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[Ona Demonie]

Rheinlandman wrote...

Dunno if this has been brought up before, but EDIs eyes are an awful lot like TIMs, could EDI have more reaper tech in her?

I mean she is awfully sophisticated, more so than perhaps any other synthetic in the game. Her hair helmet can seperate in to little nanofibers and such? Making the Geth awfully jealous there girl, you know Legion just wants to emerge from an ocean and whip his hair around; why you gotta be temptin'?

I remember TIM commenting at some point about how he knew she would find the body tempting. Could she have exposed the whole ship to reaper tech influence?

Seeing how Cerberus has had access to a Derelict Reaper even before Shepard woke up, it is VERY likely that ANYTHING Cerberus creates has some Reaper tech.

[Samurai Wes]

Rheinlandman wrote...

Dunno if this has been brought up before, but EDIs eyes are an awful lot like TIMs, could EDI have more reaper tech in her?

I mean she is awfully sophisticated, more so than perhaps any other synthetic in the game. Her hair helmet can seperate in to little nanofibers and such? Making the Geth awfully jealous there girl, you know Legion just wants to emerge from an ocean and whip his hair around; why you gotta be temptin'?

I remember TIM commenting at some point about how he knew she would find the body tempting. Could she have exposed the whole ship to reaper tech influence?

When I first saw her in that body I only had one thought.  I REALLY hope she got all the evil Reaper stuff out of it first.

[TSgt_ShaneV]

Quick question -

Is the breath,London,ruble scene what's cause pause for most people to accept this indoc theory (it is a really great theory)?

I mean I had some questions after Harby's beam. The whole time I was thinking that the controls felt like they were in a dream state.

Then during the cut scenes and such I was confused, but the whole being in ruble and taking a breath at the very end totally made me think something was very wrong and question all events during that whole process. In which I came here to the forums to seek answers (and bumped into this theory).

Thus while going back through the events, based on some observations from here, did things *click* so to speak. I was curious as what others thought, as those events are what initially jumped out at me originally. I didn't pay to much attention at first due to waiting for that epic boss battle..

[byne]

Woo! Page 500.

Golf claps all around, everyone.

[Dorfgonewild81]

Questions from all the theories, ideas etc. I went back and watched the Citadel scene with Shep/Anderson/TIM. If these have been answered before, sorry. Wasn't on the front page and hard to read 500 pages
First, when you find Anderson at the console, has anyone been able to figure out what the voices are saying as he starts to turn around? it is a lot of whispers going on and I figure it is part of the indoc, but it isn't the Reaper noise.

Second, Shepard shoots Anderson, but afterwords, Anderson stops showing signs of being shot. After the scene where you can say goodbye to Anderson, Shepard checks his hand and covers a wound. He was shot in the same place he shot Anderson. Is this being chalked up to Anderson being a representation of Shepard in his mind during the indoc? Magic bullet? Because nothing up to that point has Shep worrying about a gun shot to his stomach. And in-case it gets brought up, Shep was shot in the right shoulder by Marauder Shields, so it wasn't from that.

Thanks

[BlamBlamKerpow]

Before I found this thread, the thing I was the most angry at was how cheap the endings were production wise. It's the same clip with different colors and characters.

And, if you want to take the side of the guys who says "It's artistic and perfectly fine", the synthesis one is the only who actually benefits artistically with it's Adam and Eve on a planetsized garden full to the brim of new DNA to mesh together. Then Garrus popped out of the Normandy and I went crazy when I realized the ending would've meant my squadmembers ditched Shep at the dash for the beam.
-Right shepard, let's do this! We're right behind you *cough*Joker's picking us up*cough*

Btw, how do you change the DNA of people that's still alive and they stay the same? (for all intents and purposes anyway) I thought the game would go Evangelion and reduce all life to some primordial goo and start from scratch.

[thefallen0412]

@JessicaMerizan @Derek_McL You mean in every single option where they get blown up?



@EpochSentinel @Derek_McL Sigh. Think past that.



WTF!!!!

[Rifneno]

Ona Demonie wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

If this theory is true and BioWare planned it all along... then wow, they outdid Assassin's Creed's minor detailing.

I was just thinking that this makes the amount of work you have to do the figure out Assassin's Creed look small time.

Hell, AC is all about conspircy... yet, here we are... with a sci-fi game.

