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[thefallen0412]

guys i dont think the theory is true. the tweets from jess stopped being crytic and are now a defense and arguements for the endings. She posted a link to a reddit post that argued why the green color was the best choice. but nowhere in that argument does it state that this is the exact same decision Saren wanted. how could it be a good thing forcing your will onto the galaxy.

@JessicaMerizan don't you think its depressing that people hate the ending so much they grasp onto crazy conspiracies like indoctrination?
@KRUUUNCH no. I've read TONS of the theories and I think they're well researched and interesting. But I also enjoy literary analysis...

@KRUUUNCH It indicates that I enjoy theorizing--I understand some just want a "canon" answer. I don't. My interp. IS the only answer I need.

why would she post this. I could of stopped playing at the first game if I was just going to make up my own ending anyway.....

[LolaLei]

Evil_medved wrote...

But Shep wouldn't be a husk if she/he is alive. If the player picked destroy then Shep refused indoctrination...at least to a certain extent. I don't think Shep is past the point of no return...at least in the Destroy ending.

How about this - no matter the choice you made you can play dlc, but in the end of dlc, if Shep choosen wrong he goes all benezia on us, and his/her LI forced to mercykill him.

That works, if Shepard picked the wrong choice then it would make for a heart breaking scene as well. I can imagine your LI desperately trying to talk Shepard out of his/her indoctrination, begging Shepard not to succumb to the Reapers and leave them all alone again, but all Shepard can do is fight it long enough to tell his/her LI that they'll always love them then make the LI pull the trigger.

[Sajuro]

It leaves me to wonder if the crucible does much besides acting as a giant signal jammer to interrupt the Reaper Hive Mind, and the real advantage of the Crucible, given what the word Crucible means, is that by completing it, it shows that you are able to unify the galaxy against the threat and muster the forces to prove a formidable force against the Reapers.

[kent80082006]

keith123456789 wrote...

nope just this funny ass piture 
http://i4.photobucke...un/bestblue.jpg

hahaha that's a good one

[Icinix]

Sajuro wrote...

It leaves me to wonder if the crucible does much besides acting as a giant signal jammer to interrupt the Reaper Hive Mind, and the real advantage of the Crucible, given what the word Crucible means, is that by completing it, it shows that you are able to unify the galaxy against the threat and muster the forces to prove a formidable force against the Reapers.

This is what I think - it isn't so much a weapon as it is a tool.

Without communication their ground troops and space battles have no co-ordination - it opens the doors of conventional warfare being effective.

[Militarized]

If this theory pans out...

Do you think the developers are in awe at the amount of reaction they've gotten? Heartened that people love their IP so much?

[Icinix]

kent80082006 wrote...

keith123456789 wrote...

nope just this funny ass piture 
http://i4.photobucke...un/bestblue.jpg

hahaha that's a good one

[taviastrife]

I said this earlier....


"You know...if this theory is correct, we never really got to see what the Crucible was capable of. Like what it actually does to the Reapers. Any thoughts on what it would do?

To me, it could be a type of EMP blast that's registered directly to Reaper signatures. Haha, that's probably way off, but you never know~"

[LolaLei]

thefallen0412 wrote...

guys i dont think the theory is true. the tweets from jess stopped being crytic and are now a defense and arguements for the endings. She posted a link to a reddit post that argued why the green color was the best choice. but nowhere in that argument does it state that this is the exact same decision Saren wanted. how could it be a good thing forcing your will onto the galaxy.

@JessicaMerizan don't you think its depressing that people hate the ending so much they grasp onto crazy conspiracies like indoctrination?
@KRUUUNCH no. I've read TONS of the theories and I think they're well researched and interesting. But I also enjoy literary analysis...

@KRUUUNCH It indicates that I enjoy theorizing--I understand some just want a "canon" answer. I don't. My interp. IS the only answer I need.

why would she post this. I could of stopped playing at the first game if I was just going to make up my own ending anyway.....

