing with me like that, they'd win back my support.

Worst case, they dismiss it and I headcanon this regardless. It works so well that it actually makes sense to me, more than my previous headcanon did.

I really hope this, more than anything else, gets an official response.

[krystalevenstar]

I am Legion wrote...

 Have you guys discussed why it looks like Anderson is making the choices as the Catalyst tells Shep about them?

Anderson makes the Destroy option, TIM makes the Control option. Only the Beam of light is shown for Synthesis

[legislacerator]

There's one thing here I haven't seen mentioned, and maybe I'm just reading too much into things, but think about the definition of the word "crucible." Other than something to melt metal in, a crucible is also a test or trial that is usually incredibly difficult.

Does anyone see where I'm going with this?