I don't know anything about AC, but the ME team has always done just ridiculous levels of detail.  Remember that Prothean artifact on Eletania that gives Shepard a vision of Protheans observing early humans?  Whether you activated that thing and saw the vision is kept through ME2 and ME3 imports, allowing you a bit of dialogue with Javik about it.  DA's imported saves don't bother keeping the flags of world-altering decisions and ME saves whether you messed with an orb 2 games ago to give you an extra couple lines of dialogue.

We're not "reaching" like opponents of the theory claim.  They clearly haven't been paying attention, because this is exactly the sort of attention to detail that makes ME's writing what it is.  Back when people talked about the Klendagon description during ME1, I'm sure they got this same garbage.  I know I did months back when I overanalyzed the star behind TIM in ME2 after a dev interview said it was a clue to his location.  I said I don't know where he is, but that's a supergiant behind him, an extremely rare type of star.  Oh, look at that, is that a supergiant behind TIM's base?  Why, I do believe it is.  People will throw garbage at this no matter how much evidence you put forth because the people screaming "denial" are the ones with the closed minds.  And what's really sad is that when they DO release the real finish, those people will dislocate their shoulders patting themselves on the back as they assure themselves that BW just threw that ending together, no matter how complex it is and how fast they put it out, because of our theorizing.

...  Sometimes I get why Reapers hate organics so much.

[Samurai Wes]

byne wrote...

Amialis666 wrote...

taviastrife wrote...

Banzboy wrote...

But but but, I wanted sexy time with EDI. So I chose synthesis.

You know, when I saw that synthesis choice, the first thing I thought was "lucky Joker."  LOL

Same here. 
He appears to be cured of his disease and he gets to be with the love of his life. 

It is the most beautiful ending if taken at face value. 

Its also the one that makes the least sense by far.

I mean, at least with control you seem to assimilate yourself into the catalyst or some such, and with destroy you destroy it or something, but in Synthesis, how does it manage to turn everyone into robots? It doesnt even try to explain it.

If the Reapers had a robot ray, why didnt they ever use it?

The kid-thing did say he couldn't do it alone.  I guess they needed a human to sacrifice himself.  Maybe it had to be someone like Shepard who was sort of synthetic already.

[BeardedPuma]

 Jessica Merizan[/b] ‏ @[/s]superfuturexo[/b] I am having a dialogue with my Twitter friends and followers. No hints, just encouraging people to think past gut reactions.

[camcon2100]

Hmmm the anticipation is killing me. I hope its not for nothing!

[Kate815]

I imported an old ME1 file into ME2 and couldn't get past Freedom's Progress. The endings have ruined the whole series for me.

Modifié par Kate815, 15 mars 2012 - 02:39 .

[balance5050]

@Derek_McL You mean in every single option where they get blown up?
@Derek_McL Sigh. Think past that.

[Dwailing]

BeardedPuma wrote...

 Jessica Merizan[/b] ‏ @[/s]superfuturexo[/b] I am having a dialogue with my Twitter friends and followers. No hints, just encouraging people to think past gut reactions.

Why!? Why!?  Please just tell us already!  I want to finish the game!

[cyric085]

TSgt_ShaneV wrote...

Quick question -

Is the breath,London,ruble scene what's cause pause for most people to accept this indoc theory (it is a really great theory)?

I mean I had some questions after Harby's beam. The whole time I was thinking that the controls felt like they were in a dream state.

Then during the cut scenes and such I was confused, but the whole being in ruble and taking a breath at the very end totally made me think something was very wrong and question all events during that whole process. In which I came here to the forums to seek answers (and bumped into this theory).

Thus while going back through the events, based on some observations from here, did things *click* so to speak. I was curious as what others thought, as those events are what initially jumped out at me originally. I didn't pay to much attention at first due to waiting for that epic boss battle..

thats pretty much the whole theory

didn't really pay much attention to those details eighter the first time i played

ended the game and used the synergy choice, guess harby and bioware trolled me pretty hard.

Modifié par cyric085, 15 mars 2012 - 02:39 .

[ArkkAngel007]

500. Nice. And yes, it is questionable as to what exactly comprises the tech in Shepard, EDI, and the Normandy and what effects they may have.

[Rifneno]

Samurai Wes wrote...

That's Javik for you.  It's probably true, but remember he hates AI.  He also tells you to throw Legion out the airlock.