I think the indoctrination theory is quite a good one. After all, we're only working with what Bioware gave us.

[People4Peace]

thefallen0412 wrote...

guys i dont think the theory is true. the tweets from jess stopped being crytic and are now a defense and arguements for the endings. She posted a link to a reddit post that argued why the green color was the best choice. but nowhere in that argument does it state that this is the exact same decision Saren wanted. how could it be a good thing forcing your will onto the galaxy.

@JessicaMerizan don't you think its depressing that people hate the ending so much they grasp onto crazy conspiracies like indoctrination?
@KRUUUNCH no. I've read TONS of the theories and I think they're well researched and interesting. But I also enjoy literary analysis...

@KRUUUNCH It indicates that I enjoy theorizing--I understand some just want a "canon" answer. I don't. My interp. IS the only answer I need.

why would she post this. I could of stopped playing at the first game if I was just going to make up my own ending anyway.....

Does anyone on here have a twitter account to respond?

[Nazoa]

Icinix wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

It leaves me to wonder if the crucible does much besides acting as a giant signal jammer to interrupt the Reaper Hive Mind, and the real advantage of the Crucible, given what the word Crucible means, is that by completing it, it shows that you are able to unify the galaxy against the threat and muster the forces to prove a formidable force against the Reapers.

This is what I think - it isn't so much a weapon as it is a tool.

Without communication their ground troops and space battles have no co-ordination - it opens the doors of conventional warfare being effective.

A good theory... When the Geth fleet was under Reaper control they were perfectly coordinated. Break apart the Reaper's ability to coordinate, and you'd have a distinctive chance at beating them.

[GovernorTarkin]

Here's an idea for an ending, Keith David(Anderson) tells Harbinger to **** off and the reapers leave.

The End

[taviastrife]

thefallen0412 wrote...

guys i dont think the theory is true. the tweets from jess stopped being crytic and are now a defense and arguements for the endings. She posted a link to a reddit post that argued why the green color was the best choice. but nowhere in that argument does it state that this is the exact same decision Saren wanted. how could it be a good thing forcing your will onto the galaxy.

@JessicaMerizan don't you think its depressing that people hate the ending so much they grasp onto crazy conspiracies like indoctrination?
@KRUUUNCH no. I've read TONS of the theories and I think they're well researched and interesting. But I also enjoy literary analysis...

@KRUUUNCH It indicates that I enjoy theorizing--I understand some just want a "canon" answer. I don't. My interp. IS the only answer I need.

why would she post this. I could of stopped playing at the first game if I was just going to make up my own ending anyway.....

That comment of hers just ticks me off even more about this.  She says that but then will buy into the theorization about the DNA thing?

[Dap Brannigan]

Pyewacket wrote...

Tygur wrote...

smargh1015 wrote...

Nighthunteer wrote...


I put them together for you all!
Well done OP that got them!

what does this mean?

Think too much is being read into this. Of course the beam would look the same, its the same beam. And for the wheels, the number is wrong, its a common design element, and I think its just a stretch.

Actually, you're incorrect.  They are in fact, NOT the same beam.  The beam on the Citadel is caused by the Crucible.  The conduit beam simply transports you up to the Citadel, apparantly.  Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but the beam on the Citadel is very clearly connected to the Crucible.  When you're on Earth the Crucible isn't even hooked up to the Citadel yet.  Therefore?  Not the same beam.

This made me think that it was just another subtle way that Harbinger tried to influence Shepard to choose Synthesis.

Shepard's last conscious thoughts were focused on reaching the Conduit beam.  The similarity of the Synthesis beam is subconsciously hinting to Shepard that it' the goal, that it's the right thing to do -- when really it's a trap.

REACHING?  I don't care, it's fun.

[Kate815]

Dap Brannigan wrote...

Pyewacket wrote...

Tygur wrote...

smargh1015 wrote...

Nighthunteer wrote...


I put them together for you all!
Well done OP that got them!

what does this mean?

Think too much is being read into this. Of course the beam would look the same, its the same beam. And for the wheels, the number is wrong, its a common design element, and I think its just a stretch.

Actually, you're incorrect.  They are in fact, NOT the same beam.  The beam on the Citadel is caused by the Crucible.  The conduit beam simply transports you up to the Citadel, apparantly.  Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but the beam on the Citadel is very clearly connected to the Crucible.  When you're on Earth the Crucible isn't even hooked up to the Citadel yet.  Therefore?  Not the same beam.

This made me think that it was just another subtle way that Harbinger tried to influence Shepard to choose Synthesis.

Shepard's last conscious thoughts were focused on reaching the Conduit beam.  The similarity of the Synthesis beam is subconsciously hinting to Shepard that it' the goal, that it's the right thing to do -- when really it's a trap.

REACHING?  I don't care, it's fun.

on my first try I ran straight towards the beam even though I wanted the Destroy ending. I wasn't even aware that the other choices were off to the side.

[Handren]

This is from another thread. Look at all of these from the official ME twitter!:

True, but consider that the ME twitter feed is also blown up with messages that it isn't over...

User 1: "I still want to believe you guys are sneaky trolls and have something going on you don't tell us yet. Can I get a cryptic reply?" @masseffect: "The sun, it shines. [1] www.youtube.com/watch"[/b]*

User 2: "You are either a massive sadist or a beacon of hope."* @masseffect: "Can't it be both?"[/b]

User 3: "I kinda feel lost after that ending...not what I expected and left me feeling everything done was for nothing." @masseffect: "We know it's a lot to take in! But hang in there. Your decisions matter."[/b]*

User 4: "Are you holding something back, that could quell the large amount of frustration from the community, a tiny hint would be enough."* @masseffect: "Mike Gamble already said on his twitter, if the fans knew what was in store, the reaction would be different."[/b]

User 5: "I loved 98% of ME3..but something has to be up w/ ending..too much talent at BW for that business. Keep my saves?" @masseffect: "We're keeping our saves, that's for sure."[/b]

*User 6: "Fans are people too. Playing with their minds isn't that nice as it may look like to people from Bioware."*@masseffect: "We're not playing with anyone's minds, we are answering what questions we can and recording what feedback we receive."[/b]

User 7: "Its not that the ending was taken in the wrong direction its that it makes NO SENSE. Ashley was on the Normandy? she [was] with me." @masseffect: "Probably a good thing to be cautious of."[/b] *

User 8: "Do y'all have any ETA when more news will be released? Dying for news on a new ending/DLC."*@masseffect: "No ETA yet, but you will be updated via Facebook and Twitter when the news is available ."[/b]And some more:[/b]

*User 1 -Well, i think i'll stop naggin you and trying to get you to talk about the indoctrination theory. Good game though!* Merizan - I want people to make up their own minds right now, then when more people have played we'll talk [/b]

User 2 - then I want to SEE that he was lying. I want to get up and finish the fight with Commander Shepard. Then retire. Merizan - augh. want. to. discuss! Staying spoiler free for now [/b]User 3 - But should've confronted the kid instead. Shep went meekly into the night. Merizan - are you sure he went meekly into the night?
[/b]

This is a list of tweets I[/b] pulled from Reddit.
[/b]

Not IF, WHEN.

GOOD TO BE CAUTIOUS.

There is hope for at least some kind of DLC fix! Hold the Line!

[Space Kookie]

taking the story of the ME Books into account and everything i've read and seen on youtube, this actually seems pretty logical. ME3 was just too good of a game to get a crappy ending like that..

[LolaLei]

Dap Brannigan wrote...

Pyewacket wrote...

Tygur wrote...

smargh1015 wrote...

Nighthunteer wrote...


I put them together for you all!
Well done OP that got them!

what does this mean?

Think too much is being read into this. Of course the beam would look the same, its the same beam. And for the wheels, the number is wrong, its a common design element, and I think its just a stretch.