!!!  That triangle-headed popsicle freak said what!  BRB, researching whether I'll only be tried for murder or for genocide.

[balance5050]

@JessicaMerizan Please don't troll. You are seriously getting thousands of people's hope up on the forums.
@superfuturexo where am I trolling?
@JessicaMerizan subtle hints that people are interpreting as a possibility that the endings will be fixed, when I don't believe they will.
@superfuturexo I am having a dialogue with my Twitter friends and followers. No hints, just encouraging people to think past gut reactions.

Modifié par balance5050, 15 mars 2012 - 02:41 .

[Amialis666]

byne wrote...

Amialis666 wrote...

taviastrife wrote...

Banzboy wrote...

But but but, I wanted sexy time with EDI. So I chose synthesis.

You know, when I saw that synthesis choice, the first thing I thought was "lucky Joker."  LOL

Same here. 
He appears to be cured of his disease and he gets to be with the love of his life. 

It is the most beautiful ending if taken at face value. 

Its also the one that makes the least sense by far.

I mean, at least with control you seem to assimilate yourself into the catalyst or some such, and with destroy you destroy it or something, but in Synthesis, how does it manage to turn everyone into robots? It doesnt even try to explain it.

If the Reapers had a robot ray, why didnt they ever use it?

Ya it is that option that tells me if nothing else, bioware is trolling us. 

There is zero doubt in my mind bioware wouldn't screw up the ending THAT badly.
I never expected ME3 to have the best ending, but atleast it would make sense in some way.
Destroying a conduit or touching some levers on the citadel should not have the effect it does. Nor should jumping into a beam.

If it was just the destroy or control I could possibly live with it (Bad plot), but the synthesis adds way to many plot holes that can not be wished away no matter how hard you think. 

And how would they create ME4 based on these... if you choose the first 2 you play as a human, if you choose synthesis you play as a husk?

[taviastrife]

TSgt_ShaneV wrote...

Quick question -

Is the breath,London,ruble scene what's cause pause for most people to accept this indoc theory (it is a really great theory)?

To me it did.  It just doesn't add up.  The Citadel supposedly explodes after sending out the wave of light.
The rubble that's surrounding Shepard doesn't look Citadel-like; it looks like the area where you were hit.  Either Shepard survived falling through an atmophere again, or he/she never actually got to the Citadel.

Also, the scene with the Normandy going through a relay and crash landing didn't make much sense to me, especially when Garrus happened to walk out (he was with me when Harby's laser hit).

[Samurai Wes]

Rifneno wrote...

Samurai Wes wrote...

That's Javik for you.  It's probably true, but remember he hates AI.  He also tells you to throw Legion out the airlock.

!!!  That triangle-headed popsicle freak said what!  BRB, researching whether I'll only be tried for murder or for genocide.

Just stuff him back in his freezer coffin.

[coruptai125]

I really wish someone at Bioware would say anything about this, one way or the other.

[Rifneno]

Ona Demonie wrote...

vrumpt wrote...

I could never get around to confirming when "wake up" happens with the god child. I'd have to play through the final mission 4 times to make sure its not just a paragon/renegade player difference, since apparently everything is calculated from the point at which you head to cerberus HQ.

It does happen with EMS. Low EMS will give you an angry "Why are you here?" while a high EMS will give you a calm, yet commanding "Wake Up". Why with the low EMS? Probably because Harbinger thinks you're not worthy to be on the Citadel if you have such low power.

I imagine it's because with low EMS, you're speaking with Harbinger.  With high EMS, the Reapers don't have full control of the area Shepard's out cold in.  The "wake up" is actually from an allied soldier or crew member and it's coming out of starchild's mouth because... well, that's how things often appear in dreams in fiction.  If someone is saying something to someone that's asleep, they hear it but it's being said by the person in their dream.  Notice that Shepard is already on his hands and knees when the "wake up" happens.  You don't say "wake up" to someone that's already half-way up.

[CheeseJam]

Probably been posted, but just in case it hasn't: http://i1115.photobu...31778596081.png

[wryan2011]

A little tidbit I haven't seen mentioned yet is that right before the final battle you have a paragon response to Vega that says something to the effect of 'don't let the Reapers take your will to fight.' This is not smoking gun evidence by any stretch, but it would be a nice foreshadowing of the indoctrination theory and the three choices in which 'destroy' seems to be the 'perfect' choice presented.