Actually, you're incorrect.  They are in fact, NOT the same beam.  The beam on the Citadel is caused by the Crucible.  The conduit beam simply transports you up to the Citadel, apparantly.  Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but the beam on the Citadel is very clearly connected to the Crucible.  When you're on Earth the Crucible isn't even hooked up to the Citadel yet.  Therefore?  Not the same beam.

This made me think that it was just another subtle way that Harbinger tried to influence Shepard to choose Synthesis.

Shepard's last conscious thoughts were focused on reaching the Conduit beam.  The similarity of the Synthesis beam is subconsciously hinting to Shepard that it' the goal, that it's the right thing to do -- when really it's a trap.

REACHING?  I don't care, it's fun.

Hell even if we are completely wrong I'm really enjoying all these concepts!

[Flammenpanzer]

squee365 wrote...

Earth? Why would pictures of un-destroyed earth be in ending assets? With the jungle planet even?

In response to that twitter thing...

"The sun, it shines...."

User 1: "I still want to believe you guys are sneaky trolls and have
something going on you don't tell us yet. Can I get a cryptic reply?"
@masseffect: "The sun, it shines. [1] www.youtube.com/watch"[/b]*

Modifié par Flammenpanzer, 15 mars 2012 - 04:41 .

[Rifneno]

I hope that after Shepard breaks out of it, Harbie stays around to chat. And most of all, that renegade response gets to mock him.

Harbinger: How did you break free? No one has ever broken free.
Shepard: <in a mocking reaper voice> It is not a thing you can comprehend.

[Icetea07]

After reading this, if this is all true, maybe, just maybe, the Bioware writers really are the best writers i always believed they were. We'll see. Also, by running through the endings again, they make a heck of alot more sense. Please Bioware, make it happen.

[Debi-Tage]

About Jess's Tweets:
Seriously knew this was coming. I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion but now it is such a genius ending because it's so 'abstract' it can be whatever you want it to be? I don't care if divinci slapped together a pile of dirty diapers and told me it was a cloud formation it does not change the fact that I am still looking at a pile of crap!

[Space Kookie]

LolaLei wrote...

Dap Brannigan wrote...

Pyewacket wrote...

Tygur wrote...

smargh1015 wrote...

Nighthunteer wrote...

I put them together for you all!
Well done OP that got them!

what does this mean?

Think too much is being read into this. Of course the beam would look the same, its the same beam. And for the wheels, the number is wrong, its a common design element, and I think its just a stretch.

Actually, you're incorrect.  They are in fact, NOT the same beam.  The beam on the Citadel is caused by the Crucible.  The conduit beam simply transports you up to the Citadel, apparantly.  Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but the beam on the Citadel is very clearly connected to the Crucible.  When you're on Earth the Crucible isn't even hooked up to the Citadel yet.  Therefore?  Not the same beam.

This made me think that it was just another subtle way that Harbinger tried to influence Shepard to choose Synthesis.

Shepard's last conscious thoughts were focused on reaching the Conduit beam.  The similarity of the Synthesis beam is subconsciously hinting to Shepard that it' the goal, that it's the right thing to do -- when really it's a trap.

REACHING?  I don't care, it's fun.

Hell even if we are completely wrong I'm really enjoying all these concepts!

I bet the Mass Effect writers are reading this and are all like "excellent"

[taviastrife]

Debi-Tage wrote...

About Jess's Tweets:
Seriously knew this was coming. I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion but now it is such a genius ending because it's so 'abstract' it can be whatever you want it to be? I don't care if divinci slapped together a pile of dirty diapers and told me it was a cloud formation it does not change the fact that I am still looking at a pile of crap!

Awesome and true comment!

[thefallen0412]

@JessicaMerizan Heres a good question. If you were one of us and didnt know of any future plans, would you be ok with the ending as it is?
@iammattbagley I had to process it for awhile w/ no one to discuss As a fan, I'll always want more than I'm given, but yes I accepted it.


guys, i think the phase of hoping the indoc theory was true is over...
she has started defending the "real" endings